RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU

[Whooter]

But was yours super extremely at –risk?

Actually, yes.  Drug problem, violent, defiant, depressed and at one time, suicidal.  Somehow we managed to find help for her without doing more damage to her by sending her off to one of the torture camps.

Any other questions?

Its a good thing she wasn't Super, Super extremely at-risk.  



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[DannyB II]

I think this is how you view parenting, Whooter...not every parent sees parenting like that...


I would really like to know: where was the breaking point  for you? When did you decide, that your parenting did not work and you have to send your daughter to a program?

If you asked your parents Maruska you would have a more realistic answer, then come back and tell us.

danny

[Whooter]

:   Anne you admitted yourself here on fornits that programs are helpful in most cases and that you had embellished many of the events that you claim occurred inside the program.

You responded:

I did what?

Ok....you've officially jumped the shark now. If you had ANY shred of credibility....any sliver at all, it is now forever lost.

I have never, EVER "admitted" any such thing.

Fuck you, you lying piece of shit. Fuck you and every goddamned thing you stand for. Ya know....I can live with all your exaggerations, minimalizations, denial, deflection, attempts at distraction but you have truly hit a new low here.

Whoa Anne lol.  You sound pissed off!!  Lets take a closer look at this whole conversation.

Lets see, Anne, you said of me:

You advocate sending them to these places for virtually anything. You also go out of your way to defend or minimize or justify even the most heinous actions and places.

Why don’t you start by showing the readers where I said this.  Then you can post the citation that shows I am this Reuben guy.  Then finally the link that shows I am not a program parent and that I work for the industry.

So you see I have lived with your lies and exaggerations, deflections and spin but since I wont give in to the mentality that all programs are abusive then it is accepted to bend the truth.  Why does it hurt so much more when the shoe is on your foot.  I never cried like you do.

See the double standard is alive and well here on fornits.  



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[Anne Bonney]

Whoa Anne lol.  You sound pissed off!!

Yes, it pisses me off when you outright lie about what I've said.  Crazy, I know.

You advocate sending them to these places for virtually anything. You also go out of your way to defend or minimize or justify even the most heinous actions and places.

Why don’t you start by showing the readers where I said this.

Pick any of the JRC threads.



 

Why does it hurt so much more when the shoe is on your foot.  I never cried like you do.

I never lied about things you said.

See the double standard is alive and well here on fornits.  

You are either delusional or just an outright liar.

[DannyB II]

Ok, I apologize, Whoother, I should have not be so blunt with you. It is always such a sensitive topic,when it comes to our own children .
I just want to tell you this: my daughter put us through hell...in comparisson to your daughter she is a spitfire:) Yet we never, in a million years would consider to drop the ball and let anybody else raise her....

It is probably a cultural difference. And maybe that is the reason we do not have such schools and programs in our country. We do need them.

Thankfully You didnt have to raise an at-risk child.

I have.  An extremely "at risk" child.  Somehow, I managed to do it without sending her off to strangers.

I dont think it is a cultural difference at all, Maruska.  Many people in American look for solutions and seek help where needed.  If we cannot solve our problems within the family we look outside the home for support.  If it doesn't exist then we invent it.  I am sure you have kids living on the streets, entering prison and not contributing to society in your country.

Again...I don't think anyone here is saying that no child ever needs help.  What we ARE saying is that a lot of parents seem to just accept sending them away as the norm, rather than the exception.  You advocate sending them to these places for virtually anything.  You also go out of your way to defend or minimize or justify even the most heinous actions and places.  

Any kind of "treatment" that would involved separating the child from the family for such an extended period of time alone would warrant it be used as an absolute LAST resort and even then you've got to make sure it's real  help with qualified people....not some fucking pseudo-newage-tough love form of quackery.  The ones that isolate them from the outside world, use the TC/confrontative peer pressure mode of "therapy", LGAT-like sessions, extreme hiking, pain compliance and restraining etc. should be fucking outlawed and the providers of such "therapy" be jailed.

Now, bring on the minimization, justification and super spin that we're oh-so accustomed to by now.

No let me Anne and I definitely don't speak for whooter. There was a exchange going on between Whooter, Maruska and Samara that was pretty good, information being traded and opinions being discussed. NO ONE mentioned your name anywhere or Ursus for that matter but as usual you both have got to stick your BIG FAT EGOSin the thread. Anne has to loose her temper and start cussing like some street whore. Anne for once here on fornits go lay down and STFU.
You do embellish your points so does your buddy Ursus, what??? you both didn't think we knew that....lol.

Danny

[Whooter]

Pick any of the JRC threads.

Oh sure, Great citation.


  Anne you admitted yourself here on fornits that programs are helpful in most cases and that you had embellished many of the events that you claim occurred inside the program.

So lets see... if any of you want proof just pick any of the Straight Threads or many of you posts early on.  You have stated this on many occasions but it seems you have changed your tune.. why?



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[Pile of Dead Kids]

Anne, there's no law making you waste your time with these idiots. Neither one is worth your respect or typing. Why bother?

[DannyB II]

Whooter reminds me of the defense attorneys who knowingly protects the guilty and attacks crime victims with a smile. The crazy off the wall pro-program lunatic is laughable. Whooter's brand of pro-program verbiage is both Machiavellian and sociopathic. No empathy. All smoke and mirrors.

And yours is not Machiavellian, you haven't even seen the programs your talking about, your reading posts from others and emulating. So come on lets get honest here.

Danny

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Anne Bonney]

Oh sure, Great citation.

Are you denying that you were defending the actions of the Judge Rotenberg Center?

[Anne Bonney]

So lets see... if any of you want proof just pick any of the Straight Threads or many of you posts early on.

You weren't in Straight, therefore have no authority to speak of what happened inside.  I was here (Fornits) when you posted in defense of JRC and it's actions.  Are you now denying that you have defended JRC?

You have stated this on many occasions but it seems you have changed your tune.. why?

Stated what?

You're a fucking liar, plain and simple.  You've proven it - yet again - today.

[DannyB II]

Anne, there's no law making you waste your time with these idiots. Neither one is worth your respect or typing. Why bother?

Pile,  Oh the "conquistador" of shit talking.  Muey bueno!!!!!!!!
I see your profound effect on the new comers, my it reminds me of my eval when I arrived at Elan.
I wish I was bullshitting you but I'm not, your right Pile that program you went to, fucked you up. Stop making others pay for it.

Danny

[DannyB II]

Whooter from my experience working in programs I noticed a couple of things.  Parents physically abused their children, verbally abused their children, sexually abused their children, abused drugs, abused alcohol, were going through a divorce, didn't spend enough time with their children, failed to supervise their children on a consistent basis, failed to enforce logical rules in the home [up for debate], failed to consequence their children within reason [not talking about torture etc.] and failed to act as good role models.  As a result, the child says fuck it, I'll party hardy, skip school, steal cars, burn latrines, blow up mail boxes etc.  Often adults cannot connect the dots.  I don't know if the above applies to you, only you can answer that.  Some parents choose to step up to the plate, man up and tackle the problem head on.  Others take the easy way out.  Again I don't know if this applies to you, only you can answer that.

When you have children and have raised them then and only then do you have the right to ask those questions.

danny

[Anne Bonney]

Anne, there's no law making you waste your time with these idiots. Neither one is worth your respect or typing. Why bother?

You're right.  And besides...it looks like its driving DannyBoy crazy that he's not the center of attention today.  Notice how he keeps trying to insert himself into this and how everyone's ignoring him?  He doesn't like being ignored.
  :beat:  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010