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NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS
tommyfromhyde1:
Actualy, I don't remember that one because I was on cross country that fall. I did get sharked though. The worst thing about the sports was that by the time study hall came around, just before lights out, I was just totally drained. My studies suffered horribly because of it.
Here's freedom to him who would read;
Here's freedom to him who would write;
None ever feared that the truth should be heard,
But them that the truth would indict.
--author unknown (circa 1914)
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-26 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
I don't believe I said nothing you had to say was valid, I simply questioned your presence and motives on this site, since you had never been to Hyde and had no personal frame of reference. (And I don't believe I used the words "confused or resentful", so maybe you could find a link to that to refresh our recollection. I could have, but doubt it.)
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Well, I think I've made that pretty clear already. But here goes, once again. I've read about Hyde and find some of it's methods very similar to my own experience. Some ppl from Hyde have read up on other programs and also find some common ground. So, in an effort to learn more and better understand the whole thing, I sometimes like to talk to ppl who know something about Hyde.
Make sense?
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If you look at this letter YES, it comes off as arrogant. But if you put it in context, which is families in crisis, and really read what he's saying, I read it as:
1. Your family is at Hyde because it is in crisis (typically) and thus there is a good chance that whatever you are doing is not working.
2. Hyde has a system. You have to give us some latitude and time to let it work. If you don't or you fight us, our experience is that little in your family will change (unless you find another modality of transformation).
3. The last sentence speaks for itself
--- Quote ---question Hyde, but don't second-guess it, simply find another school.
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Uh, yeah, well, even toned down like that, that's pretty fucking arrogant, don't you think? It's easy to believe that all the dissenters go on to lead worthless, failing lives if you shun them and reject everything they have to say. That's yet another way in which Hyde is very similar to the Seed line of programs.
But it's just not the truth, sorry.
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In fact, I regularly remember Joe Gauld showing people the door, and challenging them. If they didn't trust, if they weren't open to trying something different, then simply leave. Its as easy as that. No captives. No one is locked in their rooms. The don't (didn't) chase run-aways or have students guarding other students like I heard they did at Seeds (but don't really know).
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While, as another poster notes, he's already gotten the kids' family to agree to disown him as a means of coercing compliance in the Program. Gee, now where have I heard that before!
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In any event, you can try and use this letter to validate your presence and claim Hyde=Seeds.
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Oh, thank you for giving me permission. And w/o having to go through the chain of command, too! I feel special! But that's not exactly what I was going to put in for permission to do. If it's not too much trouble, could you OK my permission to discuss Hyde w/ people (other than you) who have been there? And, now I know this is really pushing it and I don't want consequences, but can I please have permission to form my own opinions?
Thanks in advance
The farmer who you're cussin' w/ your mouth full.
--- Quote ---Everything I ever heard about Seeds sounded much worse than Hyde, but again, since I don't know Seeds I won't make a comparison, because it lacks any real basis other than some minor reading I have done on that stream.
To that end I also won't go on the Seeds stream and talk about something that I know nothing about.
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Brilliant! Just as long as you keep on avoiding any information, why then you can just go on believing that there's no similarity whatever, must be just all in my over active imagination.
:rofl: Darlin', this may come as a total and utter shock to you, but we have frequent posters on the Seed forum who are just as dedicated and sincere in their support for the Seed and Art as you are in your suppport for Hyde. But there's absolutely no valid similarity, no siree Bob, not at all. Oh, you're gonna laugh so hard when you finally get the punch line! Well, maybe not. But I know some people will probably get a big kick out of it.
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Antigen, I think your website is important. SERIOUSLY IMPORTANT. I also trust your motives and think you have a good heart. I just don't think its fair (IMHO) to transpose your experience on whatever you think Hyde is about."
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You just keep on telling yourself that instead.
A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.
