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« Reply #270 on: December 18, 2005, 05:38:00 PM »
Please pass the KOOL AID!
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« Reply #271 on: December 18, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-18 13:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Anchor Academy saved my life"


Kendall Jackson saved my life!  If not for staying home and having a glass o' grapes, I may have been hit by a bus!  I could have been hit in the head by a chunk of flying debris, and suffered brain damage!  I was actually thinking about robbing a bank, but that glass of wine saved me from prison!

I owe my life, health and freedom to Kendall Jackson!

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« Reply #272 on: December 18, 2005, 07:23:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-18 15:39:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"I don't own my life to the Jackson 5.

That damn Kool Aid at least better have some everclear in it.


"Kendall Jackson" is a brand of wine... and it tastes better than KoolAid and Everclear :grin:
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« Reply #273 on: January 16, 2006, 10:44:00 PM »
You really need to consider the fact that the government and county facilities that are available for delinquent boys are all risks for our boys.  When a boy starts violating laws and rebelling against the rules of home and society you can go to court and they will either put him in a detention center, a group facility or a foster home.  All of which, I must inform you, are placing your child at risk for sexual abuse.  I am a social worker in the field of child welfare and a faith based facility that had an incident is no news in this helping field. Not to take sexual abuse lightly, or any abuse lightly, but it happens.  All the programs have stuff happen, they deal with it, and plug forward.  You really need to realize that.  I had a three year old sexually abused in a foster home.  This is very painful to know that this kinda thing could happen.  Does that mean we need to shut down foster care all together? NO.  We still need foster care and faith based facilities like Anchor, etc.  Be realistic and stop trying to shut down options.  These options may not be the ideal, but the human situations and social problems we deal with are not ideal either, and there is no perfect solution coming from a social worker in the field since 1995. These placed do turn kids around and give hope.  Stop trying to take that  hope away.
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« Reply #274 on: January 16, 2006, 10:53:00 PM »
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These placed do turn kids around and give hope.

Evidence, please?

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Stop trying to take that hope away.


It's false hope, darlin. Sorry to be the bearer of that sad news. But I'd be sorrier still to just keep it to myself.

The TC method (or confrontational therapy or group meliu or LGA... by any name) is not only ineffective, it can be quite harmful. It also fosters an environment ripe for abuse by secluding potential victims, keeping them in a weakened psychological and emotional state and by virtue of the prime directive of such a program, "the program is always right, the kid is always wrong".

They make big bucks by convincing parents, juvenile judges and others in positions of authority that they're safe and effective. But you just go and find the peer reviewed studies to prove it out. Ga' head. I dare ya. They don't exist.


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« Reply #275 on: January 16, 2006, 11:03:00 PM »
I have proof of the environment at Anchor.

My wife and I sent our son to Anchor a year and a half ago. When he was sent, he had been through drug rehab and we were pressured out of removing him from 2 public schools. He was on his way out of high school as he threatened teachers and eventually ran away only because he was grounded for cheating on a test.

These types of activities had been going on for years. After we took him to anchor, we found drawings of gross sexual acts and drawings of him murdering his mother. Yes, he drew these.

What has happened since then? Our son has respect for people. More importantly, he has a sense of pride and self-esteem. He takes responsibility for his actions and how they impact other people.

Our son will never be perfect and he will battle with his challenges just as we all battle with our own challenges. I can say that he is no longer on the road he was on. I know we will not get a call from the police informing us that he has been murdered or arrested for involvement in drugs or violence.

On our son's last visit home we told him that he no longer needed to stay at anchor if he didn't want to. We told him he was welcome home whenever he wanted to return. He made the choice to return to anchor.

We talk to Dennis on a weekly basis and I believe that Dennis cares for what he does. He cares for the welfare of all the boys in the program. He thoughtfully processes information to do what is best for the boy's self-esteem.

I thank Dennis for operating the program in Montana. He has his work cut out for him. His ministry, through God, saved our son.

-Proud Father
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« Reply #276 on: January 16, 2006, 11:07:00 PM »
It's obvious that you have a problem with Christians in general.
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« Reply #277 on: January 17, 2006, 12:05:00 AM »
You're grasping at straws. Some of my favorite people on the planet happen to be Christians. But they don't condone or participate in brainwashing children (or adults, for that matter)

By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
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« Reply #278 on: January 17, 2006, 12:38:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-16 20:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have proof of the environment at Anchor.



My wife and I sent our son to Anchor a year and a half ago. When he was sent, he had been through drug rehab and we were pressured out of removing him from 2 public schools. He was on his way out of high school as he threatened teachers and eventually ran away only because he was grounded for cheating on a test.



These types of activities had been going on for years. After we took him to anchor, we found drawings of gross sexual acts and drawings of him murdering his mother. Yes, he drew these.

Gross sexual acts? You mean something other than the missionary position while wearing bunny slippers?

And if I could draw - it would be quite cathartic to put my mother out of her misery on the canvas since she's fucked up my entire day and now lies drunk on my couch... and I'm 36.

