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« Reply #105 on: March 11, 2006, 07:35:00 PM »
Thirty years ago, hmmmm......a lot can change over the years and usually does at a school like Hyde.  Unfortunately it seems that the issues the school had 30 years ago still exist.  Hyde expects their students to improve and become better members of society, but it seems the administrators at the school don't follow their own teachings.  It's a shame that some of us learn and grow as we age, but Hyde doesn't seem to have raised that bar for themselves.
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« Reply #106 on: March 12, 2006, 08:32:00 AM »
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On 2006-03-09 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:


"This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it.  The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative.  I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde.  Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster.  The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people.  She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).





During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment.  Is that true?  If so, when did that start?  If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year.  Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?"




I was at hyde 30 years ago.  Hyde was not perfect. I was there when Tommy was there.  I can understand why Tommy feels the way he does. Henry could be a real prick.  Having Joe get in your face and scream at you was not theraputic to any degree IMHO. I saw a number of kids fail.  Hyde worked for me. I found an inner strength and an ablity to persever in my experiences there.  I find the rants about how the place completely sucks, fatuious and closed minded. I am sorry if some of the posts I made on this board aid in what seem to be an effort to make trash about hyde google-able.  I know that there is at least one person with whom I went to hyde with that reads this board. I want you to know that I respect your dedication to your belief in Hyde. I offer my appologies if what I have posted here has offended you.

 Hyde had and still has a profound positive effect on my life.  



Sid"


I'm always pleased to hear when students appreciate their experience at a school and can see how it affected their lives.  I'm happy for you, Sid.

But . . . please understand that many of us had horrible experiences at Hyde.  In a school with such a diverse student body, it's inevitable that some people are going to have a good experience.  At Hyde, however, there's clear, substantial, and compelling evidence that many students and their parents have terrible experiences.  A lot depends on when you were there, who happened to be on staff then, what kinds of students Hyde accepted then, etc.  The many comments from people on this board show over and over again that many of us were deeply scarred by the mistreatment and emotional chaos at Hyde.  I'm a more recent Hyde veteran; your experience was 30 years ago.  My impression is that the school is very different now.  Probably because of competition in the boarding school marketplace, Hyde now accepts lots of students with major psychiatric and drug/alcohol problems.  The evidence is overwhelming that Hyde isn't equipped to deal with or help many of these students.  Hyde's model just doesn't work for many of these students, despite all of the Gauld (etc.) rhetoric and slick marketing that says that "character education" works for nearly everyone.  Hyde is trying to survive as a school by reinventing itself.  There's no question about that.  It's trying to fit a square peg (Joe Gauld's "character education" mission) into a round hole (the many students Hyde accepts who need something very different from what Hyde offers).  It may work for some, but it definitely doesn't work for many others.  I think that's why Hyde's attrition rate is so unusually high and why so many people leave in disgust.  You don't need to be a genius to figure this out.  The underground at Hyde says that administrators are very, very worried about enrollments and competition, and the school's controversial and ambiguous identity and reputation.  Hyde knows it's in trouble and is working hard to market itself to the masses.

At the very least Hyde should narrow its focus and limit itself to the very small number of students who are appropriate for the Hyde model.  That probably means shrinking to a mere fraction of its current size.  Sadly, to feed itself Hyde has chosen to accept so many students who don't belong there.  That's part of the Hyde tragedy.  The other part is Hyde staff's arrogant assumption that it can turn around everyone who walks through the door (and if you resist or question Hyde there will likely be some staff person who belittles you, shames you, and tries to convince you that the apple didn't fall far from the tree, blah, blah, blah).  Hyde would do well to practice what it preaches and examine the truth about itself, even if that leads to some disharmony.
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« Reply #107 on: March 12, 2006, 12:29:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-10 20:19:00, Anonymous wrote:


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"This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it.  The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative.  I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde.  Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster.  The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people.  She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).







