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« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2005, 01:26:00 PM »
I'd like for you to stay. You are however an admitted overseer of my stay there. I was frozen on Day Zero all that time, I have suffered for many years, So don't get frustrated with me when I need to tell a staff person what was happening to me. FINALLY, I get to tell someone! I get to tell someone to wake the hell up and take me off those consquences and let me go home! So when I need to say that stuff, don't get upset and run away and leave me behind once again. Atleast stay and listen to us and maybe we can all find a way to process the past there.

However the forum and discussions here can become very overwhelming, so breaks from posting are expected. But don't leave us behind. Face us and hear what we have to say. I know you were in the program also, and I do realize you were doing what you were told and what you were taught. But that, for me doesn't explain why you stood by and allowed it. I do realize, until now maybe you didn't know how you particiated in the abuse that was happening. I hope this serves as a wake up call, that your reality is not the same as everyones. Man, didn't you realize there was something very wrong and twisted when Giles would slam his head into that front wall? Gawd, I still hear that sound and see the blood.

Funny how a couple of the staff who attempted to comfort me are dead or in jail, sad in a way. As far as L.D. goes I heard and have no remorse except for her family, but I am gratful she can no longer destroy children like she did to me. When I think of sittting there, She and Leslie M. (and those giant abusive girls in group, who always slammed me to the floor) are who I think of first as the most abusive directly to me. I also think of Jason, I owe him a letter to let him know of his impact on me, I wish I knew how to write a letter to him. The times he'd sit with me in the back of group and try to tell me "this was but a tick of time on the watch of time" and someday I'd get out meant alot. It didn't fix it, but he was probably  the only person in there who attempted to give me some kind of hope. He deserves to know.


I'd like to know who you are so I can process my memories of your specific impact on me. The memories might be comforting or they may be destructive, either way, it could give us both a new perspective. I'm not a violent person, but when it comes to that place I am full of rage toward those who stood by and didn't protect me as another human soul. So you know how to PM me, please do. This a place for all of us to find a common ground, sometimes that process is not pretty. I also just happened upon this information last year and it floored me....So much so I had to leave the forum for many months due to the traumatic impact the memories brought forward.

I'd also like to hear the answers to those questions, we have so many questions. There is so much we still don't understand about how it all worked. What went on behind that secret door in the back of group, was there any plan of treatment? I can attest to having no treatment whatsoever. All I got was horrific abuse.You can choose to help us learn. I hope you take the chance to tell your story. I hope you try to help us understand what allowed you to carry the torch of torture for those monsters who payed you to enforce the abuse. And if you were on staff, you had a choice to protect the children or enforce the abuse, which did you choose? Obviously to me, since you were my staff, you choose to carry the torch. You chose to not see how damaging day zero was for me. Maybe you couldn't see then, but it's been 20 yrs, listen to me.... it was devastating.
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« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2005, 01:41:00 PM »
Wow, now I am seeing the faces of those who laughed at me and called me names, stood me up to confront me for sitting on my hands... You are one of those faces, so you know. That doesn't mean I hate you, but it does prove to me you participated. See, me, I didn't particpate. I can stand up in the world and shout that and know it to be true. I don't think I'm better than anyone, but I sure am glad I don't have that to deal with, searching myself for those answers of why I let it be... Why I stood by and let it all happen.
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« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2005, 01:54:00 PM »
W- You have to prove to me that you are who you say you are.  Who was the other oldcomer at the house the night I split.  Do you have any siblings ??  What town was your parents host-home in ??
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« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2005, 03:28:00 PM »
I will answer as much as i can, and i will come back to this site regularly. some of the questions that have been asked i just dont know the answer to. sometimes it was so unorganized that there just are not any answers. pirate, i answered your question on a private message.
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« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2005, 03:41:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-09 09:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-12-08 11:38:00, Carmel wrote:


"In reality we were all contributing to what happened there whether we were staff or clients.  



Just by the fact that I complied with having to hold people down because I would be considered dishonest otherwise makes me a culprit in some ways.  

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Carmel, you idiot, you were a child. This guy was PAID STAFF. He loved Straight so much he stuck around to keep it going! He came back when they closed it to collect memorabilia and have one last pretend rap. "


Look man, I am not blind or an idiot.  I understand exactly what this person is, and what they did and what they stand for. It wasnt too long ago that my own boogey-staff came around here and I had to let them know what they did to me and how it effected me.  I am not trying to rally around the friggin staff member and pretend to be back in the good old days, I think thats made really clear in what I have said before.  

It DOES take alot of balls to simmer down and confront how you feel about someone in this persons position.  Calling them a faggot and a liar  and so forth is fine, but its far from unique or progressive....and frankly, isnt doing much for anyone on this thread except you.  Whats wrong with trying to get some answers?  Whats wrong with trying to understand?  What else exactly, are we supposed to do in this life?  Get "youre a dick" tatooed on our foreheads and then sew our mouths shut?

