Liscensure Questions

[SHH Anon Classics]

You can be assured that nobody here talking this bullshit and acting like 12 year olds cursing you boys out is being sent by Dr. B. These are probably other students or former staff and have nothing to do with Dr. B himself. Or, quite possibly, one of your own.

[Anonymous]

"1. Food cannot be rationed.

2. Physical labor cannot be used as a punishment.

3. A state represenative must be available for greivances"

1. Food is not rationed.

2. If you consider raking leaves, pulling weeds, and chopping wood physical labor then, yes, HLA has physical labor.  My father called it hard work and he gave me more of it when I misbehaved.  If a parent reading this cannot handle their child doing some hard work as a consequence, then they should not enroll their child at HLA.

3. Anyone can report greivances to Child Protective Services if they have a problem with something.

[Troll Control]

On 2005-12-19 05:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

""1. Food cannot be rationed.



2. Physical labor cannot be used as a punishment.



3. A state represenative must be available for greivances"



1. Food is not rationed.



2. If you consider raking leaves, pulling weeds, and chopping wood physical labor then, yes, HLA has physical labor.  My father called it hard work and he gave me more of it when I misbehaved.  If a parent reading this cannot handle their child doing some hard work as a consequence, then they should not enroll their child at HLA.



3. Anyone can report greivances to Child Protective Services if they have a problem with something."

1.  Food IS rationed.  That's a well-established fact.  I've personally seen it done.  They call it "restrictions" diet.

2.  Physical labor is used as punishment.  I've personally witnessed kids doing meaningless, back-breaking manual labor, like moving rockpiles (then moving them back).  You admit in your post that HLA uses labor as punishment.  That is illegal, no matter what the circumstances.  Thank you for clearing up the fact that they are knowingly and willingly commiting crimes against these children.

3.  There is no state representative available for grievences although it is REQUIRED by law under their business classification and accreditation.  I think it has been made abundantly clear what happens when a patient expresses dissatisfaction:  they are ignored and/or punished.

4.  NO patient is allowed to report to CPS because they are denied any means to communicate abuse.  There is no phone available (as required by law) and all mail is censored (in violation of constitutional rights).  They cannot even report abuse to their therapists, as their communications from their sessions are, in violation of confidentiality law, shared with the management for discipline purposes.

5.  The poster who made up this little "lie list" is so full of shit that their eyes are brown.

Why do you people come on here and continue to prevaricate when there are quite literally hundreds of people who can attest to the fact that what you are posting is completely untrue?

Deny, digress, dissemble.  That's all you folks are capable of doing.  You'll say and do anything to protect your revenue stream even when it is shown beyond doubt to be false.

[Anonymous]

***If you consider raking leaves, pulling weeds, and chopping wood physical labor then, yes, HLA has physical labor. My father called it hard work and he gave me more of it when I misbehaved. If a parent reading this cannot handle their child doing some hard work as a consequence, then they should not enroll their child at HLA.

Surely, you're not implying that restriction kids only rake leaves, pull weeds, and chop wood are you. BTW, who benefits from the wood they chop?

Are parents told that their child will be moving rocks, cleaning dumpsters with toothbrushes, hauling gravel, digging steps, etc.
That sounds like labor that 'substitutes for paid employees', and if they were licensed it wouldn't be going on, unless they wanted to risk being in violation of state law.


(b) The following forms of discipline shall not be used:*
1. Assignment of excessive or unreasonable work tasks that are not related to the
resident's misbehavior;*
2. Denial of meals and hydration;*
3. Denial of sleep;*
4. Denial of shelter, clothing, or essential personal needs;*
5. Denial of essential program services;*
6. Verbal abuse, ridicule, or humiliation;*
7. Chemical restraints, except as provided for in Rule .12(3)(d)3. (Psychotropic
Medications), or mechanical restraints;*
8. Denial of communication and visits unless restricted in accordance with Rule .10(b)7.;
and*
9. Corporal punishment.*

(c) Children shall not be held solely responsible for the accomplishments of any work
activity of the institution such as food preparation, laundering, housekeeping, or facility
maintenance. Children shall not be considered substitutes for employed staff.*

What kind of association do the kids make with any potentially useful work they are required to do and the woods while at RC, because they are used as punishment?
Kids shouldn't be punished with consequences that are not related to the offense. That's not good parenting or the proper use of BM, if you want to get technical. In fact, it goes into the torture realm. Just cause daddy did it, don't make it right.
And yeh, parents should know how their kids will be 'parented' while in the care of strangers. Gotta ask the hard questions because the specifics aren't spelled out in the parent manual.

[Anonymous]

"who benefits from the wood they chop?"

