Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS
Troll Control:
I agree that this article about Hyde is very disturbing (http://www.educationnext.org/20051/22.html). The author seems to understand how destructive and cult-ish Hyde can be, while acknowledging that some students may have some beneficial experiences. The author also seems to understand how this (largely) family run business shuts out much of the rest of the world and marches to its own drummer. No wonder so many people view it as a cult that's dominated by so many narrow-minded staff.
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I have a customer/friend who's little step-brother got sent to Hyde. Kid wasn't bad, really, just flunking out and agreed that maybe he needed a little more structure. He agreed to go to Hyde. It was the parents who sensed something not right. They went to the first required parent weekend and found it cultish and weird. The older step daughter (my customer) knew I was into researching these places and asked me about it. I told her Hyde was not among the worst, but it seems to be a cultish little program. No so bad as Elan. But not real wholesome, either.
They had already decided to pull him out at the end of the semester when he refused a weekend off campus because he thought he had been bad and needed to spend the entire weekend praying. They pulled him immediately. No regrets. They seem to be of the opinion that Hyde was brainwashing their kid. Turns out, the kid was just depressed, and thus quite succeptable to manipulation aimed at gaining better access to the family forture.
Watch yourself! Best bet! It's summer. Take a much needed vacation and go camping with your kid. What a concept, eh?
Antigen:
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Now, connect the dots. What sort of deeply disturbing private matter would a guy like Jesse Jean have to share in group w/ your 12yo daughter? How would you like to have him leading a parent seminar when some mousy, shy little guy insists he's got nothing he'd like to talk about? I bet he could be a very, very effective LGA facilitator.
I am not a great believer in school. School is primarily an institution for the perpetuation of adolescence...The thought that school educates is not one I have accepted yet...Thank God I am not young. I could not survive this horror.
--Peter F. Drucker
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HydeFan:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-07 15:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"HydeFan seems to be getting more and more desperate to distort the truth. On another thread he does a great sales pitch for Hyde, but the problem is what he says is not the truth. I grant him that there are some truthful points he makes, but not many. To go through each one and debate is a waste of time that I don't have.
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Actually, not desparate at all. I started a new threat to simply tell my piece and leave the rest to the parents to decide.
--- Quote ---I have a life and a career no thanks to Hyde and find it impressive that HydeFan spends so much time trying to defend an institution that clearly has always had many flaws.
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Thank you. My purpose in writing a separate stream was to return to my life while the rats keep eating the trash.
--- Quote ---As far as the school being open for anyone to see, HydeFan knows this is not true and that no potential student or parent will ever be allowed in a seminar. HydeFan will say this is because of privacy, but the fact remains that many times what is done in these seminars is destructive and harmful! These "group leaders" allow the level of these seminars to get to a very dangerous point and I do not believe the outside world will ever be privleged to see one unless Hyde sets a controlled one up with selecting the participants, the same way they set up the tours with their star students.
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Actually, what I said above is, that if Hyde won't let you see one of these seminars or any part of Hyde and that troubles you and you can't see their intrinsic purpose and potential value, DON'T GO THERE.
--- Quote ---My question to HydeFan is, why are you going to such great lengths to try to prove all the other posters wrong? Doesn't seem that you have let go of your control and dominance! At least the other posters point out the negatives and positives of Hyde.
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I think I have pointed out many negatives about Hyde. It is not a panacea and is not for everyone. But I am also not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.
--- Quote ---You simply dispute any negatives and want the public to believe that Hyde is an Oasis if you do the work that Hyde expects. This is not so and you know it!!
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On the last point, I think it is so, and in my experience, it was so.
--- Quote ---HydeFan, you give the perfect impression of Hyde. A CULT
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I am actually hoping to give the impression of a rounded, reasonable, thoughtful person who is willing to stand up for what he believes in, even in a forum where the premise virtually pre-determines the outcome.
The real question is, why am I such a threat to you? Why not just go back to your own posts?
HydeFan:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-07 16:05:00, Antigen wrote:
" :scared:
Now, connect the dots. What sort of deeply disturbing private matter would a guy like Jesse Jean have to share in group w/ your 12yo daughter? How would you like to have him leading a parent seminar when some mousy, shy little guy insists he's got nothing he'd like to talk about? I bet he could be a very, very effective LGA facilitator.
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Antigen, who has never been to Hyde or had any real involvement is now raising the spector that an older man might be placed in a group with a 12 year old girl and then say something horrifically inappropriate.
Your post is completely made up, inflammatory, based on things that don't happen at Hyde.
The spector of the deranged older man (which Jesse is not....listen to his story on NPR) being in a room with a 12-year old girl and sharing something inappropriate is distasteful beyond words.
You never went to Hyde and you know from little to nothing about it.
Folks, at least when I was there, the seminars were peer seminars. At times there are school seminars, but I was never exposed to anything there that I had not heard or seen before.....or had not wished my family had the courage to talk about.
And if you don't think your son or daughter is exposed to EVERYTHING about life in junior high and high school, including trouble kids, you haven't visited either in a long time. (And if your primary desire is to shelter your child, send them to prep school. Hyde clearly isn't for you.)
This post is classic for the type of mis-information you will get on this site.
[ This Message was edited by: HydeFan on 2005-10-07 19:29 ]
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