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« Reply #1245 on: April 21, 2006, 06:42:00 PM »
You'll probably never know, 'cause if he has returned to any of his old ways and isn't the wonderful, but misunderstood boy his girlfriend painted him to be, she and her mother will never come back here telling you.  And....the aunts, if ready to move on and get back to life without turmoil, won't want to come back and tell you either, even it would be an "I told you so!"
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« Reply #1246 on: April 21, 2006, 08:29:00 PM »
this was posted at myspace

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I was at Morava Academy in 1998 until the Czech Government shut in down and we were all shipped to either Spring Creek or Carolina Springs. I went to Spring Creek. I'm mostly interested in other people from Morava and am in touch with several of them. It was way better than SCL.


Didn't the czech govt. shut it down for abuse allegations? And she says SCL was worse ... why won't the US govt. act? Mexico and Jamaica and Czech republic all have... makes you wonder.
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« Reply #1247 on: April 22, 2006, 11:24:00 AM »
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I was at Morava Academy in 1998 until the Czech Government shut in down and we were all shipped to either Spring Creek or Carolina Springs. I went to Spring Creek. I'm mostly interested in other people from Morava and am in touch with several of them. It was way better than SCL.



Didn't the czech govt. shut it down for abuse allegations? And she says SCL was worse ... why won't the US govt. act? Mexico and Jamaica and Czech republic all have... makes you wonder."


It has to do with constitutional rights and due process. Here, you don't get to shut a place down for "allegations." Remember, an allegation just means someone said it happened. In the US, you have to substantiate the abuse. That's the way it should be.

Read "Come Back" by mother and daughter (Fontaine, I think) who were there at Morava. The staff were all cleared of abuse, and the cop who shut them down (and whose staff abused the kids during the raid and afterward) was arrested later for falsifying evidence. There's also a long account of SCL.
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« Reply #1248 on: April 22, 2006, 11:30:00 AM »
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In the US, you have to substantiate the abuse. That's the way it should be.


Of course you want it to stay that way, so you can abuse kids out of the eye of the public, and pretend it doesn't happen. All so you can add to your already huge pile of cash. Yes, we know your methods and why you so desperately want to keep them status quo. WWASPS is just like an abusive parent, and the programmies are like the kid's teacher who still believes the kid's constant bruising is from random accidents and other lame excuses.  :roll:
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« Reply #1249 on: April 22, 2006, 11:35:00 AM »
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Read "Come Back" by mother and daughter (Fontaine, I think) who were there at Morava. The staff were all cleared of abuse, and the cop who shut them down (and whose staff abused the kids during the raid and afterward) was arrested later for falsifying evidence. There's also a long account of SCL."


Glenda & Steve Roach weren't cleared of abuse when they ran Sunrise Beach and it was shut down by the government, and then WWASP gave them Morava, and it happened all over again.  

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« Reply #1250 on: April 22, 2006, 11:40:00 AM »
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Here, you don't get to shut a place down for "allegations." Remember, an allegation just means someone said it happened. In the US, you have to substantiate the abuse. That's the way it should be.


An allegation is substantiated by investigating. Why do you suppose that WWASPS donates MILLIONS of dollars to the political party in power? Why do you think John Ashcroft declined to investigate the allegations? Of course they will remain allegations if everyone refuses to investigate!! That is why they reside in states like Montana, Utah, Nevada -- the least regulated states of all. Surprise, surprise. Mexican authorities invesitaged and shut down Casa which was horribly abusive. WWASPS pays the US authorities to ignore what so many people are saying, they abuse kids!!
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« Reply #1251 on: April 22, 2006, 06:51:00 PM »
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Here, you don't get to shut a place down for "allegations." Remember, an allegation just means someone said it happened. In the US, you have to substantiate the abuse. That's the way it should be.



An allegation is substantiated by investigating. Why do you suppose that WWASPS donates MILLIONS of dollars to the political party in power? Why do you think John Ashcroft declined to investigate the allegations? Of course they will remain allegations if everyone refuses to investigate!! That is why they reside in states like Montana, Utah, Nevada -- the least regulated states of all. Surprise, surprise. Mexican authorities invesitaged and shut down Casa which was horribly abusive. WWASPS pays the US authorities to ignore what so many people are saying, they abuse kids!!"



