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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #105 on: June 07, 2010, 02:46:37 PM »
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Ned was good with the kids and well liked.  He left RMA in 1997 and took an Associate Head Master position at the Baylor School in Tennessee to be closer to his son and family, I believe.  He enjoyed a few years there and then accepted a position as HeadMaster at Episcopal day school in Augusta Ga in 2003.  He was arrested for DUI in 2007 which a subsequent background search revealed he had no prior record.

He continues there today as HeadMaster.



And you're still insisting that you're merely an "interested parent".   You just sort of stumble across all this detailed information, right?  You have no financial association or gain, directly or indirectly, with the TTI...right?


And please, just this once...spare me the "we all profit from it one way or another" bullshit. You know precisely what I'm talking about and that's not it.
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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2010, 03:33:23 PM »
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DB: I didn't write the mold and shape post. I think it was Maruska.

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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #108 on: June 07, 2010, 04:08:40 PM »
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I take it you believe in Play-doh parenting, Whooter?  :seg:

or if you off load it to someone else you could call it... "Pay Dough" parenting!
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play-doh vs. pay dough parenting
« Reply #109 on: June 07, 2010, 05:39:42 PM »
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Until  the person becomes an adult and can decide for themselves then it is our duty as parents to mold them and shape them and provide them with the tools to have a happy, long and successful life.   There child should not be asked .. it should be a process that the parents decide is best for them.
Our duty to mold and shape... hmm.

I take it you believe in Play-doh parenting, Whooter?  :seg:
or if you off load it to someone else you could call it... "Pay Dough" parenting!
Yep. Sounds just like a program to me! Folks who get tired of all that molding and shaping can just pay somebody else to play with their Play-doh.

Problem is, your kid's psyche isn't really like Play-doh, is it?

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Re: play-doh vs. pay dough parenting
« Reply #110 on: June 07, 2010, 05:50:23 PM »
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Until  the person becomes an adult and can decide for themselves then it is our duty as parents to mold them and shape them and provide them with the tools to have a happy, long and successful life.   There child should not be asked .. it should be a process that the parents decide is best for them.
Our duty to mold and shape... hmm.

I take it you believe in Play-doh parenting, Whooter?  :seg:
or if you off load it to someone else you could call it... "Pay Dough" parenting!
Yep. Sounds just like a program to me! Folks who get tired of all that molding and shaping can just pay somebody else to play with their Play-doh.

Problem is, your kid's psyche isn't really like Play-doh, is it?

 :clown:

Are you okay?  Lighten up Ursus.  People mold and shape their children every day.  Its called parenting…. It is a positive thing, its not abusive.  The play-doh/Pay-Dough thing was a play on words.  It was intended to be humorous.... a little comic relief on a very serious forum.



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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #111 on: June 08, 2010, 05:18:09 AM »
I think this is how you view parenting, Whooter...not every parent sees parenting like that...


I would really like to know: where was the breaking point  for you? When did you decide, that your parenting did not work and you have to send your daughter to a program?
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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2010, 08:42:03 AM »
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I think this is how you view parenting, Whooter...not every parent sees parenting like that...
Agreed  they don’t.  Each parent has a different approach, but the majority of parents agree on a common concept of parenting, protect the child's self esteem and allow them the room to grow into themselves and at the same time establish and enforce healthy boundaries.


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I would really like to know: where was the breaking point for you? When did you decide, that your parenting did not work and you have to send your daughter to a program?
I would say the breaking point was when she decided that she didn’t want an education, felt she would fail and then ultimately refused to go to school.  We even had teachers come to the house to work with her.  She had a healthy self esteem her whole life and then suddenly it dropped off and she obviously needed help.  All our local options failed to bring her around.
She agreed to wilderness and then hesitantly agreed to ASR when faced with other realistic options.



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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #114 on: June 08, 2010, 10:20:23 AM »
Whoo:

1. How did she suddenly lose her self esteem?

2. What was your accountability in her problems as a parent? (Or does your daughter bear the onus of the blame?)

3. What program did YOU attend to fix your parenting issues?
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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #115 on: June 08, 2010, 10:30:59 AM »
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Whoo:

1. How did she suddenly lose her self esteem?

She didnt suddenly loose it.

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2. What was your accountability in her problems as a parent? (Or does your daughter bear the onus of the blame?)

