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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2005, 08:16:00 AM »
God, Helena, that gives me the creeps.  I'm glad I visit this forum.  I'm one of those trusting types.  Unless someone is trying to sell me something, I generally believe people are telling me the truth, even though I know for certain the world is a crazy place filled with loonies.  It's just that people I know have let me down and I've had wonderful experiences with honest, caring strangers.

I guess if the check scenario happened to me, my first thought would be a case of stolen identity.  Whatever the case, it would freak me out to no end that strangers pilfered my home and went through the trouble to devise this scheme. God, they could have been rapists. UGH!
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2005, 12:07:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-07 01:44:00, sorry... try another castle wrote:

"Hate to generalize, but the guy obviously knew who to target: fast food flunkies in rural communities... those people aren't exactly going to be that high up on the intelligence food chain.



It's almost hard for me to feel sorry for them, because they are so fucking stupid.
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Sorry, I disagree with that. Many people in the fast food industry are using it as stepping stone to bigger, better things. It is a temporary job for youth or people needing a temorary income while going to school.

Yes, some managers stick around as store managers and future franchise owners, but even then, these jobs are not for dummies.

I have good friends who could not go to college who worked as managers at fast food franchises. They now own their own companies.

Still, I am totally amazed that someone would fall for this hoax for any length of time to the point of committing sexual acts. That is just plain stupid!
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2005, 12:11:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-06 10:16:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-11-06 09:24:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:


I guess the moral of the story is too many people automatically whither in the presence of perceived authority, and fail to ask the necessary questions. This is more of a threat now since everyone seems to be online and have access to more info.




Yes, and that is just so fucking dissapointing! When I split the Program, those bozos in St. Pete got a Program friendly judge to issue an extradition order to get me back on Florida soil for another kidnapping attempt. Two plain clothes detectives showed up to execute the warrant. I asked them for ID and then asked them to wait a minute while I called their office to verify it. It was legit. But I really and truely wouldn't put it past Program people (or other deranged zealots) to try and pull a scam pretending to be cops. Would you?



You would think (or at least I would think) that, given all this great access to so much information, people would start to put two and two together and be more skeptical. Instead, they seem to be going the other way, becoming more cerdulous. I give up. I'm going to retire to some lovely wooded mountainside somewhere and live off the land among the dumb, but relatively sane, animals.

People everywhere enjoy believing things that they know are not true. It spares them the ordeal of thinking for themselves and taking responsibility for what they know.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000051WYJ/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> BROOKS ATKINSON (1894-1984), Once Around The Sun, 1951.


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Hey, I found it on the Internet. It must be true! :grin:
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2005, 08:48:00 AM »
One of the news magazines is going to cover this. It may be Dateline, but I'm not certain.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2005, 10:00:00 AM »
//ABC Primetime is scheduled to broadcast a segment Nov. 10 about the Mount Washington case, according to Yater, who said Ogborn was interviewed for it last week by a producer and reporter John Quinones. //
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2005, 08:21:00 PM »
::bump::

Hey, everybody! Try and see this in as big a crowd as possible. I'm inviting a few ppl over unawares. Can't wait to find out what ppl make of the story.

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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2005, 03:02:00 AM »
I just saw an ad for a bit on this story on tomorrow night's ABC PRIMETIME show. Aparently they have the strip search on tape.
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2005, 09:51:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-07 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"God, Helena, that gives me the creeps.  I'm glad I visit this forum.  I'm one of those trusting types.  Unless someone is trying to sell me something, I generally believe people are telling me the truth, even though I know for certain the world is a crazy place filled with loonies.  It's just that people I know have let me down and I've had wonderful experiences with honest, caring strangers.



I guess if the check scenario happened to me, my first thought would be a case of stolen identity.  Whatever the case, it would freak me out to no end that strangers pilfered my home and went through the trouble to devise this scheme. God, they could have been rapists. UGH!"


Stolen identity never occurred to me - would it occur to you at 19?   It really wasn't a publicized problem back then anyway.  

But when something gives you the creeps - check it out - it just might be creepy!
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2005, 12:32:00 PM »
Did anybody else watch this last night?
Even after having read the articles, and so knowing what happened - I was shocked.
Somehow, seeing the tapes made it far more "real" - and I am so angry about it all.
Once again I found myself sputtering in disbelief - How can anyone be So Stupid!!??
Somehow - I feel angrier with the Supervisor than with her boyfriend - How could she possibly think that situation was OK??!! Leaving that little girl, naked, locked in an office with her boyfriend - she should be charged with - oh anything and everything that might apply.
And him??
I'd like to see him locked up like any rapist, and dam right he should have to be registered as a sex offender. That's what he is.
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2005, 05:57:00 PM »
Yeah. We had a friend over when it came on. Consensus was that the ditzy bitch in charge must be dumber than a post. They just couldn't understand wtf they were watching or how she behaved then or now.

The victim, though, brought a different response. Remember when that woman in SC drowned her kids and claimed some big black guy took them? Remember how so many people spotted the lie, but just kept mum? I got the same feeling from this girl. I don't think she had any part in planning the thing. But there was one very telling moment at the end of the interview. The interviewer asked "So, how long will this stay with you?" and the girl smiled, "Oh, for the rest of my life, I'm sure." That's probably true, too. And I, for one, was damned satisfied to see that, contrary to her former statements about being damaged by the shattering of her illusions, I think maybe the kid learned something valuable and powerful about human nature. Oh yeah, she's gettin' some of that Mickey D's cash. And she won't be fooled again!

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2005, 05:43:00 PM »
Hey, did anybody watch the next show on ABC? It was interesting. It was basically a promo for a personal defense type coach. They did the segment on a highschool campus drilling kids and faculty on a school shooting scenareo. Then they critiqued it, dunning them all for blindly floowing idiotic instructions instead of thinking. Then he coached them on better ideas like looking around, getting the hell out if you can, messing w/ the bad guys any way you can; just common sense stuff.

And I've seen presentations like this about self defense coaching plenty of times before. Evidently, an entire industry is growing up around undoing the damage done by our Prussian schooling system.

Some days, I feel like I just woke up in a Johnathan Swift story.

The government is much more interested in preserving the purity of its ideology than it is in allowing patients to get effective medicine.
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2005, 06:45:00 PM »
Me thinks that's the whole point of Jonathan Swift stories - to help us better recognize ourselves and societies strengths and weaknesses. We walk around in his stories every day :wink:

The world is full of Yahoo's and small minds - and wisdom and grace can be found in the most unexpected places.

I do agree, there seems to be a trend away from conformity and mindless obedience.
But I don't much think anything will change - not on any kind of large scale. Indiviguals will be reached, and it will make a difference in their lives - but over all, a simple fact remains - there are a lot more sheep than eagles.

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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2005, 04:02:00 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2005, 04:05:00 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2005, 10:43:00 PM »
Keep watching and reading for updates on this story- b/c there is a whole lot more than meets the eye.  To clarify- the victim was NOT told that this was a "strip-search"- she was first locked in the office with the two brutish women and then head-locked and told that if she didn't comply her parents would be going to jail for drugs, etc., etc.  She KNEW it was BS but could not escape... the family HAD NO TELEPHONE!!! Much more to be told- who could imagine that something like this could happen and that it would get worse and worse?  I think she is very brave- how many women are raped, assualted who are too afraid to tell???
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