ABDUCTIONS

[nuiloa]

I will never have children, but that's good advice for those who do.  Part of the problem is that authority is easily abused, especially by those who have been abused themselves.  Personally I have a tremendous dislike of children, which doesn't make me exactly popular, but I'm not going to have them just to appear normal to others.  However, people who are planning to have children do have it in their power to be better parents than they had themselves.

-nuiloa

[The Liger]

Nuiloa, I read about the youth facility.  It's the only juvenile detention center in the state, I believe, and it is located in my home town of Kailua.  The ACLU actually went in a while ago and did a report on the place.  They interviewed the children and heard a lot of disturbing things.  There are a lot of reports of abuse by guards.  Boys reported that guards would grab them by the balls and squeeze for punishment.  The maximum caapacity is currently being exceeded.  This means that some children are sleeping on floors next to toilets.  The worst thing that I read was that the ACLU recommended that a female guard be employed for the night shift in the girls' facility to provide a safeguard against any sexual abuse by male guards.  They didn't listen and just a few weeks later, a girl was raped by a male guard.  He was convicted and sentenced to 15 years in prison.  The big problem going on is that the contract between the state and the guards' union gives the guards so much power that the state can hardly do anything about the situation.  According to the contract, the union has to approve any prison policy changes.  So they can't even require additional training for the guards unless the union agrees to it!  Here are some articles for anyone who is interested:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic ... 30316.html

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic ... 10350.html

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic ... ln25a.html

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic ... ln18a.html

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic ... 10362.html

[The Liger]

On 2005-11-14 20:53:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-11-14 12:22:00, The Liger wrote:


At the place that I went to, about a third of the girls there were adopted (including myself). I always thought it was sort of eerie.

There seemed to be a lot of adopted kids in Straight too. Isn't that strange? What do you make of it?

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
--Philosopher, Blaise Pascal

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I guess I can only look at my own situation.  My biological dad is supposed to be some kind of drug addict, so I think my parents kind of flipped out when I was experimenting with drugs.  I really think they thought that I was on some downhill path to hell.  I don't know about it being easier to send away an adopted kid because you don't have a biological tie to them.  I don't think that's true in most cases.  I think it's more of a fear of the adopted kid turning out like the biological parents.  It would be especially true if the adoptive parents had no idea where their kid came from.  You could imagine anything, I guess.  I don't think you ever imagine normal people giving up their kids for adoption if you're an adoptive parent.  If you're an adoptive parent, you probably wanted kids more than anything, but couldn't have your own, so you probably think that someone would have to a drug addict, insane, or 12 years old to give up a kid for adoption.

I definitely get tired of hearing stuff about how ties to adoptive children are different than ties to biological children.  It's just not true.

Oh, another theory I had on why there were so many adopted children is that extremely religious people LOVE to adopt.  And since they are extremely religious, they flip out more easily over bad behavior by teenagers.  A lot of the adopted girls at my school came from uberreligious homes and had never done drugs or had sex.  They were just defiant and had a lot of anger.

[bandit1978]

Nuiloa- my parents also freaked out when a therapist suggested that they might share some responsibility for our problems at home...that was the last I saw of her.

Next thing I knew, my mother had sought the advise of one Dr. Richard Schwartz (formerly of Straight), who (after secretly testing my urine for drugs, which came out negative) referred us to Provo Canyon School.  

It does give me some closure, though, that my parents do admit that they made a huge mistake in sending me to PCS.  My mother also wishes she had known more about Dr. Schwartz, and about this organization he was involved with, Straight.  But back then, it just wasn't this easy to obtain information about these people and places.

[nuiloa]

That's true; as much as I disliked the Internet to start out with, it's given us a tool in which to expose these places.  My mother occasionally has admitted that she finds Northwood 'suspect'.  