During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment.  Is that true?  If so, when did that start?  If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year.  Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?"







I was at hyde 30 years ago.  Hyde was not perfect. I was there when Tommy was there.  I can understand why Tommy feels the way he does. Henry could be a real prick.  Having Joe get in your face and scream at you was not theraputic to any degree IMHO. I saw a number of kids fail.  Hyde worked for me. I found an inner strength and an ablity to persever in my experiences there.  I find the rants about how the place completely sucks, fatuious and closed minded. I am sorry if some of the posts I made on this board aid in what seem to be an effort to make trash about hyde google-able.  I know that there is at least one person with whom I went to hyde with that reads this board. I want you to know that I respect your dedication to your belief in Hyde. I offer my appologies if what I have posted here has offended you.


 Hyde had and still has a profound positive effect on my life.  





Sid"




I'm always pleased to hear when students appreciate their experience at a school and can see how it affected their lives.  I'm happy for you, Sid.



But . . . please understand that many of us had horrible experiences at Hyde.  In a school with such a diverse student body, it's inevitable that some people are going to have a good experience.  At Hyde, however, there's clear, substantial, and compelling evidence that many students and their parents have terrible experiences.  A lot depends on when you were there, who happened to be on staff then, what kinds of students Hyde accepted then, etc.  The many comments from people on this board show over and over again that many of us were deeply scarred by the mistreatment and emotional chaos at Hyde.  I'm a more recent Hyde veteran; your experience was 30 years ago.  My impression is that the school is very different now.  Probably because of competition in the boarding school marketplace, Hyde now accepts lots of students with major psychiatric and drug/alcohol problems.  The evidence is overwhelming that Hyde isn't equipped to deal with or help many of these students.  Hyde's model just doesn't work for many of these students, despite all of the Gauld (etc.) rhetoric and slick marketing that says that "character education" works for nearly everyone.  Hyde is trying to survive as a school by reinventing itself.  There's no question about that.  It's trying to fit a square peg (Joe Gauld's "character education" mission) into a round hole (the many students Hyde accepts who need something very different from what Hyde offers).  It may work for some, but it definitely doesn't work for many others.  I think that's why Hyde's attrition rate is so unusually high and why so many people leave in disgust.  You don't need to be a genius to figure this out.  The underground at Hyde says that administrators are very, very worried about enrollments and competition, and the school's controversial and ambiguous identity and reputation.  Hyde knows it's in trouble and is working hard to market itself to the masses.



At the very least Hyde should narrow its focus and limit itself to the very small number of students who are appropriate for the Hyde model.  That probably means shrinking to a mere fraction of its current size.  Sadly, to feed itself Hyde has chosen to accept so many students who don't belong there.  That's part of the Hyde tragedy.  The other part is Hyde staff's arrogant assumption that it can turn around everyone who walks through the door (and if you resist or question Hyde there will likely be some staff person who belittles you, shames you, and tries to convince you that the apple didn't fall far from the tree, blah, blah, blah).  Hyde would do well to practice what it preaches and examine the truth about itself, even if that leads to some disharmony."


 Hey people puke on roller coasters, it does not mean roller coasters are bad.  Sonny Bono skied into a tree and died. I went skiing yesterday.  About 8% of the mortallity in the US is due to auto accidents.  I drive all the time.  All I am saying is just because you had a bad time does not invalidate the experiance or make it on the whole negative. Are there thing wrong? I am sure there are. Man is imperfect and so are all his works.  At least there are a bunch of folk who in thier own imperfect way are tring to be part of the solution rather then the problem. All you folk are doing is whining.
My apology went out because I was searching for some one to relate and share my feeling abut my experiances with. Instead I believe I aided (based on the similarty of the prose style of many of the postings here) two or three people that have a woodie for hyde.



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« Reply #108 on: March 12, 2006, 04:29:00 PM »
If you read through all the posts on this website I believe you will come to the same conclusion as me.  There are far more than "a few" people posting.

