Poor Old "Summit Gives" *long but a must read*

[BCA PG 1 Survivor]

You know what's worst than being bitter about not graduating and pissing and moaning about whatever?...and what I'm about to say is so true...It's leaving the school and having the misconception that the world that Cedu and the time spent "in the system" is what can truly guide you through life as is.
I, like many of the folks that I know graduated, left the school with a sense of completion and a cloud of euphoria. We went home and tried to be friends with everybody and tried to coach "friends" through hard times and expect to use the tools to make a difference.(Well some folks fell off the wagon and got back in their old routine) But shit...that only works until the real world comes crashing down on you! I was 15 when I graduated and I was so damn lost and the last thing that people look for in "the outside world" from then until at least the late teens is someone trying to preach to them the way we were preached to and even preached to each other.
"Summit Gives" i don't know when you graduated because it sounds like you just did...if not than you must live a quiet or strict religous life because alot of the day to day fundamentals are null and void once you drive away and mesh back into real life.
The biggest gift of CEDU is the gift of PSYCHOLOGY! If used right, the art of manipulation, candy coating: saying the right thing at the right time to soothe unfortunate possibilities, and expressing yourself through writing can take you a long way (hell I'm a marketing management major and I use those ploys in my research).
You can't run your anger with a group of friends, if you're a guy you can't "smoosh" with them, and finally I dare you to throw on some good ol' Cedu jams like - Tell It all or I am a rock or He Ain't heavy - with some friends around and there will not be a single tear shed or a friendly hug (unless you guys are hippies)

Yeah you may have made some good friends...how many do you talk to? Yeah you probably have less baggage now or maybe more BUT YOU CAN'T PREACH TO PEOPLE ABOUT KEEPING SOMETHING SACRED THAT MOST OF THE STAFF AND MAYBE EVEN MEL HIMSELF DID NOT!
Have your memories, and your scrapbook, and whatever other momento you may have in your shrine but you need to wake up and realize the reality of CEDU was not loving and caring for all of us...for many, it was a bastian of abuse, confusion, and pain; even for some of us that went through everything from Truth to Summit. So please...quite being blind!

[Anonymous]

Why would you even waste your time writing all that? You actually take him seriously? Seriously man, he called someone a "butterfly". He's definitely just trying to get inside the heads of suckers like you.

[BCA PG 1 Survivor]

[ This Message was edited by: BCA PG 1 Survivor on 2005-09-12 13:26 ]

[BCA PG 1 Survivor]

get inside the heads of suckers like you...that's rich it's so great when people are still fucked up and have to use their jargon from cedu, or whatever hospital or half way house they're in now...but whatever the case it wasn't the worst way to spend 5 minutes...btw can't you tell this whole thing is a damn joke?  [ This Message was edited by: BCA PG 1 Survivor on 2005-09-12 13:32 ]

[Anonymous]

Get inside your head? You think that's a 'cedu' term? I think the first time I heard that one was when my farm league baseball coach told me not to let the fans get inside my head. You need to relax buddy. I was PG 24 and I'm over that place...you're PG 1 and you're still stuck on it?

[Anonymous]

By the way, farm league = about 6 years old.

[Anonymous]

Guess you missed this thread:

http://www.fornits.baremetal.com/wwf/vi ... forum=11&8

Do you have any concept of irony? I mean, goddamn, even if the guy wasn't being sarcastic, what he/she is saying is still fucking hilarious. I laugh my ass off every time Summit posts.

Of course, people getting all bent out of shape over what he/she says makes it even funnier.

[Anonymous]

Oh I know, he is straight up comedy.

[Anonymous]

if you can't laugh at yourself and your experience at cedu, you're gonna lead a pretty dark life. you don't find it absolutely hilarious that you had to stand on a deck in the middle of the night and say 'potty please?' just so you could take a piss. or that people who didn't want to put on the 'potty boots' and all their clothes would piss in your water bottle? or that la tresa would hold general meetings and absolutely lay into 60 kids because a few of them were tying their shoes like 'gangsters?'. the list goes on forever. that place was hilarious, and I enjoy quite a few laughs from time to time thinking about it.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-13 11:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"if you can't laugh at yourself and your experience at cedu, you're gonna lead a pretty dark life. you don't find it absolutely hilarious that you had to stand on a deck in the middle of the night and say 'potty please?' just so you could take a piss. or that people who didn't want to put on the 'potty boots' and all their clothes would piss in your water bottle? or that la tresa would hold general meetings and absolutely lay into 60 kids because a few of them were tying their shoes like 'gangsters?'. the list goes on forever. that place was hilarious, and I enjoy quite a few laughs from time to time thinking about it. "

Holy crap, when the hell did all of this happen? Was the potty please a CEDU-only thing? (I went to RMA.) How funny and bizarre! We could take a piss whenever we wanted. The bathrooms were right inside the dorms.

[Anonymous]

Haha no, I forgot to mention that it was at Ascent when we had to do that. Same with people pissing in your water bottles. The La Tresa part was at BCA, and I wonder if anyone actually remembers that general meeting...it was at the beginning of the summer of '02.