You're from Kailua?  I guess that gives you more proximity than me; I'm on the Big Island.  I just got an email back from Cecelia Fong swearing that she was going to do something about it.  We'll see.  Isn't it interesting how Hawai'i really is as compared to what people think of it?

My parents weren't uberreligious; my dad can't have kids and my mom wanted one.  I don't know what it means, that there are a lot of adoptive kids in these places.  My younger sister was also adopted, and she never did anything wrong, and never wound up in a home.  So I don't think it's necessarily involving adoption at all.  When kids don't become what parents want, they have the option to get rid of them...just like taking a dog to the pound.

-nuiloa

[Antigen]

On 2005-11-16 11:46:00, nuiloa wrote:

Part of the problem is that authority is easily abused, especially by those who have been abused themselves.

Actually, I think that one has been debunked along with the myth about elevated wife beating incidents during the Super Bowl.

However, people who are planning to have children do have it in their power to be better parents than they had themselves.



-nuiloa"

In my experience, that's more typical.

A celibate clergy is an especially good idea because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism.
--Carl Sagan, American astronomer and author

[Antigen]

On 2005-11-16 22:17:00, bandit1978 wrote:


Next thing I knew, my mother had sought the advise of one Dr. Richard Schwartz (formerly of Straight), who (after secretly testing my urine for drugs, which came out negative) referred us to Provo Canyon School.  



It does give me some closure, though, that my parents do admit that they made a huge mistake in sending me to PCS.  My mother also wishes she had known more about Dr. Schwartz, and about this organization he was involved with, Straight.  But back then, it just wasn't this easy to obtain information about these people and places.  
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Oh my! Bandit, how many other kids were in PC from the Fairfax area? Do you happen to know if a lot of them came from Chantilly or JEB high and which years? I wonder if we could contact some of those people and prove or disprove a tie back to Mel Riddile?

Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

[nuiloa]

Well, frankly, I've always doubted it.  I've just heard it a lot (about the abused becoming abusive).  However, I was abused, and I can see abusive tendencies within myself, if given the right situation.  So I'm not entirely sure what that means.

-nuiloa

[bandit1978]

While at PCS, I was the only kid from the DC area (except for one other girl, who was from Bethesda, MD).

Dr. Schwartz developed a reputation for having a disgusting, unprofessional, and cruel bedside manner with children, and many parents quickly came to disregard his advise on family, social, and mental health matters.  I don't even think he works in the area anymore.

[Antigen]

On 2005-11-19 09:44:00, nuiloa wrote:

"Well, frankly, I've always doubted it.  I've just heard it a lot (about the abused becoming abusive).  However, I was abused, and I can see abusive tendencies within myself, if given the right situation.  So I'm not entirely sure what that means.



-nuiloa"

Well, that's the thing. We all inherit some baggage from our ancestors along w/ the goodies. When we spot their misakes, we correct them (or die trying). It's when we fail to recognize them as mistakes that we pass them along.

You can lead a camel to water but you can't make it stink (any more than it already does)
-- Job

[nuiloa]

In a way, that assumption is scary, because all the staff at the homes I lived in could get off scot-free if they used their own abuse as an excuse.  Scary.

I prefer to inherit the traits of my ancestors, the Scots- fight for freedom or die trying.  :smile:

-nuiloa

[nuiloa]

Hey everyone-

A while back I found an article on the Web about a guy who worked as an abductor for a gulag school and he was a convicted child molester.  I wrote an article referring to him but I can't find the original anywhere.  Can anyone help?

-nuiloa

[Anonymous]

On 2005-11-22 08:14:00, nuiloa wrote:

"Hey everyone-



A while back I found an article on the Web about a guy who worked as an abductor for a gulag school and he was a convicted child molester.  I wrote an article referring to him but I can't find the original anywhere.  Can anyone help?



-nuiloa"

You may be thinking of Rick Strawn:

http://www.nospank.net/labi.htm

[nuiloa]

Thanks so much; that was exactly what I was looking for.  I appreciate it.

-nuiloa