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Warning about Hyde School from an educational consultant
Anonymous:
Certainly Judaism is tribal in the sense of being composed of tribes. And I suppose there's an inevitable us/them distinction if for no reason other than that monotheism distinguished the Jews from all the other contemporary religions which were polytheistic. So the potential for intolerance was there, but Judaism as I said does not see itself as superior to other religions. The "chosen people" refers not to some sort of superiority complex but rather to the covenant with God whereby God "chose" the Jews of all peoples to occupy the land of Israel and guaranteed them that land in exchange for their continuing obedience according to the Torah. That's what the fighting is about – not intolerance of other religions.
Learning to see yourself in the other and the other in you is good ethics and is a vital component of Judaism and Christianity. Hillel wrote: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow; that is the whole law (Torah): all the rest is interpretation." Christ said: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." However, that ethic is a necessary but not sufficient condition for Christianity. Chrisitanity has a salvationist framework. In other words, if I don't accept Christ as the messiah, I will not be saved. That's intolerant.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Hyde Guest" ---Certainly Judaism is tribal in the sense of being composed of tribes. And I suppose there's an inevitable us/them distinction if for no reason other than that monotheism distinguished the Jews from all the other contemporary religions which were polytheistic. So the potential for intolerance was there, but Judaism as I said does not see itself as superior to other religions. The "chosen people" refers not to some sort of superiority complex but rather to the covenant with God whereby God "chose" the Jews of all peoples to occupy the land of Israel and guaranteed them that land in exchange for their continuing obedience according to the Torah. That's what the fighting is about – not intolerance of other religions.
Learning to see yourself in the other and the other in you is good ethics and is a vital component of Judaism and Christianity. Hillel wrote: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow; that is the whole law (Torah): all the rest is interpretation." Christ said: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." However, that ethic is a necessary but not sufficient condition for Christianity. Chrisitanity has a salvationist framework. In other words, if I don't accept Christ as the messiah, I will not be saved. That's intolerant.
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> In other words, if I don't accept Christ as the messiah, I will not be saved. That's intolerant.
Christ at the son of god messiah is a product of the council of Nicea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicean_creed. There are a number of other valid views of Christ. As I eluded to before the phase from John " no one can get to ...." is read by the fundamentalist as accept Jesus or burn in Hell. That is not the view of all Christians. As I said before it is as simple as " do you want to go through the door? you have to pass by the door jams." Just what that door is, I can't and won't say. I have no view of what happens to you if you don't do it. I do not believe that there is only one way to pass though. I do not believe you need to accept Christ to do it.
Anonymous:
You suggest that we separate between ethical teachings and the more intolerant aspects of religion, and I respect that. If more people took your view, people of different faiths might start to converge. Take the teachings of Hillel and Christ mentioned above. Hillel says that we must not do bad deeds and Christ says that we must do good deeds. The two ethics are similar: the Christian command “be kind to your neighbor” could be translated to the Jewish commands “don’t walk your dog on your neighbor’s lawn,” “don’t blast the stereo after 11 pm,” etc. The Christian ethic perhaps allows for positive acts of kindness, such as charity and self-sacrifice, in a way that the Jewish ethic doesn’t, while the Jewish ethic has greater specificity and clarity. Each of the two codes of behavior is incomplete by itself and a person could benefit by adhering to both.
I would add, however, that your belief that Christ is not the messiah, or that this belief is a later amendment to Christianity, is your private faith and not representative of your religion. Messianism was introduced by the Hebrew prophets several centuries before Christ. Isaiah, Ezekiel, and others foretold of an anointed one of the Davidic line who would bring about a resurrection of the dead and usher in an age of everlasting peace and prosperity called “the world to come.” This promise of a golden future was a nice way to keep Jews from despairing and abandoning their faith as one foreign power after another conquered Jerusalem and defiled the Temple. Then Christ came along and proclaimed himself the messiah. The Jews rejected his claim. For one thing, Jews don’t believe in an afterlife – this goes back to ancient Judaism’s abhorrence of the Egyptian and Canaanite cults of the dead; in contrast, Jahweh had no relationship with the dead – and Christ was saying that he first had to die in order to return as the messiah. Reread Christ’s sermons, Father Tim! Don’t make me quote all the passages that read “I will come like a bolt of lightning from east to west,” and “I say to you sinners, it would be better if you had never been born.” Already twenty years after the crucifixion Paul was busy contriving Christ’s genealogy to David and preaching that the world would end in his own lifetime, a claim reiterated by all the church fathers till, around the fourth century, Christians became skeptical that the Second Coming was imminent and postponed the event indefinitely. The Nicene Creed of 325 which you cited doesn’t even mention the messiah, but the Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 “looks for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come,” ideas which, believe me, weren’t invented there. It is unimaginable how differently history would have played out if Christ had settled for being a great teacher instead of the messiah.
Anonymous:
>that your belief that Christ is not the messiah
I don't believe that he was not or that he is, it is just not essential to my faith. There are a number of things in the New testament that are of dubious origins, some things that only make sense when view in another context. "The Kingdom of God is at Hand" does that mean the end is near? That was the conclusion that the Paulites come to. What he was saying is "He I am. I am the Kingdom of God" I think there is more Paul then there is Jesus in the Bible. If you think of Christ as a manifestation of God and recall the reason the Jews don't saw the name of God then it is really hard to justify linear thought about Jesus.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "guesttttttt" ---My former step-daughter went to Hyde and the most dangerous thing I found about Hyde was how easily she got away with manipulating and dishonesty and in spite of being called out on it, she continued. She accused her father of physical abuse and her mother called her out on it as an absolute lie, I called her out on it, her dad was devastated over the accusation, and nobody at the "session" seemed to be worried that she just lied, was caught dead to rights, and moved on as if nothing had happened.
Now, several years after graduation, her life skills learned at Hyde have allowed her to flunk out of community college after 3 semesters (and 6 earned credits), had her hooked up with addict after addict, fired from many jobs due to attendance issues (how can you work and drug at the same time), several pregnancy scares, and a general lack of morals. What that kid needed (and still needs) was consistant steady parents (not one self absorbed mother and alcoholic absentee father) and counseling to help with her self esteem.
Did Hyde work for her - no. Why? Because Hyde is just a place for parents to dump the kids they cant handle (She has a choice - Foster care or Hyde) and buy them a very expensive high school diploma. Or it is for parents who buy into the hype and beleive it is a life altering place for their child. Did Hyde let her down? No more than her parents did.
Now as far as the cult like atmosphere. Oh yes, it existed when we were there. Parents who express disaticfaction are treated poorly and forget about the cost and the fact that they also strong arm you for an additional "donation". Smart kids can play the system and get by and the smart parents (who didnt want Junior living back home) play the system as well.
And it is absolutely true that if your child runs away Hyde does tell you not to let them back home. The Gaulds are very full of themselves and Ken and Laura are just as bad. Hardly knew the McCrans (not sure of the spelling but Duncan and his wife) because I personally dropped out of the Hyde parent program then because of what I saw as its absolute failure to do any good.
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They are the opposite of who they pretend to be. The truth and harmony principle always made me laugh.
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