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Warning about Hyde School from an educational consultant
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Hyde Guest" ---Joe has no more use for love and fidelity than a bear would know what to do with a toilet.
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Well, I am not sure that is true either. While I disagree with Joe on many things, he is one of God's creations, and the wisdom of God surpasses man's ability to comprehend. So what is Joe's purpose in God's plan? God only knows. Did he who made the Lamb make thee?
You Brother in Christ's Love
Fr Tim
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"You'll have to forgive us Jews for being a little nervous. Two thousand years of Christian love have worn down our nerves."
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No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
your from the Passion Play in Oberammergau,
Father Tim
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Hyde Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Fr Tim O'Leary S.J." ---
--- Quote from: "Hyde Guest" ---Joe has no more use for love and fidelity than a bear would know what to do with a toilet.
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Well, I am not sure that is true either. While I disagree with Joe on many things, he is one of God's creations, and the wisdom of God surpasses man's ability to comprehend. So what is Joe's purpose in God's plan? God only knows. Did he who made the Lamb make thee?
You Brother in Christ's Love
Fr Tim
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"You'll have to forgive us Jews for being a little nervous. Two thousand years of Christian love have worn down our nerves."
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No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
your from the Passion Play in Oberammergau,
Father Tim
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Talking about faith today is a frightening business. Just the word evokes assassins, the cut throats of women and defenseless babies in villages, bombs and flares that fall killing hundreds of human beings, walls going up, suicide bombings, temples blown to pieces, cities devastated, lives extinguished with cruelty and cynicism. But in the past few centuries it wasn’t like that. Something, perhaps reason, had reined in the homicidal fury that had previously taken possession of those who professed a faith, through slaughters, stakes, tortures, rendering repugnant precisely that motion that had raised man up man from an animal state. So is it all starting over?
Giorgio Pressburger, Prologue to “Sulla fede”
Anonymous:
There is a difference between faith and tribalism. The shia and the sunnis killing each other is not much different then soccer hooliganism. That is hard to tease out especially for Jews and Christians. All the stories after the creation story are based on this tribe and how God chose the tribe and let the tribe smite the enemy when they obeyed god and let the enemy carry them of to Babylon when they were bad. God tell stories in the current vernacular.
Anonymous:
If you are saying that the difference between faith and tribalism is the difference between tolerance and intolerance, I disagree. If you're tracing tribalism to ancient Judaism, I disagree with that too.
To start with the second claim: Israel was a chosen nation, not a universalizing faith. The ancient Jews didn't ever try to conquer and convert the nations. That's not part of Judaism. So there's never been intolerance of other religions on the part of Jews. According to Judaism, the nations have always been eligible for divine favor. In fact, living by the covenant only made it harder for Jews than for the nations to remain in divine favor. So I don't agree with the apparent claim that Judaism, because it is a tribe, is intolerant.
On the other hand, I don't agree with the other apparent claim that faith is tolerant. Unlike Judaism, Christianity and Islam are universalizing religions. In Christian and Muslim eyes, other religions are damned: in those religions there is an afterlife and salvation and members of other faiths are not saved: they go to hell. That sort of mentality leads to intolerance, and worse.
I don't think you can root intolerance out of Christianity and Islam without radically altering those religions into something new. The intolerance is built into the very term "New Testament." I suppose that Islam is the New New Testament; you Christians simply didn't understand your Gospels. Do you accept that? Well, that's how a Jew feels when he hears the words New Testament. If Christianity and Islam were ever freed of their intolerance toward other religions, I doubt you could even call the result Christianity and Islam anymore.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Hyde Guest" ---If you are saying that the difference between faith and tribalism is the difference between tolerance and intolerance, I disagree. If you're tracing tribalism to ancient Judaism, I disagree with that too.
To start with the second claim: Israel was a chosen nation, not a universalizing faith. The ancient Jews didn't ever try to conquer and convert the nations. That's not part of Judaism. So there's never been intolerance of other religions on the part of Jews. According to Judaism, the nations have always been eligible for divine favor. In fact, living by the covenant only made it harder for Jews than for the nations to remain in divine favor. So I don't agree with the apparent claim that Judaism, because it is a tribe, is intolerant.
On the other hand, I don't agree with the other apparent claim that faith is tolerant. Unlike Judaism, Christianity and Islam are universalizing religions. In Christian and Muslim eyes, other religions are damned: in those religions there is an afterlife and salvation and members of other faiths are not saved: they go to hell. That sort of mentality leads to intolerance, and worse.
I don't think you can root intolerance out of Christianity and Islam without radically altering those religions into something new. The intolerance is built into the very term "New Testament." I suppose that Islam is the New New Testament; you Christians simply didn't understand your Gospels. Do you accept that? Well, that's how a Jew feels when he hears the words New Testament. If Christianity and Islam were ever freed of their intolerance toward other religions, I doubt you could even call the result Christianity and Islam anymore.
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> If you're tracing tribalism to ancient Judaism
It is tribal, the Pentateuch is the story of tribes. It is based on the us vs them dialectic (and after all isn't that what the fighting is all about) . Tribalism is not by it's own nature intolerant. The Quakers for example are a tribe, but tolerant. My assertion is that once you have established Red Sox vs Yankees for example you have the potential for intolerance. It is my belief that a faith that brings you to enlightenment, helps you see you in the other and vice versa. So notions like the fundamentalist assertion that you must accept Christ and spread the word of Christ are gross distortions and only aid in the continuation of the gash on the body of humanity that Christ seeks to heal. It is in fact anti Christian.
>I don't think you can root intolerance out of Christianity
Well I would stipulate to that if you are defining Christianity as the historic organizations that killed folk for thing like being Jews. Christianity as a true understanding of the teachings of Christ is not intolerant any more then Judaism is intolerant. Christ was a Jew. When he said "no one get to the father except though me" what he was saying was he was a physical manifestation of the presence of the father. You can no more get to the Father with out going through Christ then you can go to temple with out walking between the pillars that hold the door. When you begin to look at the saying of Christ especially from an unadulterated source, like the Gospel of Thomas, in that light, they really starts to make sense. At least it did for me. YMMV
>Islam
I don't know shit about Islam so I can't comment.
go in Peace my son
Fr Tim
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