Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS
Anonymous:
Check out the Hyde Alumni News which I just received in the mail today 11/21/05 (does anyone at Hyde know how to spell Alumni corrctly - do they teach Latin there? - NO)
Anyway, - check out the "alumni news" FROM 1967 to 2005 - it is just four and one half pages...........and if you read this, much of it is "condolences" to fill the pages - and other bits are that a "Gauld" or "someone" attended a reunion" -
If this doesn't get the message to current concerned parents and to those who are even THINKING about Hyde, then nothing else will.
The glossy magazine is 47 pages - all HYPE but for the 4 1/2 pages of FORTY years of "class news"
CAVEAT - just read that Holly Thompson is head of the LEAD program - and that this is special ed help for your child with hands-on help, etc. - for this you spend several EXTRA thousands - WE did and it is nothing but a mandatory study hall in the evenings - No one was there to "tutor" or "help" - there were random staff assigned each night - it was just a hodge-podge of kids thrown into a room because their parents paid for it - there was NO help at all - caveat emptor....
If the Gaulds removed their name from any one of their publications, one would find that the publication was impressively slim and then not worth printing. Their name permeates every publication and "hype" effort - PLEASE don't support this family that is ALREADY living on the millions of dollars given STUPIDLY too their cult!!
Anonymous:
Millions? Please!! The Gaulds are actually making BILLIONS and I know this as a FACT. Its verifiable too, all you have to do is ask Malcolm. If he says no, since we know everything he says is a lie, well, there you have it. Proof positive.
He's actually not even trying to hide it. Last time I was up there Malcolm was flashing some serious bling and driving a mazerati. (Personally, I thought the cane and cape were a little over the top, but hey, ya gotta allow for personaly discretion in some of these things.)
How shameful.
That and the skant 4.5 pages of alumni news too. Surely they have a bigger font, right? What a collosal blunder to not use it!
Kudos to this poster. Way to keep them on their toes. Your finely honed analysis and rigorous honesty are a testament to the Detractors Of Hyde (aka "DOH").
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-22 21:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Millions? Please!! The Gaulds are actually making BILLIONS and I know this as a FACT. Its verifiable too, all you have to do is ask Malcolm. If he says no, since we know everything he says is a lie, well, there you have it. Proof positive.
He's actually not even trying to hide it. Last time I was up there Malcolm was flashing some serious bling and driving a mazerati. (Personally, I thought the cane and cape were a little over the top, but hey, ya gotta allow for personaly discretion in some of these things.)
How shameful.
That and the skant 4.5 pages of alumni news too. Surely they have a bigger font, right? What a collosal blunder to not use it!
Kudos to this poster. Way to keep them on their toes. Your finely honed analysis and rigorous honesty are a testament to the Detractors Of Hyde (aka "DOH")."
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I too think everyone needs to be careful about how they criticize Hyde. I think it's very fair to make comments about Hyde's model and misguided approach to education. On this website there are many fair and thoughtful criticisms about Hyde's cult qualities, unskilled staff (some, not all), terribly negligent handling of students' mental health issues, abusive and destructive seminar format, Joe Gauld's arrogance and hypocrisy, unusually high admission and high attrition rates, and so on.
But, I don't think anyone should be making allegations about the Gaulds' income, the school's fiscal balance, or any other matters about which we don't know the facts. This is unfair and hits below the belt. I would encourage everyone to limit their criticisms to their own personal experiences and observations. Personal opinion is fine so long as it can be backed up with actual experiences and facts. Anything else is pure and unfair speculation and conjecture.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-21 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-21 01:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-20 22:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You left out the time when one of the Gauld family, (through marriage) attacked a student. I would not doubt if the student provoked it, but I would hope someone in this man's position would be able to keep his cool. He apologized to the school afterwards, but what does this tell you about the quality of the administrators? "
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Since you're a tad short on the facts, not much."
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So if I am "tad" short on the facts, why don't you clear it up. What justifies an administrator pushing a kid against a wall and choking them?
As far as Paul Hurd not giving Malcolm credit, if he didn't do anything wrong then why did the school send out letters to everyone explaining that he was leaving because of the incident?
I am very happy there is someone on this board who obviously is a part of Hyde. I hope you are willing to clear up what you say are misconceptions."
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1. Your statement about not knowing if the student provoked it suggests you don't know the details. Without those, your post is meaningless. In your follow on post you add new facts about choking the student. Again, we don't know what led up to it, but if a student is a danger to himself or others, that would certainly justify physical restraint in my book. Beyond that, I would need the details of the incident to evaluate it. Hence my comment that your post is basically meaningless.
