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« Reply #75 on: September 27, 2005, 04:24:00 PM »
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"sorry, i no longer have a teen, and fortunately, by God's grace, my child has grown into a mature, kind, respectful adult, despite my parenting mistakes!  I have sent my friends to this sight in order to give them a heads up to any red flags the program their son is in may send out.  They are distraught over their decision.  It wasn't one entered into lightly.  And your response still doesn't answer the question as to "what then?"  How do you protect the other children?  Sometimes, a program IS the only solution.  So...parents, shop carefully.  If you know of something else what is it?  If nothing else is there, then you guys that have been thru it may be able to make a fortune by opening up a place that WILL be a solution."


Bottom Line:  The for-profit teen help industry is grossly under-regulated and rife with allegations of abuse and fraud.

Any parent considering an out-of-home placement should know who they are dealing with.  Some of these outfits have been in business 3 weesk, while others, have been in business for years, and claim to have a near 100% satisfaction rate.  This is false.  No program CAN GUARANTEE to fix your kid, and parents who believe that are making the first of many mistakes that may cost them dearly.

Second, parents should not be making decisions while under extreme (real or imagined) stress. Remember, you are talking to ADMISSIONS REPS, whose job is to SELL you on choosing their program above all others.  This is an extremely competitive business.  There are profiteers all over the Internet just waiting for your call or email ... some will even trade your info in the hopes of getting paid for a referred SALES LEAD.

BUYER BEWARE.

Keep your kid at home and find the best therapist or family counselor you can.  You will save yourself a lot of money AND have a much better chance of healing your family from the inside out.

Trust me. You won't regret this ...

JUST SAY NO TO TEEN HELP PROGRAMS.

Don't give up on your kid by shipping them off expecting them to come back one day as the child they once were.  That is regressive, not healthy.

Embrace your child and work with them to overcome their difficulties through counseling, reasonable and RATIONAL boundaries, sibling conferences, etc.  

The dirty little secret is the teen help industry needs YOUR TEEN to stay in business.  Remember that when the admissions rep is telling you everything you want (need) to hear .... WE FEEL YOUR PAIN, WE HAVE BEEN THERE ... I WAS ONCE A DESPERATE PARENT ... it's all sales tactics and techniques and these people are very very good at what they are selling.  FALSE HOPE.

Good Luck.  

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« Reply #76 on: September 27, 2005, 04:30:00 PM »
Number One Sales Pitch:

CALL TODAY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

Think about what that means.

Too late for what? Too late for whom (you or your teen???)

Admissions Reps have QUOTAS to fill.  Heads to put in the beds.  Hoods to put in the woods.  You are kidding yourself if you think your child is anything but a meal-ticket for these program owners and operators.  Check out their fancy homes, cars, boats and vacation condos .... then ask yourself if your KID IS FOR SALE????

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« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2005, 04:31:00 PM »
"What then?" Thats a interesting question, how do you protect the rest of the children in "the beast." I hopd to a scorched earth policy. Destroy it all, now I dont mean blow it up to kill people, what I mean is one instance of abuse, the school is ellimated and every one working there, wheather they had anything to do with the abuse or not, is sent to prision. thats all in my view that we need to see, becauses these places are out in the middle of no where, so if we see one, then the chanes are great that there are more. These are children. If trust is broken once with your child, its always broken, so we cannot have these people with children again, I dont care what your exucse or reason for the abuse is.
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« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2005, 05:00:00 PM »
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Admissions Reps have QUOTAS to fill.  Heads to put in the beds.  Hoods to put in the woods.  You are kidding yourself if you think your child is anything but a meal-ticket for these program owners and operators.  Check out their fancy homes, cars, boats and vacation condos .... then ask yourself if your KID IS FOR SALE????



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The way you judge schools is a little screwy, I suggest the parents look at the curriculum and talk to students/parents who have graduated or completed the programs before sending any child there.
The director or our local YMCA has a nice house and a boat but it doesnt mean he abuses the kids or we are selling them to the local YMCA.  The YMCA has quotas too.  Would you feel any better about sending your kid to a school where the owners had to work second shifts at Walmart to bring food home for the kiddies or have the dorms painted.  If people want to pay that much let them, I dont think it adds to or detracts from the program.
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« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2005, 05:15:00 PM »
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Admissions Reps have QUOTAS to fill.  Heads to put in the beds.  Hoods to put in the woods.  You are kidding yourself if you think your child is anything but a meal-ticket for these program owners and operators.  Check out their fancy homes, cars, boats and vacation condos .... then ask yourself if your KID IS FOR SALE????





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The way you judge schools is a little screwy, I suggest the parents look at the curriculum and talk to students/parents who have graduated or completed the programs before sending any child there.