--Anonymous
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Anonymous:
Think what you want, the letter Joe Gauld sent out to parents tells it all!! Cult, Cult, Cult!!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-26 12:43:00, Antigen wrote:
"On 2005-11-26 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
I don't believe I said nothing you had to say was valid, I simply questioned your presence and motives on this site, since you had never been to Hyde and had no personal frame of reference. (And I don't believe I used the words "confused or resentful", so maybe you could find a link to that to refresh our recollection. I could have, but doubt it.)
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You didn't answer the question. Again.
--- Quote ---So, in an effort to learn more and better understand the whole thing, I sometimes like to talk to ppl who know something about Hyde.
Make sense?
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So let me get this right. Statements like:
--- Quote --- Joe Guald is in the business of utterly destroyoing and replacing familial affection, tradition and authority.
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...aren't really an opinion or advocacy based on chosing which posters you believe or don't believe, this is just and attempt to "learn more and better understand the whole thing"?
--- Quote ---Uh, yeah, well, even toned down like that, that's pretty fucking arrogant, don't you think? It's easy to believe that all the dissenters go on to lead worthless, failing lives if you shun them and reject everything they have to say. That's yet another way in which Hyde is very similar to the Seed line of programs.
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If you have a system that requires a leap of faith, then you need to motivate people to make that leap. Call it arrogance or whatever you want, but the truth is, for a lot of families, this was the truth.
Moreso the letter says nothing about what will happen to you if you leave ("lead a worthless life" etc.), so your comparrison to Seeds seems misplaced. The creation and dissection of a straw man if you will.
--- Quote ---While, as another poster notes, he's already gotten the kids' family to agree to disown him as a means of coercing compliance in the Program. Gee, now where have I heard that before!
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Actually, they aren't asked to disown their kids. They are asked to not accept them back into their house and force them to make their own way in the world. It may be the school of hard knocks, but it worked for many (and failed some as well).
--- Quote ---Oh, thank you for giving me permission. And w/o having to go through the chain of command, too! I feel special! But that's not exactly what I was going to put in for permission to do. If it's not too much trouble, could you OK my permission to discuss Hyde w/ people (other than you) who have been there?
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Discuss away. You have my permission. But when you opine about it, then I would like permission to take issue with you since you weren't there, base your conclusions on whichever anonymous posts you choose to believe, and are otherwise a person who has a vested interest in advocating for the Troubled Teen industry.
--- Quote ---And, now I know this is really pushing it and I don't want consequences, but can I please have permission to form my own opinions?
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Why go there? Did you really think I was being that patronizing?
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Antigen, I think your website is important. SERIOUSLY IMPORTANT. I also trust your motives and think you have a good heart. I just don't think its fair (IMHO) to transpose your experience on whatever you think Hyde is about."
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--- Quote ---You just keep on telling yourself that instead."
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Once again I try and offer an olive branch and acknowledge that this site actually has value....maybe dramatic value....and you see the negative. Whatever Anti. Sorry you are so bitter. Good heart or not, that can't be a fun place to live.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-26 10:52:00, Lars wrote:
"And while we're on the topic, I also recall a couple of faculty members getting in my face in a very threatening way, as if they were going to assault me (Don MacMillan & Gary Kent). Totally inappropriate. It wouldn't suprise me to find out that stuff like that still happens.
As for Joe G.? He's a drunken (I smelled it on his breath several times) egomaniac bully. F%^k him and the horse he rode in on!
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Some things never change Lars. Don McMillan was the same one who around 4 or 5 years ago attacked a student during Family Weekend!! He grabbed him around the neck and pinned him against the wall. It is unbelievable that this man has a history of this type of assaults on students, and yet the school keeps him in a high position.
IMHO Hyde overlooks lots of bad behavior by their staff, especially the ones who are related to the Gauld family or have been friends with them for years. McMillan is one of those! Same thing happened with Mr Dubinsky. Did you know him when you went to Hyde? He is the one someone else wrote about in another post. I complained to one of the advisors at Hyde about Dubinsky, but they put it back in my lap and told me I should tell him he was making me feel uncomfortable. Can you imagine this kind of response? They wouldn't do a thing about him bothering all of us. He was considered "family."
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