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What has happened since then? Our son has respect for people. More importantly, he has a sense of pride and self-esteem. He takes responsibility for his actions and how they impact other people.



Wow... four program terms in three sentences!  How does one measure "pride" and "self esteem"?

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Our son will never be perfect and he will battle with his challenges just as we all battle with our own challenges. I can say that he is no longer on the road he was on. I know we will not get a call from the police informing us that he has been murdered or arrested for involvement in drugs or violence.

uh uh uh! Supposed to say STRUGGLE, not "Battle"! "Battle"???  Didn't they teach you anything in the parent meetings?

But anyway... so let me get this straight:  Because your son went to Anchor, he will never be murdered.  Maybe we should send infants to Anchor to guarantee their safety?

He will never be arrested for involvement in drugs or violence?  Really?

Funny... many of us were incarcerated on a screwed up parent's word alone.  No questions asked.  Just ask the lady sleeping on my couch.

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On our son's last visit home we told him that he no longer needed to stay at anchor if he didn't want to. We told him he was welcome home whenever he wanted to return. He made the choice to return to anchor.

Made the choice?  I wonder what the consequences would be if he didn't

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We talk to Dennis on a weekly basis and I believe that Dennis cares for what he does. He cares for the welfare of all the boys in the program. He thoughtfully processes information to do what is best for the boy's self-esteem.



I thank Dennis for operating the program in Montana. He has his work cut out for him. His ministry, through God, saved our son.


Funny... do you remember your son's name?  I can see you protecting his anonymity, but this seems to be all about "Dennis" and your "relief" rather than the guy that's going thru it.

And furthermore,

    We never said that the program wouldn't succesfully make your kid into a Stepford kid, what we said is that it's abusive and even if you don't CARE if it's abusive, the trauma from the program will cause problems 3-5 years later.  The real test would be - once of he's out of the program's control and the program by proxy (the parents), if he reverts back to his old behavor - acts out or not.

    - Niles by proxy

Immortality: A toy which people cry for, And on their knees apply for, Dispute, contend and lie for, And if allowed Would be right proud Eternally to die for.
--Ambrose Bierce

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« Reply #279 on: January 17, 2006, 03:31:00 AM »
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These types of activities had been going on for years. After we took him to anchor, we found drawings of gross sexual acts and drawings of him murdering his mother. Yes, he drew these.


 :rofl:  :rofl:

Oh shit man... this is why I come to fornits. LMFAO.











Can you scan those pictures for us?  :em:
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« Reply #280 on: January 17, 2006, 08:09:00 AM »
Do you think that attacking me and making fun of how I construct my phrases will really further your efforts? No one will take you seriously and I'm sure no one does. If you care about the boys in Montana then you should get off your lazy butt and do something about it. If they are being abused, then collect evidence and let the authorities know. That is how you do things in this country.

I do remember my son's name. We talk to him several times a week. No, I'm not going to say his name on here. That was done on purpose. Why would I put his name on a publicly read site when I aired his past mistakes?

I wrote one paragraph about Dennis and his efforts, how does that make it all about Dennis? Is it because we talk to him once a week? We talk to him about our son and his progress. You can play with my words all you want and attack me all you want but if those boys in Montana are being abused then maybe you should take a serious logical stand and do something about it.

What is your alternative? You attach Anchor but you have not given the alternative. It is proven that prisons and government ran programs are worse. What is your alternative?

My son, while he was in our home on a visit, was told he could stay. What would the consequence be? LOL, do you think we would have beaten him if he stayed? Do you think Anchor has the time and the resources to track him down and drag him back? I would like to hear your thoughts, since you are so wise, as to what the consequences would have been. If you could try to make your arguments logical and discuss the subject instead of attacking my words and me, that would be great.

If a convicted drug dealer went to prison and straighten himself up does he become a Stepford son/husband whatever? I presume that he would only be labeled a Stepford if he claimed Christianity as his religion. It is obvious everyone who attacks anchor hates God or the idea of God. Just think, if you would have been logical and acted as if you had any sense or humbleness, someone might listen to you. Someone might take you seriously.

I am not sure why you minimized and made fun of my son's efforts while he was at anchor. I am not sure why you find it funny and call him a Stepford son because he realized that his past actions were no good for him. That is true even if you remove the element of Christianity. Doing drugs, raping girls, threatening to murder people is no good for anyone and if they stop doing these things, regardless of whether it is through Christianity, Buddhism, or whatever, it is a victory. What I can say is that I am 100 percent grateful that he was never submitted to your care because I would hate to see the results.

I challenge you to give up whatever it is you have in your life and open a school to help troubled teens. Can you do it better? Do you even care enough to do it? I doubt it.


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On 2006-01-16 20:03:00, Anonymous wrote:



"I have proof of the environment at Anchor.