I like seeing various opinions about Hyde and feel that you have a lot to add. While at Hyde I did not get the impression that these Hyde Lifers were trying to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem as you say.  I do believe that many of the young staff who have come on board recently do so with the best intentions but as the attrition rate shows, these staffers get out of Hyde in record as quickly as possible.  This leaves the "Lifers" who might in their sick mind think they are changing the world, but isn't this so about all the leaders of Cults including Jim Jones?

We can certainly agree to disagree, but I will continue to post what I think are helpful comments for potential families.

They say that time heals all wounds and I am sure that when 30 years passes for me I might feel like you in that it wasn't so bad.  Time will tell.
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« Reply #109 on: March 12, 2006, 04:56:00 PM »
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"If you read through all the posts on this website I believe you will come to the same conclusion as me.  There are far more than "a few" people posting.



I like seeing various opinions about Hyde and feel that you have a lot to add. While at Hyde I did not get the impression that these Hyde Lifers were trying to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem as you say.  I do believe that many of the young staff who have come on board recently do so with the best intentions but as the attrition rate shows, these staffers get out of Hyde in record as quickly as possible.  This leaves the "Lifers" who might in their sick mind think they are changing the world, but isn't this so about all the leaders of Cults including Jim Jones?



We can certainly agree to disagree, but I will continue to post what I think are helpful comments for potential families.



They say that time heals all wounds and I am sure that when 30 years passes for me I might feel like you in that it wasn't so bad.  Time will tell."


Let me add my voice to the chorus of people who had a very bad experience at Hyde.  Sid, you may think there are just a few of us out here.  Believe me, it's a lot more than a few.  A lot more.  I'm reading many points on this board that sound a lot like what's been stirred up in me for a long time.  When I was at Hyde I saw that it helped some of the kids, but they were in the minority.  Most of what I saw at Hyde was similar to what quite a few people here are talking about,  with too many inexperienced staff who hadn't quite figured out their own lives trying to supervise a lot of very troubled students.  Yes, I saw some good staff too, but believe me there's a lot at Hyde this isn't healthy.  And I'm not sure watching Joe Gauld lose it and go after students and parents is exactly the best way to learn how to be a human being.
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« Reply #110 on: March 12, 2006, 08:20:00 PM »
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"If you read through all the posts on this website I believe you will come to the same conclusion as me.  There are far more than "a few" people posting.



I like seeing various opinions about Hyde and feel that you have a lot to add. While at Hyde I did not get the impression that these Hyde Lifers were trying to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem as you say.  I do believe that many of the young staff who have come on board recently do so with the best intentions but as the attrition rate shows, these staffers get out of Hyde in record as quickly as possible.  This leaves the "Lifers" who might in their sick mind think they are changing the world, but isn't this so about all the leaders of Cults including Jim Jones?



We can certainly agree to disagree, but I will continue to post what I think are helpful comments for potential families.



They say that time heals all wounds and I am sure that when 30 years passes for me I might feel like you in that it wasn't so bad.  Time will tell."


 It is a stretch for Jim Jones to Joe Gauld.  Jim gave us the wonderful phase "drink the kool-aid" but so did Ken Kesey.
 Joe is closer to Ken and the Hydites closer to the Merry Pranksters.  If you don't want to be on the bus you get off.  The retirement plan from the Peoples Temple was not like leaving hyde. If you don't like it walk a couple of blocks up High street walk down the ramp on to route 1 and stick your thumb out.  I did it. No one tried to stop me. No one was afraid I was going to reveil a dark secret.  So your analogy is way off. I like mine better:

  Joe Gauld <=>  Ken Kesey

The electric kool-aid hyde test.  Can you pass the test?  Apperently not.