2. The Paul Hurd incident was confusing to me. Malcolm's letter said conflicting things. Yes, I gave this stuff to Paul to use as he saw fit. No, he should not have used them and it was plagarism and is being removed (or stepping down). I presume since this was Mal's brother in law, he was just throwing him a bone, but didn't read it all closely enough to think about it more.
As I've written before, the Paul Hurd incident to me is not evidence of Hyde being bad. There is no school in the country not rocked by sexual assault, rape an other outrageous behavior by supervisorial adults. And like the catholic church, many remove the teacher without legal action to avoid scandal. Hyde did not have to deal with this situation so openly....but instead said, hey, we believe in honesty and openness, so we are going to let you in on an embarassing thing that hurts us all, but to be consistent, this is how we must handle it.
They aired their dirty laundry publicly and openly and handled the situation responsibly.
That, to me, is evidence of their integrity.
That, to me, is evidence of Hyde's leadership.
You can spin it how you want, but what didn't happen was Hyde trying to keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug. Instead it sent a letter to the entire alumni community....not just current family and students. Personally, I don't know if I would have ever found out about it, but for their aggressive exemplary behavior. I tipped my hat to Hyde for this one.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-24 06:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-21 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-21 01:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-20 22:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You left out the time when one of the Gauld family, (through marriage) attacked a student. I would not doubt if the student provoked it, but I would hope someone in this man's position would be able to keep his cool. He apologized to the school afterwards, but what does this tell you about the quality of the administrators? "
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Since you're a tad short on the facts, not much."
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So if I am "tad" short on the facts, why don't you clear it up. What justifies an administrator pushing a kid against a wall and choking them?
As far as Paul Hurd not giving Malcolm credit, if he didn't do anything wrong then why did the school send out letters to everyone explaining that he was leaving because of the incident?
I am very happy there is someone on this board who obviously is a part of Hyde. I hope you are willing to clear up what you say are misconceptions."
--- End quote ---
1. Your statement about not knowing if the student provoked it suggests you don't know the details. Without those, your post is meaningless. In your follow on post you add new facts about choking the student. Again, we don't know what led up to it, but if a student is a danger to himself or others, that would certainly justify physical restraint in my book. Beyond that, I would need the details of the incident to evaluate it. Hence my comment that your post is basically meaningless.
2. The Paul Hurd incident was confusing to me. Malcolm's letter said conflicting things. Yes, I gave this stuff to Paul to use as he saw fit. No, he should not have used them and it was plagarism and is being removed (or stepping down). I presume since this was Mal's brother in law, he was just throwing him a bone, but didn't read it all closely enough to think about it more.
As I've written before, the Paul Hurd incident to me is not evidence of Hyde being bad. There is no school in the country not rocked by sexual assault, rape an other outrageous behavior by supervisorial adults. And like the catholic church, many remove the teacher without legal action to avoid scandal. Hyde did not have to deal with this situation so openly....but instead said, hey, we believe in honesty and openness, so we are going to let you in on an embarassing thing that hurts us all, but to be consistent, this is how we must handle it.
They aired their dirty laundry publicly and openly and handled the situation responsibly.
That, to me, is evidence of their integrity.
That, to me, is evidence of Hyde's leadership.
You can spin it how you want, but what didn't happen was Hyde trying to keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug. Instead it sent a letter to the entire alumni community....not just current family and students. Personally, I don't know if I would have ever found out about it, but for their aggressive exemplary behavior. I tipped my hat to Hyde for this one."
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I agree that Hyde deserves credit for handling the Hurd incident openly. And, I'm sure there are other instances where Hyde deserves similar credit. Fine.
However, there's so much more that Hyde doesn't handle openly, and this is what leads to so much public criticism, controversy and skepticism among educational consultants. For example, to what extent has Hyde openly acknowledged:
1. The number of kids Hyde enrolls who have major mental health and substance abuse issues.
2. The fact that Hyde has not employed mental health professionals to respond to these students' needs (in recent years there's only been a part-time person to facilitate a substance abuse group)
3. Hyde's expectation that parents and students will disclose intimate details in seminars that often lead to major personal distress and conflict, all without any trained professional in the room to help manage some very disturbing incidents.
4. Hyde's attrition rate.
5. The number of kids who run away from Hyde.
6. The academic backgrounds and "qualifications" of Hyde's faculty (some of whom seem to have very uneven, unimpressive academic backgrounds and teaching experience).
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