Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?

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On 2005-10-05 08:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-05 08:49:00, Anonymous wrote:


""The Carlbrook trolls are KarenInDallas and Ben's Dad."





Neither of their kids finished the program.  I don't think either would blindly support the school.  My kid was in the same group.  Karen's son got kicked out and is doing better than anyone else. He is either at or heading for an Ivy League school as an athlete. Ben's son walked out when he turned 18.


I think it is really a kid posting- if not, maybe the parent of a current student there."

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha"

well, you need to read some other threads.  they both posted here quite frequetly and both supported carlbrook unflinchingly, although both admitted "problems" with the program.

[Anonymous]

I am a parent new to this forum and the whole process.  I did some research.  Carlbrook School is accredited by SACS (Southern Assoc of Colleges and Schools) and has a CEEB code.

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On 2005-10-06 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am a parent new to this forum and the whole process.  I did some research.  Carlbrook School is accredited by SACS (Southern Assoc of Colleges and Schools) and has a CEEB code."

Please post where you found the information.  Please show your research with links to the documents so they may be verified.

I searched for a CEEB code and they were not listed.

Also SACS only accredits institutions of higher learning, not high schools.  Here's their information copied from their website:

"GENERAL OVERVIEW
The Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and
Schools is the regional body for the accreditation of higher education institutions
in the Southern states (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana,
Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia) and
Latin America that award associate, baccalaureate, master?s, or doctoral degrees."

They clearly state that they only accredit institutions that issue Associates, Baccalaureates, Masters and Doctorates.  

I believe you are mistaken.

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http://www.sacscasi.org/schools/Proceed ... edited.pdf

This is the link for schools accredited by SACS Council on Accreditation and School Improvement, the arm of SACS that accredits elementary, middle, and secondary (high) schools.

Carlbrook is not listed as a member.

Hope this helps.

[Anonymous]

Carlbrook is listed as a Candidate with an accreditation date of 2002.  Hope this helps.
The CEEB number, which wasn't hard to find, is 472108.

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On 2005-10-06 12:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Carlbrook is listed as a Candidate with an accreditation date of 2002.  Hope this helps.

The CEEB number, which wasn't hard to find, is 472108."

"Candidate" means they are waiting for accreditation but are paying the yearly fee to remain on the candidate list until they provide documentation showing compliance with SACSCASI regulations.  

"Candidate" status is a provisional status which means they remain unaccredited until they prove compliance.  This is a typical tactic used by EG "schools" like Ivy Ridge which was doing the same thing advertising candidate status as accreditation.  

Carlbrook cannot issue high school diplomas in the state of Virginia and won't be able to until they are accredited.

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On 2005-10-06 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-06 12:37:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Carlbrook is listed as a Candidate with an accreditation date of 2002.  Hope this helps.


The CEEB number, which wasn't hard to find, is 472108."

"Candidate" means they are waiting for accreditation but are paying the yearly fee to remain on the candidate list until they provide documentation showing compliance with SACSCASI regulations.  



"Candidate" status is a provisional status which means they remain unaccredited until they prove compliance.  This is a typical tactic used by EG "schools" like Ivy Ridge which was doing the same thing advertising candidate status as accreditation.  



Carlbrook cannot issue high school diplomas in the state of Virginia and won't be able to until they are accredited."

Its a little more than just providing documentation, its a long process and you know how some states burocracy can be.  Getting even a small charter school accredited can take years.  I am glade they are moving forward,though, with the Accreditation more parents will sit up and take notice that the schools are moving in the right direction, which is what we all want.  A lot of parents are reluctant to send their kids and question more and more where each school stands with their accreditation.

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On 2005-10-06 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am a parent new to this forum and the whole process.  I did some research.  Carlbrook School is accredited by SACS (Southern Assoc of Colleges and Schools) and has a CEEB code."

We've established that they are not accredited.  They are a candidate for accreditation since 2002 but as yet have been unable to pass muster for accreditation.  As such, they are legally prohibited from issuing diplomas.