The director or our local YMCA has a nice house and a boat but it doesnt mean he abuses the kids or we are selling them to the local YMCA.  The YMCA has quotas too.  Would you feel any better about sending your kid to a school where the owners had to work second shifts at Walmart to bring food home for the kiddies or have the dorms painted.  If people want to pay that much let them, I dont think it adds to or detracts from the program."


You really don't have your head screwed on right, anon, because you keep missing the point.

It's the money, stupid.

You are doing a dis-service to parents and teens by insisting the teen help industry is in the business, first and foremost, of helping teens.

That simply is not true.

These one-size-fits-all behavior modification programs are warehousing teens. There is no meaningful therapy, and most of the time, no meaningful education.  They are high-priced babysitters, with a propensity for cruel, sadistic treatment to keep the population under control.

Take your propaganda teen help crap to the Struggling Teens forum where you will find other stepforish parents who think like you do.

You are really disgusting.

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« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2005, 05:22:00 PM »
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These one-size-fits-all behavior modification programs are warehousing teens. There is no meaningful therapy, and most of the time, no meaningful education.  They are high-priced babysitters, with a propensity for cruel, sadistic treatment to keep the population under control AND THOSE FAT TUITION CHECKS COMING ....



Take your propaganda teen help crap to the Struggling Teens forum where you will find other stepfordish parents who think like you do.



You are really disgusting.




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« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2005, 05:23:00 PM »
"These one-size-fits-all behavior modification programs are warehousing teens. There is no meaningful therapy, and most of the time, no meaningful education. They are high-priced babysitters, with a propensity for cruel, sadistic treatment to keep the population under control."

Your statements are complete bullshit.  There are many kind, compassionate people working in the teen help industry.  Yes, there are some who are bad guys, as in any segment of the population.  There are some good programs out there with staff who try their hardest to do the right thing for each teen under their wing.  If you think starting an emotional growth school is the ticket to wealth, think again.  The expenses of the staff, facilities and insurance are huge. It is a huge responsibility and one which most of the directors take very seriously.

Yes, I would encourage all parents to go to the strugglingteens.com website for accurate information about programs and issues concerning troubled teens.  
This board is a disgrace, but fortunately it is so obvious that it is populated by crazies that no one would believe any of the ignorant anti-program ravings of these losers.
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« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2005, 05:30:00 PM »
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""These one-size-fits-all behavior modification programs are warehousing teens. There is no meaningful therapy, and most of the time, no meaningful education. They are high-priced babysitters, with a propensity for cruel, sadistic treatment to keep the population under control."



Your statements are complete bullshit.  There are many kind, compassionate people working in the teen help industry.  Yes, there are some who are bad guys, as in any segment of the population.  There are some good programs out there with staff who try their hardest to do the right thing for each teen under their wing.  If you think starting an emotional growth school is the ticket to wealth, think again.  The expenses of the staff, facilities and insurance are huge. It is a huge responsibility and one which most of the directors take very seriously.



Yes, I would encourage all parents to go to the strugglingteens.com website for accurate information about programs and issues concerning troubled teens.  

This board is a disgrace, but fortunately it is so obvious that it is populated by crazies that no one would believe any of the ignorant anti-program ravings of these losers.

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BAWAAAAAAHAHAHAAA  don't you wish the Fornit's anti-teen help posters and program survivors were not having an impact on this industry and making you parents-from-hell look like the buffoons you really are.

See you at ST ... it's such fun watching the program parents squirm everytime somebody reminds them there is no cure for adolescence.

What?

"I spent $100k trying to change/control my damn kid's attitude and behavior and my kid is still smoking pot and having sex with his girlfriend.  What's a parent to do????? BOO HOO HOO."


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« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2005, 05:42:00 PM »
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It's the money, stupid.



You are doing a dis-service to parents and teens by insisting the teen help industry is in the business, first and foremost, of helping teens.



 :smokin:



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Knock.Knock Hello:
Give me a list of industries that are not in it for the money !!!!  Churchs,Schools even public school try to boast there income by raising taxes so they can attract richer people to move into their community so the teachers can get a raise.  The head of the American Red Cross doesnt get paid $8/ hour.  
Think about what you are saying !!!
Are you willing to work for free, If you had a solution to help these teens and put food on your table and a nice income and provide for you family wouldnt you do it.  Would you hold the kids in your school higher than your own families wealfare?  Think about it !!!!!!
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« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2005, 05:47:00 PM »
Oh please, any bozo can start a so-called "emotional growth" School or for that matter, hang up their shingle and call themselves a PROGRAM REFERRAL AGENT and fill their own program (or someone else's) with the children of parents unfortunate enough to fall into their web of deception.