Poor people in the local community who still heat their houses with wood burning stoves.  The kids deliver it to them.

Also, the students benefit from it by having fires in the lodge.

Staff are not allowed to use it.
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[Anonymous]

. Food IS rationed. That's a well-established fact. I've personally seen it done. They call it "restrictions" diet.

Your right.  It used to be done.  The school stopped doing it probably five or more years ago.
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[Troll Control]

On 2005-12-19 10:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

""who benefits from the wood they chop?"



Poor people in the local community who still heat their houses with wood burning stoves.  The kids deliver it to them.



Also, the students benefit from it by having fires in the lodge.



Staff are not allowed to use it.

"

Under the terms spelled out below, HLA is in serious violation of the law.

Surely you jest when you say that the only forced labor is light-duty landscaping?  I mean that's a complete lie and everyone who has ever been at HLA as a patient or a worker knows that's bunk.  

I've seen kids work until they suffer from heat exhaustion and vomiting while doing mindless, undirected, non-beneficial punishment tasks.  

You're full of it.  And sugar-coating the least of the punishments.

[Troll Control]

On 2005-12-19 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

". Food IS rationed. That's a well-established fact. I've personally seen it done. They call it "restrictions" diet.





Your right.  It used to be done.  The school stopped doing it probably five or more years ago."

Not according to recent patients.  They confim that this is still happening.

[Anonymous]

***Your right. It used to be done. The school stopped doing it probably five or more years ago.

Five years? No. The restrictions diet was in effect as of late 2001, possibly early 2002 or later. I would guess that it was changed around the time that ORS required them to apply for a license for RC.
Was a staff nutritionist hired? Who is now in charge of ensuring that meals are nutritionally adequate?
Any of you parents remember being told that the diet had been approved by the HD? And warned that your child might get 'sick' on the visit, after eating?
It would be helpful to know who is responding so one might determine the authenticity of the information. Not interested in a guess from Susie.

To: gdphinfo@dhr.state.ga.us
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:38:21 -0500

Hello,
Please route this inquiry to the appropriate person or department.  My son is enrolled in a private school in Lumpkin county.  The school has a policy that causes me concern.  The Director of the program told parents that a teen was given a limited calorie diet while on "restriction".  The diet consists of 2 individual boxes of cereal for breakfast with a carton of milk and a white bread and cheese sandwich, a cup of soup, and a piece of fruit for both lunch and dinner.
The head of the Nutrition Dept at my local community college warned that this diet, at less than half the USDA requirement for an active teen, was inadequate. While on restriction the teen is required to do extra physical training and subject to work details.
I am writing you because the Director told parents that while "sparse", the diet had been approved by the local health dept. Given the advice I received, and for my son's sake, I must question the validity of this.  
I am requesting written verification and a professional opinion from your office. Specifically,  I would like to know if your department gave permission to Hidden Lake Academy in Dahlonega, Ga. to offer this diet to children while on restriction and/or approved the diet, and under what conditions. I would also like to know if your office was told that it was common for a teen to be on restriction, and taking this diet for a month or longer. A professional opinion from a staff nutritionist regarding the diet would also be appreciated.


From: "David Oberhausen"
Cc: ,    "Jean Garner" , "Linda Truelove" , "Melody Stancil"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:09:39 -0400
Subject: letter of inquiry to the state public health office

The staff that could be reached and colleagues and supervisors of those who could not, have given me the following information.
 
It would not be a typical service of the health department to provide recommendations on a school policy regarding what would be an appropriate diet for a student or students, whether on restriction or not. That would come under the purview of a school dietitian or consulting dietitian, most likely, and would be a matter to be oveseen by the state department of education.  No one in our organization has indicated any knowledge of speaking with a school representative regarding diets for students on restriction, but two additional staff members should be available to speak with tomorrow. If I determine anything else on this I will notify you immediately.
 
It is not our normal role to issue opinions regarding hypothetical situations. There are professionals in the private sector who are equipped to do this, as you have indicated you are aware given conversations with your department head. As public employees we would not wish to be in competition with the private sector in providing services unrelated to our health department programs.
 
I hope I have allayed your concerns that the public health system has been involved in a situation such as you described, and that I have suggested an alternative route for following up on your concerns, that is, with the state department of education. I will follow up with the two absent employees as soon as possible, but I want to reiterate that it would be outside our normal procedures to get involved with a school regarding matters of limiting food availability as a matter of discipline.
 
I hope you get satisfactory answers to your concerns soon.



From: "Hensley, Timothy K."
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:34:32 -0400
Subject: RE: DNPA Inquiry or Comment

We checked with one of our nutritionists, please see the note below . . .
 
