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A rambling response to my troll or whomever it is that calls
« on: September 08, 2005, 04:01:00 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2005, 04:13:00 PM »
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Withdraw said on another thread that the highest form of spirituality is to be able to embrace two opposing realities.


I would have to diaagree with this, its not the highest form of spiriruality its smily a relativeism. Everything is just as real and true as the next, and this is just foolish.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2005, 04:28:00 PM »
We must realize that each individuals truth is their own and as real to them as ours is to us.

This is a really hard concept , I know.. But even in the terroist's eyes... what they are doing is what is ~right. Even if I don't agree.It is REAL to them. Finding a way to allow all forms of expression will lead to an eventual awakening that no one has to ~ hurt another to force thier reailty on a ~ non believer.

I can not do this alway in my own life or I would have no ill feelings toward any of my abusers. But is it for me to decide and judge what is ~right and morale ? We as humans tend to think something is ~ morale if it isn't effecting us or someone else in a negitive way. In Reality of the big picture until we value ALL reailties  one will always cause harm to another.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2005, 04:35:00 PM »
Has anyone read -The Fifth Sacred Thing , By Starhawk ? That book while out of the ~norm way of thinking .. made me consider what can happen if we can learn to embrace all. Would you invite an opposing army marching on your city to eat at your table ? Could you ?

Dragonfly, I hope you can look past any negitive or Troll type posts and continue expressing yourself. I want to know everyones reaility on what is happening to them and the world around them , because my vision is often clouded by my own agenda.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2005, 04:38:00 PM »
Be My Lover

She struts into the room well I don't know her but with a magnifying glance I just sort of looked her over hmm
We had a drink or two well maybe three and then suddenly she starts telling me her life story
She says baby if you wanna be my lover you better take me home
'cause it's a long long way to paradise and I'm still on my own
Told her that I came from Detroit city and I played guitar in a long haired rock and roll band
She asked me why the singer's name was Alice I said listen baby you really wouldn't understand
And I said baby if you wanna be my lover you better take me home
'cause it's a long long way to paradise and I'm still on my own on my own
Oh baby if you wanna be my lover you better take me home
'cause it's a long long way to paradise and I'm still on my own oh
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2005, 04:57:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-08 13:13:00, OverLordd wrote:

"I would have to diaagree with this, its not the highest form of spiriruality its smily a relativeism. Everything is just as real and true as the next, and this is just foolish."


Spell-check!  :roll:
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2005, 05:58:00 PM »
I am with you Dragonfly. Keep posting. Everyone's experience is individual to them...Stra8 affected everyone differently. Some of us were addicts/alcoholics, some of us were not (some of us never even did drugs!), some of us that are addicts are sober today, some are not, some of us believe in god, some do not, some of us have started to work through our stra8 issues, some have not, most of us are still angry, but some are not...etc...

You get the idea...WE ARE ALL FUCKING DIFFERENT!!! and that place had a diff affect on all of us.

The one thing that we have in common today is that we were horribly abused when we were kids...and our parents allowed (or in some cases caused) it to happen...

So if anon wants to blame/hate or hate his/her parents that's cool...that is anon's experience...

I personally have a different experience...but I enjoy hearing others experience because it soothes me to know that I am not alone...some times I feel so fucking alone...this site has helped me remember/realize that there are a lot of other people who share my experience...it has also helped me to see that some of the ways that I deal with other people today are a direct result of my time in Star8 (i.e. always wanting to share my feelings...it tends to push my lovers away...big time)... anyway I am not alone I need you all...

I said it b4 and I will say it again...

I love and respect you ALL...b/c we are survivors!!!!!!!! We will prevail...

Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2005, 06:01:00 PM »
The extreme negativity, personal attacks and insults are frustrating....constructive criticism and disagreements are good but sometimes it seems like straight all over again....brutal confrontation....but dont let it get to you. You brought up something important...the attacks hurt and discourage constructive posts...I always think its better to disregard attacks as much as possible (sometimes its hard to ignore I know). And focus on the big picture instead...for lack of a better way of saying it...what we all have in common.  ::rainbow::
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2005, 06:13:00 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2005, 06:14:00 PM »
I agree with NCL that we should respect each other...we are all in this together..it can get frustrating (and painful)when people attack us...

I also realize that there are a lot of folks who are still angry...so let's direct the rage where it needs to go...

FUCK STRAIGHT FUCK THE SYSTEM I WAS BORN TO RAGE AGAINST THEM!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2005, 06:42:00 PM »
Dragonfly I really am gald you shared that. I know we all deserve to say what we need to here, but frankly I am fucking sick of all the bullshit I read here somedays. Actually, lately, the forum seems to be relatively low on the bullshit.

But it's perspectives like your's that really need to be heard (er...read) and actually help us all. Please try to ignore the assholes. :grin:
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2005, 07:19:00 PM »
Oh, I'm late for the fifth-phaser rap! Darn it! I feel like using. In fact, I did use today. I smoked weed, I took some pills, I was a mother fucking riot in the E.R.  :smokin:
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2005, 08:24:00 PM »
Actually, the ability to hold two contradictory views at the same time is a sign of brainwashing. Ex. Honesty, the first and most impotent rule was always enforce, right Straightlings? So then, why did we laugh like a bunch of luatics whenever someone put in to leave after their "3 day eval". Wtf could be funny about staff routinely breaking the first and most imptent rule with full complicity by parents, clients and all?

It was nervous laughter..

But that's completely different from having the ability to entertain a notion w/o accepting it as fact. In fact, it's sort of opposite. And, according to Aristotle, is the mark of an educated mind.

But I'm with ya'll on your conclusion anyway. I really quit being angry about this stuff, at least that part of it that's years gone now. Like you, Dragonfly, I might very well have put my daughter in a program if I didn't know better. It was then that I really, really understood what my dad did. Still at a loss, however, to understand my mom. She took to it like a fish to water, everything and everyone else be damned.

That's still a very raw spot w/ me. Not just cause they took my mother, either. But because it seems so many ppl are going along the same path these days, though more gradually.

So? I act angry and threatening when I'm scare. What of it. I went through an experimental behavior mod program as a teenager and it turned me out a bit like a former POW that way.

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2005, 08:45:00 PM »
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