As for all the kind, compassionate teen helpers, well, the truth is, that is the exception, NOT THE RULE.

Personally?  I'd steer clear of any program that profits from instilling kids with the values and beliefs of a bunch of untrained, unprofessional, under-educated teen helper wannabees.

Family Counseling and Therapy is still the best and only viable option for parents-teens-families in crisis.

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« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2005, 05:50:00 PM »
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It's the money, stupid.





You are doing a dis-service to parents and teens by insisting the teen help industry is in the business, first and foremost, of helping teens.





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Knock.Knock Hello:

Give me a list of industries that are not in it for the money !!!!  Churchs,Schools even public school try to boast there income by raising taxes so they can attract richer people to move into their community so the teachers can get a raise.  The head of the American Red Cross doesnt get paid $8/ hour.  

Think about what you are saying !!!

Are you willing to work for free, If you had a solution to help these teens and put food on your table and a nice income and provide for you family wouldnt you do it.  Would you hold the kids in your school higher than your own families wealfare?  Think about it !!!!!!

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God, how stupid can you be?

We are talking about fixing teens for profit.

Not repairing broken toasters.

Get a life, anon.  Stop babbling/whining about something you clearly know nothing about.

GOT KOOLAID?

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« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2005, 06:57:00 PM »
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God, how stupid can you be?



We are talking about fixing teens for profit.



Not repairing broken toasters.



Get a life, anon.  Stop babbling/whining about something you clearly know nothing about.



GOT KOOLAID?



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Okay, lets clear it up.  You dont like "Fixing teens for profit"  So you must like:
A) Not fixing teens at all.
or
B) Fixing them for free (non profit)
or
C) Obstructing others from trying to do something.

I dont think any discussion which could potentially improve the way we help teens can be discarded as babbling or whinning,  I think you are starting to see that making a profit is just a small part of it, it doesnt have to be the center piece (and thats okay) its a beginning.
Lastly -- I dont get the Koolaid thing, if its an insult I missed it (Shot too high).
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« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2005, 08:00:00 PM »
It is so clear that the Fornits advocates are young adults who were so screwed up that no program could possibly help- there is probably serious brain damage or medical conditions.  The parents must have given up, leaving these angry people to rage at parents who actually found good programs and were able to help their teens.  
It is a shame that these poor people have to sit and rage from behind their computer screens. You must feel so powerless and unloved. It must be hard to hear about the way the reputable programs have healed many families and allowed the teens to work on some painful issues in a safe environment. It is so much easier for you to believe that they are all bad and that the leaders are only out to make a buck.  I guess that makes the pain of your own pathetic lives easier to bear.
Sorry, but I attribute a lot of my current success and my good relationship with my parents and my friends to the program I attended.  It wasn't perfect, and I hated a lot of things about it. I needed to be there- I was angry, unhappy and suicidal.  I would not go to therapy at home, and if I did go, I lied to the therapist.  I was stealing from people and selling drugs to make money. I was failing in school.  My parents could not leave me alone in the house or I would steal prescription drugs or anything else I could get my hands on.  My parents made mistakes, but they are not bad people.  I was given a lot of privileges, and for many years I appreciated them.  At a certain point I changed and decided to try drugs, started breaking every rule I could, and was seriously on the way to big trouble. I would not listen to anything my parents, counselors or teachers said.  I was 16- my parents could not kick me out of the house.  
What would you brilliant anti-program zealots suggest that my parents should have done?  They were so upset that their own careers were in jeopardy. My younger brother was traumatized and scared that I would be dead.  When the escorts came, I was pissed.  I kicked a hole in the wall. Of course I wanted to stay home and keep using drugs, drinking and sleeping in my nice house. My parents stood there and cried as I was taken out of the house.  It took me about 2 weeks in wilderness- and the drugs leaving my system- to understand what was going on. It took me about another week to understand that I had gotten myself there- it wasn't my parents' fault.  They truly had no choice.  I had used up all the other options.  I think I would have been OK if I had come home after wilderness- most kids would not have been OK.  Oh- I forgot to mention the total degenerates who I called my friends before I went away.  I wish their parents could have done what mine did.  It was too expensive for most of them. One of those kids is dead and one never finished high school.  They were both great students before they turned 16.  I had to go to a therapeutic boarding school so I would be away from the stuff at home for awhile longer and so I could fix the damage I had done to my transcript at school.  I hated the school, but I made great friends and I learned some important things.  I learned that it was OK to have problems and to talk about them.  No one at home (friends) admitted having problems, being sad or worrying about the future.  I learned how to have friends who really cared about me.  The staff had some morons, but most of them were great.  They worked really hard, lived in a shitty small town so that they could work at this school, and spent a lot of time with us on weekends and evenings.  I still write to some of them.  No one was ever abused.  We got yelled at, we had consequences like writing assignments and some clean-up crews.  Also, we weren't allowed to speak to certain other kids if we abused some privileges- like having relationships with girls.  There were good reasons for these rules, which I didn't understand until much later.  I never was good at following rules, and I had to learn by having consequences.  I have been out for a few years, and I still challenge authority in many ways.  I have good friends and don't do drugs. I am old enough to drink responsibly.
So-you should maybe get off your soapbox about these programs and find something to attack that you might actually know something about.
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« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2005, 08:23:00 PM »
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"It is so clear that the Fornits advocates are young adults who were so screwed up that no program could possibly help- there is probably serious brain damage or medical conditions.  The parents must have given up, leaving these angry people to rage at parents who actually found good programs and were able to help their teens.  