This woman has serious concerns and should talk with her child's medical provider and have her physician work with the school's medical advisor.  She should have her child examined by her physician and work closely with the school to match his dietary needs. I have no idea what the child's weight and health status are like and any special nutritional concerns. From the data she provided the school menu sounds inadequate and not balanced.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-19 05:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

""1. Food cannot be rationed.



2. Physical labor cannot be used as a punishment.



3. A state represenative must be available for greivances"



1. Food is not rationed.



2. If you consider raking leaves, pulling weeds, and chopping wood physical labor then, yes, HLA has physical labor.  My father called it hard work and he gave me more of it when I misbehaved.  If a parent reading this cannot handle their child doing some hard work as a consequence, then they should not enroll their child at HLA.



3. Anyone can report greivances to Child Protective Services if they have a problem with something."

1. If food isnt rationed now it certiannly used to be now didnt it. Was it okay then?

2. A parent should not enroll their child at HLA anyway, however that is not the current discussion. Considering its against state regulations HLA should not do it, considering they tell parents they dont do it they shouldnt do it, and considering the fact that it is systematically set up to save the school money. By using slave labor to do the regular maintainance around the school they dont have to pay anyone to do it. And that according to the Emancipation Proclamation is illegal.

3. Ummm are students permitted access to a phone without supervision? Can they write uncensored letters? Weve seen on here first hand what happens when students post things on websites such as this. So if they cant really have unfettered access to the outside world how are they able to bring their greivances to anyone without fear of consequence.

[Nonconformistlaw]

On 2005-12-19 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Food IS rationed. That's a well-established fact. I've personally seen it done. They call it "restrictions" diet.

Your right.  It used to be done.  The school stopped doing it probably five or more years ago."

Why is it every time a program supporter is caught and has nothing left to say to avoid the issue, the next ploy is "We used to do that, but now we dont." Puleez  :roll: KHK/Penny Walker recently pulled the same stunt.

http://wcpo.com/wcpo/localshows/iteam/92a2f60.html

"Hagit Limor narration: WALKER SAYS THE PROGRAM HAS CHANGED OVER TIME, ELIMINATING SOME OF THE EXTREME RESTRAINTS FORMER CLIENTS DESCRIBED TO THE I-TEAM.

Hagit Limor on videotape: "When kids have power over kids, can that be abused?"

Penny Walker on videotape: "It can be. We watch very diligently for that. / What has changed is we don't tolerate violence any more. We used to."

Okay before you rabid trolls get all excited and say...that is not relevant to HLA, WRONG! It has everything to do with it. Many programs use identical tactics to avoid admitting how routinely children in their care are abused. Clearly, anon, you employ this same tactic. Seems to me there is evidence that this practice is still currently used.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-19 10:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

""who benefits from the wood they chop?"



Poor people in the local community who still heat their houses with wood burning stoves.  The kids deliver it to them.



Also, the students benefit from it by having fires in the lodge.



Staff are not allowed to use it.

"

Liar. I personally chopped wood for the Buch.

Who benefits from the forced building of restriction camps? Or cleaning of dumpsters with tooth brushes? Or constant landscaping?

Let me ask you if its not systematic, is there ever a time during the shcool year when work assingments arent going on?

They are used as slaves.

It is illegal, even if it being oh so generous of wood for the poor. Give me a break

[Anonymous]

This must be impossible because according to Robert Bruce there is noone to report grievences to concerning HLA.  This looks like a grienvence to me.
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[Anonymous]

Are you genuniely ignorant or being a smart ass?
Either way, anyone who has been to HLA knows that it is all but futile to report things. The phone call is ended immediately and consequences issued, and if necessary a damage control call to the parent.
 After a lengthy indocerination period in which both parent and child are being manipulated and conditioned, the kid basically gives up. Is an attempt to report worth weeks of physical labor and limited calories, or more recently, a trip to boot camp hell?
 If kids had access to a public phone with the 800 numbers to report abuse posted above it, they would be more inclined to report incidents when they ocur rather than years later on an internet forum.
 While that's a good policy, I'm not sure how effective it would be at exposing and ending systematic abuse. Hell, many of the state staff have their own 'linient' definitions of abuse and are notorious for looking the other way.
 Best if parents demand to have unmonitored contact with their children, and learn to distinquish a lie from the truth.

[Anonymous]

Kids go on visits with their parents all the time.  Starting with the two month visit.  They are ALONE with them during those visits.  There are kids going on visits for Christmas next week for seven days who have been here for 4 months.  They can tell their parents ANYTHING they want to tell them.
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