But seriously, I was at Ascent in the winter, and they would make you chug an entire water bottle between your nightly 'activities' and your 7:30 'bedtime'. So the lighter sleepers had to get up and piss about 3 times every night. And each time, you had to put on your poly pro underwear, wool pants, fleece, parka, hat, and those thigh-high rainboots (aka potty boots), just to go stand on the deck, raise your hand, and say 'potty please'. Half the time, the night watch was so enthralled with whatever it was they did while making $2.00 an hour that they would just ignore you for a few minutes. Finally, they would begrudgingly (what else did their job really entail?) come and escort you to the outhouse.

Gay.

[Anonymous]

wasn't nightwatch the minor league of cedu? some of those guys would work nightwatch for years at a time with only a dream of maybe one day getting to see some real action in the cedu schools to keep them going.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-13 20:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Haha no, I forgot to mention that it was at Ascent when we had to do that. Same with people pissing in your water bottles. The La Tresa part was at BCA, and I wonder if anyone actually remembers that general meeting...it was at the beginning of the summer of '02.



But seriously, I was at Ascent in the winter, and they would make you chug an entire water bottle between your nightly 'activities' and your 7:30 'bedtime'. So the lighter sleepers had to get up and piss about 3 times every night. And each time, you had to put on your poly pro underwear, wool pants, fleece, parka, hat, and those thigh-high rainboots (aka potty boots), just to go stand on the deck, raise your hand, and say 'potty please'. Half the time, the night watch was so enthralled with whatever it was they did while making $2.00 an hour that they would just ignore you for a few minutes. Finally, they would begrudgingly (what else did their job really entail?) come and escort you to the outhouse.



Gay. "

Oh, how weird. I guess they were afriad you were going to split, otherwise? I guess all the clothing was to keep you warm, and for liability's sake. Same with the hydration. I bet another reason for the hydration was to make sure you got up at a decent hour in the morning. That's a tactic GIs use when they are in combat. They drink a whole shitload of water before they go to sleep, if they know they are only going to get a few hours. Well, look at it this way. Better this than the crazy boot camp wilderness programs where the kids are dehydrated, starving and dying, right? (Although drinking too much water can actually dehydrate you, so hopefully they made you eat something salty with all that water.)

I heard that Stacy Wasserman moved over to Ascent. Was she still there when you were there?

[Anonymous]

Didn't know any Stacy Wasserman. I don't think they were very concerned about us sleeping in. We were in the teepee by 7:30 and they didn't wake us up until 8:30. I don't know about you, but I really can't sleep for 13 hours. And of course, they woke you up with that (shudder) 5 minutes call. Then we had 5 minutes to pack all our shit up and get out into a circle on the deck. Much harder than it sounds. Most of the time there would be at least 3 or 4 kids who couldn't get it done in time, and we'd all get to do it again. Ascent fucking blew.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-13 21:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Didn't know any Stacy Wasserman. I don't think they were very concerned about us sleeping in. We were in the teepee by 7:30 and they didn't wake us up until 8:30. I don't know about you, but I really can't sleep for 13 hours. And of course, they woke you up with that (shudder) 5 minutes call. Then we had 5 minutes to pack all our shit up and get out into a circle on the deck. Much harder than it sounds. Most of the time there would be at least 3 or 4 kids who couldn't get it done in time, and we'd all get to do it again. Ascent fucking blew. "

I think she was in charge in the early 90s. She used to be staff at RMA. I think she was staff at CEDU before that, too. One of Mel's daughters, in case you didn't recognize the name. I was surprised that she went to Ascent, because I don't remember her going on many wilderness trips back when I was at RMA.

That 5 minute thing sounds exactly like Sagewalk. I wonder where these programs get their ideas from? Like, who thought of them first?

Ascent also sounds extremely different than wilderness expeditions at RMA. Ours were actually more laid back in terms of structure, and it was nice to have a break from the rigid day to day life of school. Sure, hiking with a heavy pack sucked and all, and I sure bitched about it, but it was nothing like school was. I think maybe we had like, one rap on our wilderness challenge, and that was it. (I don't think we even had that.) Mostly we just had discussions and problem solving groups that dealt directly with the expedition. And Dan Krump was always kind of this laid back kinda guy in my eyes. He was a cool staff to have on an expedition. He was basically the "wilderness guy." The wilderness trips were like, mini vacations, even though they were hard, wheras ascent sounds like it totally sucked. Especially because they were for much longer periods of time. (41 days.) The wilderness challenge was only 15.

I guess they had that militant structure because ascent was designed for kids "right off the streets" weren't they? Wheras the wilderness expeditions at RMA were for kids who had already been at the school for a while and had already been indoctrinated. I mean, the wilderness challenge was the last expedition (unless you decided to be a support student on one) and you were in middle school.

Although I guess you know all of this already. I'm assuming you had wilderness expeditions at BCA.