Cyd Charisse

BTW Ken has a nasty temper too.
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« Reply #111 on: March 12, 2006, 08:51:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-10 20:19:00, Anonymous wrote:


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"This week I had a conversation with a parent who heard about Hyde and wanted some feedback about it.  The parent had heard very mixed things about Hyde, mostly negative.  I shared our family's experience and encouraged the parent to look for alternatives to Hyde.  Based on the parent's description of the child's needs and mental health issues, I think Hyde would be a disaster.  The parent said that my feedback was consistent with what she had heard from a number other people.  She's now looking for other schools to pursue (with the advice of an educational consultant).







During the conversation the parent said that Hyde now expects parents to make a two-year commitment.  Is that true?  If so, when did that start?  If it's true, I guess Hyde says it is doing this because it doesn't think it can have an impact in just one year.  Or, is this merely Hyde's thinly disguised ploy to lock in 2 years' worth of tuition and fees and a way to combat the high attrition rate?"







I was at hyde 30 years ago.  Hyde was not perfect. I was there when Tommy was there.  I can understand why Tommy feels the way he does. Henry could be a real prick.  Having Joe get in your face and scream at you was not theraputic to any degree IMHO. I saw a number of kids fail.  Hyde worked for me. I found an inner strength and an ablity to persever in my experiences there.  I find the rants about how the place completely sucks, fatuious and closed minded. I am sorry if some of the posts I made on this board aid in what seem to be an effort to make trash about hyde google-able.  I know that there is at least one person with whom I went to hyde with that reads this board. I want you to know that I respect your dedication to your belief in Hyde. I offer my appologies if what I have posted here has offended you.


 Hyde had and still has a profound positive effect on my life.  





Sid"




I'm always pleased to hear when students appreciate their experience at a school and can see how it affected their lives.  I'm happy for you, Sid.



But . . . please understand that many of us had horrible experiences at Hyde.  In a school with such a diverse student body, it's inevitable that some people are going to have a good experience.  At Hyde, however, there's clear, substantial, and compelling evidence that many students and their parents have terrible experiences.  A lot depends on when you were there, who happened to be on staff then, what kinds of students Hyde accepted then, etc.  The many comments from people on this board show over and over again that many of us were deeply scarred by the mistreatment and emotional chaos at Hyde.  I'm a more recent Hyde veteran; your experience was 30 years ago.  My impression is that the school is very different now.  Probably because of competition in the boarding school marketplace, Hyde now accepts lots of students with major psychiatric and drug/alcohol problems.  The evidence is overwhelming that Hyde isn't equipped to deal with or help many of these students.  Hyde's model just doesn't work for many of these students, despite all of the Gauld (etc.) rhetoric and slick marketing that says that "character education" works for nearly everyone.  Hyde is trying to survive as a school by reinventing itself.  There's no question about that.  It's trying to fit a square peg (Joe Gauld's "character education" mission) into a round hole (the many students Hyde accepts who need something very different from what Hyde offers).  It may work for some, but it definitely doesn't work for many others.  I think that's why Hyde's attrition rate is so unusually high and why so many people leave in disgust.  You don't need to be a genius to figure this out.  The underground at Hyde says that administrators are very, very worried about enrollments and competition, and the school's controversial and ambiguous identity and reputation.  Hyde knows it's in trouble and is working hard to market itself to the masses.



At the very least Hyde should narrow its focus and limit itself to the very small number of students who are appropriate for the Hyde model.  That probably means shrinking to a mere fraction of its current size.  Sadly, to feed itself Hyde has chosen to accept so many students who don't belong there.  That's part of the Hyde tragedy.  The other part is Hyde staff's arrogant assumption that it can turn around everyone who walks through the door (and if you resist or question Hyde there will likely be some staff person who belittles you, shames you, and tries to convince you that the apple didn't fall far from the tree, blah, blah, blah).  Hyde would do well to practice what it preaches and examine the truth about itself, even if that leads to some disharmony."


 Actually it the other way around.  Hyde used to accept wacked out clinically certified metal cases with substance abuse problems.  They don't any more, which really pisses me off.  I think kids like me should have a chance to go to Hyde.

