hurricane victims are victims of our uncaring government

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In the first test of the Homeland Security department's emergency response procedure since 9-11, they score an "F".  Can't say I'm surprised...

[Nonconformistlaw]

Ginger said -----"Interesting comment from some FEMA/Homeland paranoia guy interviewed by Ted Kopel the other night. Ted asked the guy how he could possibly have not known about the swelling crowds of refugees at the convention center when the media had been reporting on it, even showing pictures, for days already.

The bureaucrat, incredibly, responded to the effect that, yes, they had heard, read and seen those reports, however they didn't have an authorized, approved report of it till that day. Un fucking believable!"------------------

I watched that interview and this FEMA guy is a piece of work...the stupidity of so-called educated people blows my mind...that's part of what I was getting at on another post I made....people like him discuss, plan, wait for orders.....they dont think for themselves or begin to use an ounce of common sense.....

Oh and about the FEMA director claiming it wasnt his fault these people went without food and water for days....

Did you happen to see the interview yesterday with one of the truck drivers, driving a FEMA semi loaded with water, had to say about that very thing? The driver informed the reporter that the truck was loaded and ready to go on Monday, that he was in Texas waiting for orders, and his FEMA superiors would not allow him to leave (without explaining why)...

Funny how I only saw that snippet once and havn't seen it get replayed over and over like other interviews..hmmm....

[Antigen]

NCL, I have to disagree w/ you on one point. Granted, maybe (maybe, not very likely) many of the very poor or marginally poor ppl of NO honestly didn't understand their situation. But even that's hard to swollow. For years, I've heard comments about how, one day, the levies will fail and everybody knew that city would be yards under water. It was no secret. 80% of the population made it out ahead of the storm. That's just an astounding figure! It's tough to convince 80% of Broward County residents who live between the beach and the Intracoastal to get out, even w/ a class 5 bearing down.

Expert government advisors pegged exactly this disaster as the #3 most likely to occure, w/ another attack on NYC #2. Dunno what #1 is. Would be interesting to know, eh?

But I can't say I'm surprised about any of this. War critics from all quarters have been warning for years now that we're spread too thin. It's a fairly common topic of conversation around here. Remember that Ivan put a few downtowns under water here last year. While the military culture around here is most averse to complaining about it, it didn't escape anyone's notice that our national guard was largely absent.

So I think it's safe to say that this was an extremely predictable situation; practically inevitable, in fact. I think it's shameful how our emergency response people and volunteers are being actively restrained from delivering help and supplies. But, again, not surprising. The feds did the same thing at Colombine and in Miami after hurricane Andrew.

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[Anonymous]

You are support to get food and your supost to stockpile water. Yes, I say they screwed up for not getting the proper supplies.

I shouldn't respond, arguing with a 17 year old know it all can get tiring, but you are wrong in everything you say so I will correct at least this one statement. They DID have food and water stored at their homes. They were TOLD to leave their homes and head for the superdome and other shelters as soon as the flooding began. (or even before the hurricane hit in the first place)

You live in an idealistic fantasy world where you can pull yourself up from your bootstraps and accomplish anything. This is hardly true. The government itself hampered the resuces, shut down the city and gave the people wrong instructions. They didn't 'trust' the government, they had no fucking choice.

If your own government told you to go somewhere, and you were stuck there for 5 days without food, water and any contact with any official- you wouldn't be pissed?

It's great, it really is that you are rich enough to 'fend for yourself', what you really mean by that though, is you can afford supplies. That's all that means. Good for you, you were born into a rich family Overlordd. Now stop insulting people who are going through a living hell an dying as we speak.

You really need to start asking more questions, you don't know SHIT.

[85 Day Jerk]

I think the area hit the hardest was Gulfport Mississippi.  The footage speaks for itself.  The area was fairly evacuated mainly because it was full of affluent people who had the means and the damned COMMON SENSE to get the hell out of Dodge.
I would give my left nut to see footage of all the assinine partying that went on in New Orleans right up to the hurricane reaching landfall.  I guarantee that half them people we see sludging through the water were drunk as hell and yelling "Show us your tits!" to the chicks on the balconies prior to Monday Morning.  What I find deplorable is that all those buses were not deployed BEFORE the storm hit.  The local gov't was not very much different that what we have down here.  Rake in the almighty tourist dollars, and the hell with the rest.  Crunch all you want, we'll make more.  As far as the victims, get up and go look in a mirror, it's okay, I'll wait.......................Every thing you buy from now on is gonna cost more.  The work you do will be worth less.  Vote Non-Partisan.  Let them know you think they all suck.  Vote for who sucks the least, and it is okay to donate to the Red Cross.  The only reason they stink of corruption is because of the scumbag corporations who donate large sums of money for attention.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-02 19:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Eat me."

Give me your address so I can toast you on the bahbie... with a lil smoke BBQ sauce, I'm sure you will be crunchy and tasty with my cuisine knowhow. I can make the nastiest, dirtiest, boniest motherfucker taste like Sin City's Parole Officer's nibbles. MMMMMM, finger lickin good, nigger.

[Anonymous]

And another thing, my family has an old hospital that would house about 300 (three hundred) people. It is resting on over 50 acres of natural land that could be tented and made to house some people pretty much indefinitely. I am offering to aid in making this happen but in all states and cities I have contacted, they keep directing me to other numbers and contacts. I really think noone gives a fucking shit. So, unless you actually put up a fight for what you want, I have learned this in my life, then noone else is going to fight either.