If Pirate wants to move forward, then far be it from any of us to hinder him.  I vote for getting on with it.
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« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2005, 04:15:00 PM »
Yes, Carmel. I would like to move forward also.

I do understand how it must feel for W. to come here and have to see what I type. I am hoping that by finally being able to tell someone, (who had some resposibility over the abuse), how it effected me, I can retrieve that silenced part of me still stuck in the insanity that was Straight. And in all fairness he did ask. I am not angry at this staff perosn specifically, but find it a great relief to be able to speak about it and ask how it happened. If that is rallying around a staff member trying to get called on, so be it. Remember, Anon poster, I was never called on to just talk, it was always confrontation which led to restraint. This is the cycle I would like to see broken in my life. I can no longer sit on my hands, silent. I can however say what I need to and move forward and allow this person their own experience, even if it directly conflicts my own.

I don't need to hate anyone but the people who put us all in this situation in the first place. There are actual people who are directly responsible, W. isn't exactly one of them. He was just another pawn in the hands of criminals, Guilty of following and perpetuating an inertia that had already been moving long before he ever arrived. So I do think it took him a great deal of courage to even ask...What our experience was. Mine was devastating as you all know/have read. I have a right to stand up and be heard by someone who ripped at my soul. I'm looking only to be free of the silence. Day Zero(and all it encompasses) for 6.5 months destroyed/distorted so many parts of my on-going life. Maybe hearing us will give him some insight of how he can better stand up for humanity from now on. Maybe he can see how what he does to people can effect them forever and choose to make a better choice next time.
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« Reply #96 on: December 09, 2005, 04:27:00 PM »
OK W. I believe it is actually you.  I have more to discuss with you but not right now.  I'll have to come back to this in a bit.
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« Reply #97 on: December 09, 2005, 04:49:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-08 20:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"i am pretty awake where i am now. what time is it where you are? i am angry at straight stuff in my life now, you are angry at straight stuff in your life, and you are angry at me??? would you like some fries with that?"


He said it, not me.
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« Reply #98 on: December 09, 2005, 04:51:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-08 21:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you keep seeming to fuck up the quotes. people say what they mean and know...especially on these sites. i respect your anger but cannot condone your crappy quotting skills. be honest with what people have said and escalate conversational where-with-all or take your marbles and run home."


He said it, not me.
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« Reply #99 on: December 09, 2005, 05:16:00 PM »
He is comming to a realization that may be tough to face. I will give this person the benefit of the doubt until the shock wears off and he proves he is against people who are against Straight and what it stands for.
I'd bet he didn't even realize we were out here, still suffering.
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« Reply #100 on: December 09, 2005, 05:18:00 PM »
Well, that's pretty much my attitude too.
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« Reply #101 on: December 09, 2005, 05:31:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-09 10:17:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

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On 2005-12-09 09:51:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-12-09 08:46:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:



"God dude, I don't want you to go away.  Please stick around so we can get down to some understanding.  I know that you were brainwashed by straight.  There were things I wanted to say to you way back when but I had no voice at the time.  Fuck.  You have every right to be on this board.  You have survived Str8 too.  You were my oldcomer until i escaped from your house that very dark night.  







It's like I want to be angry at you because in a way you represent that faceless institution to me. Aww... FUCK!







Do you remember how you confronted me when they brought me back into group ??"







How can you still be such a sucker? Did you want to hug all the child abusers that fucked you over? Fuckin get some balls already. God damn."




Fuck you. I am dealin' with this cat the way I see fit.  "


Funny how you can be like that to a random anonymous poster on a message board, but you can't cut to the chase with this other guy who actually abused you.
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« Reply #102 on: December 09, 2005, 05:31:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-09 14:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"He is comming to a realization that may be tough to face. I will give this person the benefit of the doubt until the shock wears off and he proves he is against people who are against Straight and what it stands for.

I'd bet he didn't even realize we were out here, still suffering. "


Typical.
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« Reply #103 on: December 09, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-08 09:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

Having been a staff member, I do not feel i owe anybody an apology, but would love to hear more from people about life experiences that they feel are outside of the norm due to the common time we shared together at "the warehouse".


Such arrogance!  :flame:

Coming to a survivors forum with such a contemptious (is that a word) attitude and wanting to have a nice chat of how our lives where out side of the norm due to common time we shared.

I graduated/finished/7th stepped/completed the program and I would never consider poo-pooing those who did not. :flame: Who the fuck do you think you are?

And you think that Straight was/is the "freest place" we have ever found...I would love to hear your explaination for that!!! Explain that now then explain it 3-4 weeks from now after you have had a chance to go thru these pages.

Have a seat...shut the fuck up and read!
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« Reply #104 on: December 09, 2005, 05:48:00 PM »
He did make a few apologies already. Even after he said he didn't feel he needed to.
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