 Man, some one belittled you? What are you?  Some arrogant upper class kid with an attitude as big and boring as nebraska. And some one was mean to you! Poor baby. And mom and Dad shelled out big buck just to get you out of thier hair. They dropped a wad of large Joe's feet so they would could get you out of the plush suburban MacMansion. Think about that. How did you get to hyde?  I bet it wasn't because you fucked up your Eagle Scout Project or sang out of key in the church choir. I am shocked, shocked to hear that the unskilled staff did not give you your props. I got some firewood for you to move.

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« Reply #112 on: March 12, 2006, 10:11:00 PM »
Sid, I like your style.

Who are you and when did you go to hyde?


Stephen Long '81
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« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2006, 10:29:00 AM »
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"Sid, I like your style.



Who are you and when did you go to hyde?





Stephen Long '81

stephenl@sover.net"


By Geezum Stephen, I see you are a Vermontah. I will drop you a line. BTW I really do have firewood to move.  If any of you alums on the list need an attitude adjustment you can come on up to God's county and help me stack next years supply.

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« Reply #114 on: March 13, 2006, 09:55:00 PM »
I have plenty of firewood out under the apple tree if anyone wants to come move it for me....I got my fill of moving woodpiles and raking the front yard of the mansion back in the day!
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« Reply #115 on: March 15, 2006, 07:31:00 PM »
This week we received a telephone call from parents who are trying to find an appropriate boarding school for their child.  The mom explained to us that she "Googled" Hyde and found this website.  She said that she and her husband had heard some very negative things about Hyde, but that finding this website and reading many of the postings REALLY scared them.  They said they can't imagine sending their child to a school like Hyde, in light of all of the negative reports here.  She said the positive comments were overshadowed by the many thoughtful criticisms.  She also said their educational consultant doesn't recommend Hyde any longer.  

Anyway, they're looking for suggestions.  What other schools have people had good experiences with (their child is beginning to hang with the wrong crowd, is showing some signs of defiance, but isn't out of control)?

Thanks for your help.
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« Reply #116 on: March 15, 2006, 10:09:00 PM »
I would tell Mom to take this website with a grain of salt. It just a bunch of whiners that couldn't hack Hyde, posting again and again citing unnamed "educational consultants" that advise against sending children to Hyde because big ol scary Joe is  going to vituperate at them and give them low self esteem. Then when ever any one says "Hyde actually helped me" we hear the same tired old turgid riff, like the opening guitar line to freebird, "we are glad that you had a good time but many of us did not,"  as if there are really a bunch of you and you all repeat the same lines and the same word almost like you are part of a Cult.  That is it! This is the Anti Hyde Cult Web Site.

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« Reply #117 on: March 15, 2006, 10:17:00 PM »
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"I would tell Mom to take this website with a grain of salt. It just a bunch of whiners that couldn't hack Hyde, posting again and again citing unnamed "educational consultants" that advise against sending children to Hyde because big ol scary Joe is  going to vituperate at them and give them low self esteem. Then when ever any one says "Hyde actually helped me" we hear the same tired old turgid riff, like the opening guitar line to freebird, "we are glad that you had a good time but many of us did not,"  as if there are really a bunch of you and you all repeat the same lines and the same word almost like you are part of a Cult.  That is it! This is the Anti Hyde Cult Web Site.



guess who is coming to dinner



Sydney Poitier"


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« Reply #118 on: March 16, 2006, 11:42:00 AM »
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On 2006-03-15 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:


"I would tell Mom to take this website with a grain of salt. It just a bunch of whiners that couldn't hack Hyde, posting again and again citing unnamed "educational consultants" that advise against sending children to Hyde because big ol scary Joe is  going to vituperate at them and give them low self esteem. Then when ever any one says "Hyde actually helped me" we hear the same tired old turgid riff, like the opening guitar line to freebird, "we are glad that you had a good time but many of us did not,"  as if there are really a bunch of you and you all repeat the same lines and the same word almost like you are part of a Cult.  That is it! This is the Anti Hyde Cult Web Site.





guess who is coming to dinner





Sydney Poitier"




and

consider the lilies of the field ...