My wife and I sent our son to Anchor a year and a half ago. When he was sent, he had been through drug rehab and we were pressured out of removing him from 2 public schools. He was on his way out of high school as he threatened teachers and eventually ran away only because he was grounded for cheating on a test.







These types of activities had been going on for years. After we took him to anchor, we found drawings of gross sexual acts and drawings of him murdering his mother. Yes, he drew these.




Gross sexual acts? You mean something other than the missionary position while wearing bunny slippers?



And if I could draw - it would be quite cathartic to put my mother out of her misery on the canvas since she's fucked up my entire day and now lies drunk on my couch... and I'm 36.



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What has happened since then? Our son has respect for people. More importantly, he has a sense of pride and self-esteem. He takes responsibility for his actions and how they impact other people.








Wow... four program terms in three sentences!  How does one measure "pride" and "self esteem"?



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Our son will never be perfect and he will battle with his challenges just as we all battle with our own challenges. I can say that he is no longer on the road he was on. I know we will not get a call from the police informing us that he has been murdered or arrested for involvement in drugs or violence.


 

uh uh uh! Supposed to say STRUGGLE, not "Battle"! "Battle"???  Didn't they teach you anything in the parent meetings?



But anyway... so let me get this straight:  Because your son went to Anchor, he will never be murdered.  Maybe we should send infants to Anchor to guarantee their safety?



He will never be arrested for involvement in drugs or violence?  Really?



Funny... many of us were incarcerated on a screwed up parent's word alone.  No questions asked.  Just ask the lady sleeping on my couch.



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On our son's last visit home we told him that he no longer needed to stay at anchor if he didn't want to. We told him he was welcome home whenever he wanted to return. He made the choice to return to anchor.




Made the choice?  I wonder what the consequences would be if he didn't



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We talk to Dennis on a weekly basis and I believe that Dennis cares for what he does. He cares for the welfare of all the boys in the program. He thoughtfully processes information to do what is best for the boy's self-esteem.







I thank Dennis for operating the program in Montana. He has his work cut out for him. His ministry, through God, saved our son.




Funny... do you remember your son's name?  I can see you protecting his anonymity, but this seems to be all about "Dennis" and your "relief" rather than the guy that's going thru it.



And furthermore,



    We never said that the program wouldn't succesfully make your kid into a Stepford kid, what we said is that it's abusive and even if you don't CARE if it's abusive, the trauma from the program will cause problems 3-5 years later.  The real test would be - once of he's out of the program's control and the program by proxy (the parents), if he reverts back to his old behavor - acts out or not.



    - Niles by proxy

Immortality: A toy which people cry for, And on their knees apply for, Dispute, contend and lie for, And if allowed Would be right proud Eternally to die for.

--Ambrose Bierce

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« Reply #281 on: January 17, 2006, 08:13:00 AM »
Brainwashing? Please help me to understand how teaching someone to think different about their actions is negative brainwashing?  

What are doing when you tell children over and over how to be a good person? Or not to do certain things, that is brainwashing.

Please give some concrete examples. Brainwashing is pretty general.

Also, what alternative do you propose?




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On 2006-01-16 21:05:00, Antigen wrote:

"You're grasping at straws. Some of my favorite people on the planet happen to be Christians. But they don't condone or participate in brainwashing children (or adults, for that matter)

By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist


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« Reply #282 on: January 17, 2006, 08:15:00 AM »
LOL, when someone does give evidence, you attack them and their words. So whats the point?

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On 2006-01-16 19:44:00, tk wrote:


These placed do turn kids around and give hope.




Evidence, please?



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Stop trying to take that hope away.



It's false hope, darlin. Sorry to be the bearer of that sad news. But I'd be sorrier still to just keep it to myself.



The TC method (or confrontational therapy or group meliu or LGA... by any name) is not only ineffective, it can be quite harmful. It also fosters an environment ripe for abuse by secluding potential victims, keeping them in a weakened psychological and emotional state and by virtue of the prime directive of such a program, "the program is always right, the kid is always wrong".



They make big bucks by convincing parents, juvenile judges and others in positions of authority that they're safe and effective. But you just go and find the peer reviewed studies to prove it out. Ga' head. I dare ya. They don't exist.





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« Reply #283 on: January 17, 2006, 08:20:00 AM »
Why doy you find this funny? You all claim that Anchor is abusive but find it funny that a kid fantasizes about murdering his mom and raping girls? Do you think this is ok?




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These types of activities had been going on for years. After we took him to anchor, we found drawings of gross sexual acts and drawings of him murdering his mother. Yes, he drew these.




 :rofl:  :rofl:



Oh shit man... this is why I come to fornits. LMFAO.























Can you scan those pictures for us?  :em: "
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« Reply #284 on: January 17, 2006, 08:50:00 AM »
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Doing drugs, raping girls, threatening to murder people is no good for anyone and if they stop doing these things,



Girls? As in plural?

So, how many girls exactly did your son rape, and why is he not in jail?

OR

Are you full of shit?

Which is it?
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