If you had ever been part of a close nit family you would know that when one member is in trouble the whole family unit is in trouble.  Blaming people does not help in solving problems.

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3. What program did YOU attend to fix your parenting issues?

It was a different one than the one you attended to address your manners.



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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #116 on: June 08, 2010, 10:35:20 AM »
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I think this is how you view parenting, Whooter...not every parent sees parenting like that...
Agreed  they don’t.  Each parent has a different approach, but the majority of parents agree on a common concept of parenting, protect the child's self esteem and allow them the room to grow into themselves and at the same time establish and enforce healthy boundaries.


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I would really like to know: where was the breaking point for you? When did you decide, that your parenting did not work and you have to send your daughter to a program?
I would say the breaking point was when she decided that she didn’t want an education, felt she would fail and then ultimately refused to go to school.  We even had teachers come to the house to work with her.  She had a healthy self esteem her whole life and then suddenly it dropped off and she obviously needed help.  All our local options failed to bring her around.
She agreed to wilderness and then hesitantly agreed to ASR when faced with other realistic options.



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Why did she refuse to go to school? How old was she at that time?
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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #117 on: June 08, 2010, 10:46:35 AM »
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Why did she refuse to go to school? How old was she at that time?

We really didn’t know.  We tried changing schools and had her schooled at home but she just lost interest.  She felt she couldn’t succeed or do well.  She didn’t feel like she was smart enough.

She was about 13, I think, when we first noticed her down turn.



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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #118 on: June 08, 2010, 10:57:49 AM »
Whooter: Who hijacked your post? The person who responded last it not the same I am used to addressing.  I can tell by semantics and style.

Anyway, you did explain to Maruska that your daughter's self esteem suddenly dropped. In the post after mine, you challenged that assertion.  So, I am a bit confused.

As far as blame is concerned, I've read other posts of your's that seem to indicate the onus falls on the child.  I am simply challenging that notion.  It is my experience that the parents don't really take an in-depth role in recovering the family besides outsourcing their kids. Also, parents go back home to their comfortable beds and lives. Not too many at CEDU seemed invested other than on family day.  They set up baby demos of raps/propheets, but they were diluted and for show only. Totally inauthentic.  

It doesn't matter anyway because as an adult, you are responsible for yourself regardless of past experiences.

Anyway, I got shipped off to CEDU for similar reasons. I would not attend school. I didn't fail out either. I also had some traumatic experiences with predators.   It is difficult for me to talk about that. But CEDU only intensified the trauma and distrust.

When I left CEDU, I found a school that was private, with courses taught by college professors. The whole culture (comparative to traditional private or public schools) was different and I thrived. Unfortunately, most people can't afford that.
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Re: RMA staff I remember from RMA, you post yours from CEDU
« Reply #119 on: June 08, 2010, 11:11:45 AM »
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Anyway, you did explain to Maruska that your daughter's self esteem suddenly dropped. In the post after mine, you challenged that assertion. So, I am a bit confused.
My bad, I did say it suddenly dropped off as I read back.  It occurred over several months time.

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As far as blame is concerned, I've read other posts of your's that seem to indicate the onus falls on the child. I am simply challenging that notion. It is my experience that the parents don't really take an in-depth role in recovering the family besides outsourcing their kids. Also, parents go back home to their comfortable beds and lives. Not too many at CEDU seemed invested other than on family day. They set up baby demos of raps/propheets, but they were diluted and for show only. Totally inauthentic.

It doesn't matter anyway because as an adult, you are responsible for yourself regardless of past experiences.

Anyway, I got shipped off to CEDU for similar reasons. I would not attend school. I didn't fail out either. I also had some traumatic experiences with predators. It is difficult for me to talk about that. But CEDU only intensified the trauma and distrust.

When I left CEDU, I found a school that was private, with courses taught by college professors. The whole culture (comparative to traditional private or public schools) was different and I thrived. Unfortunately, most people can't afford that.
Every situation is different.  In some cases the child needs to step up or have their feet held to the fire.  In other cases the parents dropped the ball and when they finally realized it they were too late to help them.  But my position has always been the responsibility is shared between the parents and the child.

I am glad it eventually worked out for you.  My daughter did well too in college after she got out.  She was much more mature by then and had regained her self esteem.




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