Amen



Sydney Poitier"


Dear Sidney Portier
So you think I am a whiner because my experience at Hyde was bad for me.   Of course I am one of many people posting on this board so I can only speak for myself.  I think you are assuming that everyone posting here could not handle Hyde.  This was not true in my case. Hyde is a piece of cake especially the non existant education. I handled Hyde fine, got through without any problems, graduated, but hate that place and how they manipulate, demean, and shame families and kids alike.  I don't know when you went to Hyde, but the Hyde of the 90's and 2000's is a bad place that has turned into nothing but a business to financially benefit the Gauld family.  Of course there are still those Hyde families who hang onto it just like some people go to AA and NA meetings all their lives.  You will find that most of the HAPA, (parent assoc) families have something terribly wrong with them in one way or another.  

To me the most relevant proof that Hyde doesn't work is the few faculty members who have been there for years, (mostly family of the Gaulds) and are still struggling with the same things they have struggled with for 25-30 years.  Good God, you would think by now with all the so called self help they would be over it!

Call it whining if you want, I call this website an honest look at what Hyde is all about.
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« Reply #119 on: March 16, 2006, 12:28:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-15 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:



"I would tell Mom to take this website with a grain of salt. It just a bunch of whiners that couldn't hack Hyde, posting again and again citing unnamed "educational consultants" that advise against sending children to Hyde because big ol scary Joe is  going to vituperate at them and give them low self esteem. Then when ever any one says "Hyde actually helped me" we hear the same tired old turgid riff, like the opening guitar line to freebird, "we are glad that you had a good time but many of us did not,"  as if there are really a bunch of you and you all repeat the same lines and the same word almost like you are part of a Cult.  That is it! This is the Anti Hyde Cult Web Site.







guess who is coming to dinner







Sydney Poitier"







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consider the lilies of the field ...


Amen





Sydney Poitier"




Dear Sidney Portier

So you think I am a whiner because my experience at Hyde was bad for me.   Of course I am one of many people posting on this board so I can only speak for myself.  I think you are assuming that everyone posting here could not handle Hyde.  This was not true in my case. Hyde is a piece of cake especially the non existant education. I handled Hyde fine, got through without any problems, graduated, but hate that place and how they manipulate, demean, and shame families and kids alike.  I don't know when you went to Hyde, but the Hyde of the 90's and 2000's is a bad place that has turned into nothing but a business to financially benefit the Gauld family.  Of course there are still those Hyde families who hang onto it just like some people go to AA and NA meetings all their lives.  You will find that most of the HAPA, (parent assoc) families have something terribly wrong with them in one way or another.  



To me the most relevant proof that Hyde doesn't work is the few faculty members who have been there for years, (mostly family of the Gaulds) and are still struggling with the same things they have struggled with for 25-30 years.  Good God, you would think by now with all the so called self help they would be over it!



Call it whining if you want, I call this website an honest look at what Hyde is all about."


hi,

>So you think I am a whiner

No I don't. I think you have a right to speak about your experience.  Most people have something wrong with them, HAPA may be self selected to the edge of the spectrum with more problems. You are probably mnot talking about the parents of Eagle Scouts or National Merit Scholors and it is true that the apple does not fall far from the tree. It does roll some times though, or at least that is the only explaination I have for how well my kids have turned out.

I can't speak to the present dynamics in Bath and I could not find Woodstock Conn without a map. All I can say is that it worked for me when I was there.  What I would like to see is the folks on this list leave that statement be with out picking it up and saying: "We are glad it worked for you but .."  My experiance is just as valid as yours even though it is diametrically different.  



  Sidney Sheldon
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