Surely you aren't trying to claim they have never been investigated? You can access the numbers on that in the states' websites. The charges don't get proven because most are not true.

The irony? Ranting and raving like yours helps  keep the welfare folks from getting to genuine abuse cases because they're chasing around after false claims. That's Tragic.

Maybe we should have the Mexican authorities (with their sterling record of corruption-free law enforcement and internationally acclaimed human rights) lend a hand. Remember, they shut down five schools (one WWASP and four others), even though no charges were ever substantiated at any of them.

Here's a thought: Check out the facilities in those states that ARE highly regulated, by the health and welfare folks. Look at the slew of substantiated charges of abuse, the incidence of injuries (students and staff) and the number of deaths. Then talk about the wonders of regulation.
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« Reply #1252 on: April 22, 2006, 09:12:00 PM »
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Then talk about the wonders of regulation.


Why does an organization supposively dedicated to helping teens donating MILLIONS of dollars to political parties who decide what type of regulation and investigation is done? Here's a hint: the one you shill for.
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« Reply #1253 on: April 22, 2006, 09:14:00 PM »
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The charges don't get proven because most are not true.


No it's because they have paid brainwashed people like you to pretend everything is okay, while you abuse kids in the shadows when nobody is looking. You should be very proud of yourself.
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« Reply #1254 on: April 22, 2006, 09:15:00 PM »
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Remember, they shut down five schools (one WWASP and four others), even though no charges were ever substantiated at any of them.


You are actually claiming Casa by the Sea was not abusive? Wow-- so you don't consider locking kids in dog cages abusive? Making them lay on cement floor for days? I would hate to be your kid. You are a paid liar obviously, and a poor one at that.
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« Reply #1255 on: April 22, 2006, 09:22:00 PM »
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Maybe we should have the Mexican authorities (with their sterling record of corruption-free law enforcement and internationally acclaimed human rights) lend a hand. Remember, they shut down five schools (one WWASP and four others), even though no charges were ever substantiated at any of them.


Yes, bring in the mexican authorities, who are yet uncorrupted by the blood money of WWASPS. I completely agree, bring in anyone who is willing to not look the other way for cash. Please.


In R and R you are to sit with your nose one inch from the wall, with your legs folded under the weight of your body, your arms are to be held behind your back, they cannot touch the floor, your back or each other; your back and neck must remain rigid and straight. Sooner than you might think, your arms fall asleep, your legs fall asleep, there is no blood going to them. They ache so badly it puts you into tears. They throb and just when you think you are going to collapse and endure the consequences, you get a bathroom break. 3 bathroom breaks. 3 meal breaks. Many people say, "If I were you I would have just told them to screw themselves" but I've heard the screaming that comes for R and R sometimes. I never found out what happened that made the girls scream like that but I never wanted to find out.

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You'll never know whats it's like to be taken from your life against your will; to be brainwashed, stripped of your personality only to have it replaced by something that somebody created and placed in your head; to be abused mentally, emotionally, and in many cases physically; to be publicly humiliated and broken.


http://www.nospank.net/chambard.htm




Yeah, Casa by the Sea is abusive. You come here and parse words as if you are Donald Rumsfeld talking about torturing prisoners in Guantanamo. There is absolutely no difference. You control the environment completely, and the investigation and oversight, and then claim because abuse allegations cannot be proven, they must not be true. Bullshit - your argument is so transparent you are not fooling even the dimmest of minds (other than your own aparently).
How about the dozens of lawsuits brought against wwasps by parents? More unsubstantiated allegations, right? :wave:
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« Reply #1256 on: April 22, 2006, 09:24:00 PM »
And by the way, abuse HAS BEEN PROVEN many times over. You must realize this right? Have you seen the documentary where randall admits to pepperspraying a kid three times a day? Or scrubbing his private parts with a toilet brush? Or the scar on the boys chin? That is ONE KID. Keep lying WWASPIES, that's all you have -- your lies.
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« Reply #1257 on: April 22, 2006, 09:27:00 PM »
Get the WWASPS Documentary -- Still available
Download it forever while you still can
http://www.mininova.org/tor/262269



The World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP) is the

leading provider of behaviour modification programs for American

teens. At the helm of a company which earns $95 million per year is

Robert Browning Lichfield, a Utah resident and Mormon, who has built

his fortune through the numerous WWASP programs that are located

throughout the world. He is in charge of a virtual empire of schools

where complaints of physical and sexual abuse are allegedly ignored

by American authorities.