It is a shame that these poor people have to sit and rage from behind their computer screens. You must feel so powerless and unloved. It must be hard to hear about the way the reputable programs have healed many families and allowed the teens to work on some painful issues in a safe environment. It is so much easier for you to believe that they are all bad and that the leaders are only out to make a buck.  I guess that makes the pain of your own pathetic lives easier to bear.

Sorry, but I attribute a lot of my current success and my good relationship with my parents and my friends to the program I attended.  It wasn't perfect, and I hated a lot of things about it. I needed to be there- I was angry, unhappy and suicidal.  I would not go to therapy at home, and if I did go, I lied to the therapist.  I was stealing from people and selling drugs to make money. I was failing in school.  My parents could not leave me alone in the house or I would steal prescription drugs or anything else I could get my hands on.  My parents made mistakes, but they are not bad people.  I was given a lot of privileges, and for many years I appreciated them.  At a certain point I changed and decided to try drugs, started breaking every rule I could, and was seriously on the way to big trouble. I would not listen to anything my parents, counselors or teachers said.  I was 16- my parents could not kick me out of the house.  

What would you brilliant anti-program zealots suggest that my parents should have done?  They were so upset that their own careers were in jeopardy. My younger brother was traumatized and scared that I would be dead.  When the escorts came, I was pissed.  I kicked a hole in the wall. Of course I wanted to stay home and keep using drugs, drinking and sleeping in my nice house. My parents stood there and cried as I was taken out of the house.  It took me about 2 weeks in wilderness- and the drugs leaving my system- to understand what was going on. It took me about another week to understand that I had gotten myself there- it wasn't my parents' fault.  They truly had no choice.  I had used up all the other options.  I think I would have been OK if I had come home after wilderness- most kids would not have been OK.  Oh- I forgot to mention the total degenerates who I called my friends before I went away.  I wish their parents could have done what mine did.  It was too expensive for most of them. One of those kids is dead and one never finished high school.  They were both great students before they turned 16.  I had to go to a therapeutic boarding school so I would be away from the stuff at home for awhile longer and so I could fix the damage I had done to my transcript at school.  I hated the school, but I made great friends and I learned some important things.  I learned that it was OK to have problems and to talk about them.  No one at home (friends) admitted having problems, being sad or worrying about the future.  I learned how to have friends who really cared about me.  The staff had some morons, but most of them were great.  They worked really hard, lived in a shitty small town so that they could work at this school, and spent a lot of time with us on weekends and evenings.  I still write to some of them.  No one was ever abused.  We got yelled at, we had consequences like writing assignments and some clean-up crews.  Also, we weren't allowed to speak to certain other kids if we abused some privileges- like having relationships with girls.  There were good reasons for these rules, which I didn't understand until much later.  I never was good at following rules, and I had to learn by having consequences.  I have been out for a few years, and I still challenge authority in many ways.  I have good friends and don't do drugs. I am old enough to drink responsibly.

So-you should maybe get off your soapbox about these programs and find something to attack that you might actually know something about."


Wow great post-  Thank you.  I am going to keep a copy on my hard drive as an inspiration.  Its very frustrating sometimes with some of the angry responses we receive when asking for advice or trying to contribute in response to other parents questions.
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« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2005, 08:31:00 PM »
"I hopd to a scorched earth policy. Destroy it all, now I dont mean blow it up to kill people, what I mean is one instance of abuse, the school is ellimated and every one working there, wheather they had anything to do with the abuse or not, is sent to prision"

OL - Would you do the same to, say, an army if one soldier abused someone?  Or would you deal with the rogue and perhaps their supervisor?  And if it were a church minister, would you do away with the church?
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