life program 1990-1991

[Helena Handbasket]

Oh, and I left out "yenz"  :rofl: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =14#144342

On 2005-10-29 12:40:00, Antigen wrote:

"Yup, I know. When I was there, it was still HRS. And still, to this day, when the no-neck's get into a brawl, you can hear them hollering out in the street "No! I'm gonna call HRS on YEEEEWWWWW!" LOL

Yep, you definitely have Florida pegged!

Same fucked up agency, though. And I bet the still own the property at 1401 Cattleman Road, too. It's right at the end of Buena Vista, w/ the back end of the property facing the interstate. Check it out.

I'll check it out sometime in the coming week when I'm back up that way.  I'll let you know.

[Anonymous]

Sean, you were there in 1990?  I left at the begining of 1990.  I was there from 1988 to the beginning of 1990.  Too long!

[Anonymous]

I was at the building today.  Walked through and looked through consignment items, and remembered "the days" there.  I could only laugh. Funny memories.  6 phase dances, TPing staff's cars, canoe and camping trips, practical jokes, christmas caroling, Night Of Joy trips to Disney.
 Funny, I have no torture and cult fashion memories.  Sure I wasn't a happy kid going in, but the good times as I finished FAR outweigh the "bad" times.

[xvipah]

My name's Mike Santangelo.

I was in LIFE in that timeframe, I actually don't remember the actual dates.  I know I graduated High School in '91, and got out of the program not too long before then, so I was definitely there in '91.

Lessee, names I remember...

Staff..  I remember Preston, Nick, and Greg, though I think all 3 of them were gone by the time I got out, they were there when I first went in.

Dave Yarborough I remember, one of the Charleston crew down there.  

Mike Schwab, he stayed with me through both of our 5th and 6th phases, but he was from like, Brandon  I believe.

I remember J.W. McCoullough(sp?).  Someone mentioned Johnathon, the guy with Turets, I remember him.  I remember Jessica and Amber, we came to be fairly good friends after we all 7th stepped.

I keep in touch with an old friend of mine from school Reid, and he's good friends with John(I can't for the life of me remember his last name), apparently he's doing well, as is his sister.

I'm not gonna get in arguments about LIFE, I remember hating it there, hating being there, but I certainly appreciate what they did.  I was quickly heading towards the grave and they stopped that.  Their methods weren't great, but I'm now a healthy, happy, confident person.

History does not record anywhere or at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unkonwn without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author

[TimeBomb]

On 2005-12-09 06:51:00, xvipah wrote:

"My name's Mike Santangelo.



I'm not gonna get in arguments about LIFE, I remember hating it there, hating being there, but I certainly appreciate what they did.  I was quickly heading towards the grave and they stopped that.  Their methods weren't great, but I'm now a healthy, happy, confident person."

Senator McCain seems to be doing pretty good nowadays, and he spent 5 1/2 years in a Vietnamese POW camp.

But at least you admit that "their methods weren't great". I wonder what you mean by that.

[Anonymous]

*shrug*

Like I said, I'm not here to argue with you about it, find someone else if you want to argue cause I'm not that guy.

[xvipah]

Dang it, that was me above, what's with this place and logging people out?  :smile:

If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
--Old Yiddish proverb

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-12-09 19:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"*shrug*



Like I said, I'm not here to argue with you about it, find someone else if you want to argue cause I'm not that guy.  "

I gotta wonder... why assume it's an argument?  

You know, many of us wonder why and how some of our contemporaries were sitting in the same rap, but saw  different things.  Maybe TB was just hoping you could explain that.

[xvipah]

I could be wrong, lord knows it's happened enough in my lifetime  :smile:

I just get the feeling when someone responds to me with:

Senator McCain seems to be doing pretty good nowadays, and he spent 5 1/2 years in a Vietnamese POW camp.

But at least you admit that "their methods weren't great". I wonder what you mean by that.

That he/she is being a bit confrontational, I mean, comparing me saying I'm happy and healthy now to John McCain being in a POW camp isn't exactly an invitation to a friendly chat is it?

Harmlessly passing your time in the grasslands away;
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
you better watchout,
there may be dogs about.
I've looked over Jordan, and have seen.
Things are not what they seem.


--Roger Waters 1977

[TimeBomb]

On 2005-12-09 19:16:00, xvipah wrote:

"Like I said, I'm not here to argue with you about it, find someone else if you want to argue cause I'm not that guy."

I don't like arguing either, but it would be helpful if you could tell us specifically what you meant when you said LIFE's methods weren't great.

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-12-09 19:30:00, xvipah wrote:

"I could be wrong, lord knows it's happened enough in my lifetime  :smile:



I just get the feeling when someone responds to me with:

Senator McCain seems to be doing pretty good nowadays, and he spent 5 1/2 years in a Vietnamese POW camp.



But at least you admit that "their methods weren't great". I wonder what you mean by that.

That he/she is being a bit confrontational, I mean, comparing me saying I'm happy and healthy now to John McCain being in a POW camp isn't exactly an invitation to a friendly chat is it?

Hey, facts are facts, and you can accept as much as you like. The McCain thing is an anaology... You're effectively saying "the methods sucked, but, Praise Petermann, my life is good"... McCain isn't praising the Viet Cong for his success.

[xvipah]

No, what I'm "effectively saying" is this.  

I'm not here to argue about it.

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-12-09 19:46:00, xvipah wrote:

"No, what I'm "effectively saying" is this.  



I'm not here to argue about it.

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

"

Then maybe you should be on e-Bay.  The pendant you're looking for is a representation of a staircase, with a number "7" hollowing out the stairs.

You might also want to hang around here - there's an ex-staffer that happens by every so often.  OH - and there used to be a reunion site....

Yeah, there was a reunion in July of '04, but the reunion site (www.lifereunion.com) died shortly thereafter.  It's a mystery.  I'd think a support base with such healthy constituents would outlast this miscreant group any day.  :grin:

[TimeBomb]

On 2005-12-09 19:46:00, xvipah wrote:

"No, what I'm "effectively saying" is this.  



I'm not here to argue about it."

Well, my main point about McCain was that how you are doing today is not an indicator of wether you were abused or not years ago. Many of us are happy, healthy, and confident, despite what we went through.

Why can't you just back up what you said about LIFE's not so great methods with some details?

[xvipah]

On 2005-12-09 19:32:00, TimeBomb wrote:

"

On 2005-12-09 19:16:00, xvipah wrote:


"Like I said, I'm not here to argue with you about it, find someone else if you want to argue cause I'm not that guy."

I don't like arguing either, but it would be helpful if you could tell us specifically what you meant when you said LIFE's methods weren't great."

Fair enough.

When I say that I don't think LIFE's methods were great I'm referring mostly to the act of "breaking someone down" and the way they went about it.  Humiliation is an effective tool and it certainly worked on me, unfortunately humilation's power tends to fade with time.  However the act of having been humiliated can stay with you for a long time.

However, even after all that, the "rebuilding" phase of LIFE was incomplete.  I won't say they did none, I left the program a pretty confident person, but there was still a lot of old scars and wounds that they never helped heal, they just covered em up with dogma.

I think maybe I got lucky in the fact that not too long after I left I joined the Army, where I got "broken down" again, but rebuilt, I guess you could say correctly, or at least fully?  I think those two experiences, within a year or two of each other, worked well when put together.  Seperately they may not have worked as well, I don't know, but what LIFE didn't do right, the Army did.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688163157/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> John F. Kennedy