The school's popularity feeds on the strong level of concern that

parents have for their delinquent children. Parents attend seminars

where they are led to believe that their children can be changed for

the better and then sign contracts with WWASP which specify it is

allowed to use pepper spray, electronic disablers, mace, mechanical

restraints and handcuffs to enforce good behaviour. The contract also

states that the organisation is not liable for any harm the child

should suffer while in its care. There are also allegations that the

schools lack a comprehensive academic curriculum, operate without a

license from the education ministry and offer student qualifications

that aren't officially recognised in America.



At WWASP, punishments are of a physical nature and designed to inflict

extreme pain on the receiver. Misbehaviour such as talking at

inappropriate moments is punished by relegation to the "dog cage" - a

small boxed area where a student is forced to lie face-down for hours,

days or months, in extreme heat conditions. One female student was

subjected to this punishment for 18 months.



Foreign authorities have been sufficiently concerned with the

activities of the schools to shut down establishments in Western

Samoa, Costa Rica, Mexico and the Czech Republic. In total, six out

of twelve WWASP schools have closed amidst allegations of child abuse.

An increasing number of parents who are shocked at the physical and

emotional scars borne by their returning children have started to

speak out against WWASP, under the threat of lawsuits. The film

follows the progress of a defamation suit that WWASP brought against

single mother, Sue Scheff, who set up a website detailing her

objections to the way her son was treated in Tranquility Bay, Jamaica.



The program claims that the profitability of WWASP goes a long way to

explaining why American authorities have not mounted investigations

into its activities. An examination of personal finances of school

executives, such as Robert Browning Lichfield, indicates that they are

amongst the biggest donors to the Republican Party and gave over

$1 million in political donations in 2002-2004 and also fund the

missionary work of the Mormon movement
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« Reply #1258 on: April 23, 2006, 12:10:00 AM »
They admit that they use troubled minors in their care to give consequences to other troubled minors. These consequences result in the lengthening of incarceration and loss of priviliges. There is no prison in America that will allow inmates to have any part of a decison that lenghtens the stay of another inmate, let alone give a troubled child that kind of power.
They admit to punishing masturbation.
New York attorney general called one their programs "the largest education fraud in New York state history." They admit to pepper spraying kids on daily basis. Their program in Jamaica uses punishment UNACCEPTED in the civilized world.
They have put kids in freezing cold isolation cells for months at a time.  Regardless of having changed their practice due to bad publicity the fact that they would ever do this to a child is testament to their total lack of conscience, dispicably ammoral character, and unmitigated greed. The fact that you would defend these child torturers is temstament to yours.
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« Reply #1259 on: April 23, 2006, 11:54:00 PM »
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"They admit that they use troubled minors in their care to give consequences to other troubled minors. These consequences result in the lengthening of incarceration and loss of priviliges. There is no prison in America that will allow inmates to have any part of a decison that lenghtens the stay of another inmate, let alone give a troubled child that kind of power.

They admit to punishing masturbation.

New York attorney general called one their programs "the largest education fraud in New York state history." They admit to pepper spraying kids on daily basis. Their program in Jamaica uses punishment UNACCEPTED in the civilized world.

They have put kids in freezing cold isolation cells for months at a time.  Regardless of having changed their practice due to bad publicity the fact that they would ever do this to a child is testament to their total lack of conscience, dispicably ammoral character, and unmitigated greed. The fact that you would defend these child torturers is temstament to yours."



Don't fall off that soap box, friend!
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