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« on: September 15, 2005, 07:47:00 PM »
These are the things the teen programs will not tell you. If they did, they would go into Chapter 11.

http://www.peele.net/lib/panic.html

"Up to 70% of kids in the highest risk conditions do not become substance abusers.3 These teenagers can build on their strengths (known as "resilience" or "protective" factors) to prevent the negative factors from dominating their lives. Resilience factors include having a strong relationship with an adult and confidence-building experiences at school, work, or other extracurricular activities. Such factors build self-esteem, a sense of personal control, a desire to be healthy, and a link to mainstream activities and values.

What does this mean for parents? It means that you can help your child build resilience to avoid drug abuse."

"Parents can play an important role in preventing and dealing with drug abuse. They do so by fostering healthy and responsible attitudes in their children.
The best drug prevention program is simple: supporting, educating, and caring for children. This prevention program starts in the family and continues in school and social activities."

"Give your child the respect and leeway to follow through on ? and take responsibility for ? his/her own decisions.
We're asking you to do a lot: We're asking you to let your child make mistakes. In practice, you need to judge which experiences your teenager can safely manage. But we as parents have to allow our children to face situations that require them to use self-control and good judgment. In these situations, children will have to consider their options and the consequences of each option. They will make their own decisions ? decisions for which they take responsibility. This ability to make good decisions is important, considering that parents can't always be around to protect their children. When we realize that about 90% of high school seniors say alcohol, cigarettes, and marijuana are easy to get,8 we see that children must be able to make choices on their own in order to stay out of trouble."

"Remember, you and your child have the right to ask questions of a potential therapist.
There are many therapists; some are good, some are not. Listen to what your instincts tell you and what your child says after talking to a therapist a few times. We emphasize 'what your child says' because it is important to check in with your child's feelings, to make sure that he/she does not feel shut down or manipulated."

"Inpatient treatment programs are rarely justified for children's healthy development.10 They can even harm children by giving them identities as alcoholics or substance abusers, and setting them up for relapse.11 The programs also foster relapse by isolating children in a setting that's very different from the setting they'll face outside treatment. This is the case for a parent who says, "My child does very well in treatment, but the second he comes home he heads right over to the local marijuana dealer's home." "

Inpatient treatment programs are rarely justified for children's healthy development.10 They can even harm children by giving them identities as alcoholics or substance abusers, and setting them up for relapse.11 The programs also foster relapse by isolating children in a setting that's very different from the setting they'll face outside treatment. This is the case for a parent who says, "My child does very well in treatment, but the second he comes home he heads right over to the local marijuana dealer's home."

"Inpatient treatment programs are rarely justified for children's healthy development.10 They can even harm children by giving them identities as alcoholics or substance abusers, and setting them up for relapse.11 The programs also foster relapse by isolating children in a setting that's very different from the setting they'll face outside treatment. This is the case for a parent who says, "My child does very well in treatment, but the second he comes home he heads right over to the local marijuana dealer's home."

http://www.peele.net/lib/surprising.html

"this fatalistic thinking about addiction doesn?t jibe with the facts. More people overcome addictions than do not. And the vast majority do so without therapy. Quitting may take several tries, and people may not stop smoking, drinking or using drugs altogether. But eventually they succeed in shaking dependence."

"Every year, the National Survey on Drug Use and Health interviews Americans about their drug and alcohol habits. Ages 18 to 25 constitute the peak period of drug and alcohol use. In 2002, the latest year for which data are available, 22 percent of Americans between ages 18 and 25 were abusing or were dependent on a substance, versus only 3 percent of those aged 55 to 59. These data show that most people overcome their substance abuse, even though most of them do not enter treatment."

"How do we know that the majority aren?t seeking treatment? In 1992, the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism conducted one of the largest surveys of substance use ever, sending Census Bureau workers to interview more than 42,000 Americans about their lifetime drug and alcohol use. Of the 4,500-plus respondents who had ever been dependent on alcohol, only 27 percent had gone to treatment of any kind, including Alcoholics Anonymous. In this group, one-third were still abusing alcohol."