I was able to find their CEEB code which was issued only this year.  Incidentally, a CEEB code is no reflection on the academic quality or accreditation status of a facility.  It means only that they can give the SAT and PSAT test, i.e. they're an "authorized testing center."

You want to know "Why are stuggling parents such an easy mark?"  It's simple.  Just look at the responses in this thread.  These parents will go as far as to say that a "candidate school" is fully accredited (I guess like a Presidential candidate is already the President?).  They're willing to create alternate realitites that conform to their belief system (or "wishful thinking" as it were), regardless of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.  Objective reality is extinctified by "program reality."

Welcome to the land of suspended reality, StrugglingParentville...[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-06 14:40 ]

[Anonymous]

The regulars on this board seem pretty hung up on accreditation.  In fact, for private schools (not just these teen programs), it is a much murkier area than with public schools.  Many states do not even oversee the accreditation of private schools.  The point of private schools is that they DO have latitude in how they set themselves up, and are not subject to the "how many books are in the library" tests that go into the accreditation process.
A diploma from a high school which can show that it has a faculty with appropriate degrees and certifications is recognized by colleges and secondary schools whether or not the school is accredited by any one of the many organizations which accredit private or specialty schools.  Yes, it is nice to be able to post that big ACCREDITED logo on your website, but it really doesn't affect the students or their diplomas.
To say otherwise is simply not correct.

[Anonymous]

If accreditation IS NOT IMPORTANT, than why does WWASP and other programs, like Whitmore Academy go to such great extents to LIE ABOUT IT and say they are "fully accredited" when they well-know they ARE NOT?

They LIE to get parents to enroll their kids in their programs. That is why!

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On 2005-10-06 23:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If accreditation IS NOT IMPORTANT, than why does WWASP and other programs, like Whitmore Academy go to such great extents to LIE ABOUT IT and say they are "fully accredited" when they well-know they ARE NOT?



They LIE to get parents to enroll their kids in their programs. That is why!"

Great question.  The simple answer is that, as gullible as some of these parents are, they do see the need for their child to at least have a valid, legal diploma from an accredited school.

It's another hook to rope in StrugglingParents.  

If accreditation means nothing, why isn't there a statement on the websites of these programs that says "we are not accredited by the state of ____ or any other accrediting agency"?  

Why is it that they all seem to be "candidates" for accreditation, but never seem to actually get accredited?  It's because they can deflect criticisms/assuage fears of parents who seek a proper education for their child by saying "we're in the process."  

This makes it LOOK AS IF the "school" is legitimate, but we've seen time and time again, they're not and they are barred from issuing state diplomas, period.

You'd think that a school like Carlbrook that grosses roughly $600,000.00 per month could hire licensed teachers and meet basic academic requirements for accreditation in the state of Virginia.  They answer is "they could if they wanted to" but they won't because things like licesned teachers cost more money and that cuts into profits.  And, let's face it, Carlbrook is a business that exists solely for the purpose of making huge profit by separating suckers (struggling parents) from their funds.

[Anonymous]

And how 'bout those who use their accreditation status to hoodwink parents into believing that the behavior modification aspect of their program is appropriately monitored?  :lol:

[Anonymous]

Carlbrook's teachers are licensed and certified.  That has nothing to do with accreditation.  Accreditation can be done (for non-public schools) by a myriad of accrediting organizations.  They look at things like student/teacher ratios, number of books in the library, degrees and certifications of the administration and faculty.  There is a ton of paperwork that goes along with accreditation and the process can take years.  It is certainly one factor, but is not at all determinative of the quality of a school with respect to academics.

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On 2005-10-07 06:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Accreditation can be done (for non-public schools) by a myriad of accrediting organizations.  They look at things like student/teacher ratios, number of books in the library, degrees and certifications of the administration and faculty.  

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Funny how they just can't seem to get accredited, huh?  I mean if SO MANY agencies do it and Carlbrook is SO QUALIFIED, then why can't they pass the litmus test for accreditation? :roll:

[Anonymous]

Being accredited means nothing.  There are lots of great private schools that are not and many more lousy public schools that are!  Homeschools are not accredited, yet produce some of the most highly educated students!