Please parents. DO NOT buy into the teen industry propaganda.

Signed, A Concerned, Ethical Social Worker
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2005, 08:43:00 PM »
I am deeply impressed anon. You said it wonderfully, and you said what needed you be said.  :nworthy:  :nworthy:
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our walking down a hallway, you turn left, you turn right. BRICK WALL!

GAH!!!!

Yeah, hes a survivor.

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2005, 06:35:00 PM »
OK -- 22% of 18-25 y.o. were abusing or dependant on a substance.  1/3 of respondents to another survey who had gotten treatment of some kind for alcohol abuse were still abusing.  That says ????

Most people "survive" marijuana use/abuse.  Many can "handle" coke (or think they can).  What about those with lives that fall apart?  School grades drop to D/F.  Classes get cut.  Stay out late/all night.  Lie.  Steal.  Won't listen to/obey parents.  What course of action do you offer?
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2005, 07:19:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-16 15:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What course of action do you offer?"


Smoke weed!
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2005, 07:32:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-16 15:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

  What about those with lives that fall apart?  School grades drop to D/F.  Classes get cut.  Stay out late/all night.  Lie.  Steal.  Won't listen to/obey parents.  What course of action do you offer?


"Give your child the respect and leeway to follow through on ? and take responsibility for ? his/her own decisions.
We're asking you to do a lot: We're asking you to let your child make mistakes. "

Based on the tone of your question, I'm guessing you probably also have to undo some damage from having tried to override your kid's will; to strong arm them into skipping their own judgment and arriving at your conclusion.

Apologize for that, sincerely, including an explanation of what you're apologizing for. Tell them (and mean it!) that you'll never again betray a trust or try any sort of coercion. When I had that talk w/ my daughter, we also discussed the difference between my irrational attempts to control her choices and my obligation to protect the family from her actions that actually effected us. The distinction had become so muddied as to need clarification.

Good luck. If you manage to earn back lost trust and respect, you may also be able to communicate valuable advice when they ask for it.

The orientation of the public school in and of itself disenfranchises the poor.  It suggests that only the student can be held responsible for failure; the institution, because of its position and strength in society, is unassailable.
--Rodger Hurley

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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2005, 08:26:00 PM »
I understand your response, and I think most parents might follow it if they knew it, understood it, and could.  The could gets to the sticky part.  If a child's life is clearly headed downhill -- drug dependance, shirking/avoiding responsibilities, lying, stealing, and they are 14, 15, 16 or so years old, would you still let them experience the consequences?  Would the parents be somehow legally responsible for their children's actions, or for neglect?  And how do you get the aprent ot let their child continue a course of action the parent truly believes leads to nothing good?

Please, don't get me wrong.  I think coercive behavior mod programs like so many are not good things.  I think most kids who have "problems" can sort through it, perhaps with some good local help.  But when the choice becomes, essentially, let them do what they are doing or send them to a new environment (how's that for a polite expression) to get more intensive help (and I do mean help, not whipping)?
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2005, 09:11:00 PM »
Ya' know, I had to give this very question many sleepless nights of dedicated thought.

Yes. Not without a cuationary warning and not without trying my level best to disuade her, to remind her of all the other, better options. The only reason I didn't resort to forced rehab for my daughter is that I know from personal and broad second/third hand experience that it can be extremely destructive to the conscript and, in damned near all cases, does no good in the long term.

I think parents ta' day are spoiled rotten bratts, for the most part. When the going gets tough, it's socially acceptable to blame the kid instead of taking pause to appreciate and better understand what we put our own parents through.

Once your kid is as tall as you are and they see themselves as free, soverign adults, your primary job as parent of a dependent child is over. You don't have to protect them from themselves the way you have to keep toddlers away from sharp objects. All that remains of your responsibility as a parent is the one thing the Program absolutely forbids; to provide safe harbour in a storm.

It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was
made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions.
There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to
govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be
masters.

--Daniel Webster

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