Thus, you know what you want - by what you've got. Think on that while the poor keep dieing out in New Orleans.

[Anonymous]

I hate to break this to ya dude, but, there was no partying going on in the french quarter on sunday night. Those scenes you are recalling are TOURISTS during mardi gras. Native new orleanians generally stay away from bourbon street that time of year. Your perception of the real New Orleans seems to be a little skewed.

[Anonymous]

If you really want to help, where's this home? Does it have a roof? Is it dry?  Is there work nearby?  Give me an email where I can reach you.  My friend is en route to pick up people who have just left in the squaller on the highway.  I have gotten phone calls from people running out of money who DID evacuate.  

karen  

On 2005-09-03 10:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"And another thing, my family has an old hospital that would house about 300 (three hundred) people. It is resting on over 50 acres of natural land that could be tented and made to house some people pretty much indefinitely. I am offering to aid in making this happen but in all states and cities I have contacted, they keep directing me to other numbers and contacts. I really think noone gives a fucking shit. So, unless you actually put up a fight for what you want, I have learned this in my life, then noone else is going to fight either.



Thus, you know what you want - by what you've got. Think on that while the poor keep dieing out in New Orleans."

[Anonymous]

see ginger's link and notice.  my email is designkorp at earthlink.net if you have any questions. 100% of this money will go to people I know.  Some are single mothers, my friend mags has her elderly father in tow. Another is en route to I-10 and Causway this very moment with a truck to help people get out. The link/pay pal seems to not be working right now. Please keep checking. We're trying to figure out what happened. It should be back up and running by Monday.  As a last resort I can give you a snail mail address, but Amy (my friend who started the fund) doesn't want it widely distributed.

On 2005-09-01 19:43:00, webcrawler wrote:

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On 2005-09-01 19:07:00, Anonymous wrote:


"I am so sad by the lack of aid from our government. They want to stop looting... Feed them!!! Our government doesn't care about the poor and the blacks and the old. If this were a wealthy area there would have been better action quicker."

I'm watching Prime Time live right now and they showed Bush saying he has a zero tolerance policy for looting even when Diane Sawyer said a woman was stealing shoes because her feet were cut up. I can't wait until he's out of office! I won't be surprised if Jeb will have a spin at president sometime down the road either. I'm sickened.



I get paid tomorrow and have been online for hours trying to figure out the best organization to give money to that will directly help people. I looked on the Red Cross site and there is a way to donate to the hurricane relief fund, but the money can also be used for other emergencies. I want 100% of my money going to the people on the gulf. So far the Salvation Army is looking like the best place.



Anyone have any first hand knowledge with a trustworthy organization that will give 100% of the donations to the people that need it?"

[Anonymous]

I have a friend en route to New Orleans this minute. She has a truck full of water. She borrowed money for the gas because she couldn't sit and watch anymore.  If she gets in she may be needing more gas money and water. . .   email me if you think you might be able to help somehow.  She also evacuated herself and is waiting on a check from the fund that ginger mentioned above.  

On 2005-09-01 20:23:00, webcrawler wrote:

"I want to know where this help is because there sure doesn't appear to be any at that arena. There is no reason why it should take 4 days to bring people water, food, and medicine in this country."

[Anonymous]

Does anyone else think the salvation army is a bit of a cult?  They might not remodel offices, but they do make you behave a certain way, and live a certain life, - to me it seems they try to convert others mainly employees to their own thinking.

On 2005-09-01 20:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Salvation army. Not the red cross. Trust me on this one, red cross is much more corrupt, using the money for all kinds of things unrelated to the disaster you give to. Salvation army was the first on the scene handing out food and water, and don't spend the money on huge salaries and remodeling their offices.  :tup: "

[Anonymous]

I have 2 moms with a five year old boy and a 12 year old girl who just evacuated. They have little or nothing right now. They are displaced and unemployed now. See Ginger's link /notice above (these two families will benefit from the fund) or email me if you are interested in helping them directly.  I can send you a list of what they need and where they are staying... I think one in Florida and one in Houston.

Karen

On 2005-09-02 08:45:00, sammiegirl wrote:

"After a long thoght I've decided to put my money to use buying clothes books and toys for the displaced kids. My neighborhood asociation and some MERK employees are getting cash together and we will buy the stuff and bring it down. Along with money for their parents.

This is a quagmire.

 BUSH FUCKED UP BIG TIME and WHERES JEB IN ALL OF THIS.

If Jeb thinks he'll run next term Ill be there reminding people of his lack of action. SHIT FL IS SO CLOSE. I went on moveon.org and volunteered my house as well as a job but my house is small so Ive been asking neighbors to host families.

I know I am in Philly I'd be willing to go get them.

I think this is a good time for all of us to shine through.

SURVIVORS HELPING SURVIVORS.

WE ALL HAD OUR CAT 5 AND WE KNOW PAIN LOSS AND SUFFERING. WE KNOW SHOCK AND TRAUMA. WE KNOW HUNGER HOMELESSNESS WE KNOW. AND NOW WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT

Who better to help.

as SURVIVORS OF STRAIGHT WE HAVE STRENGTH BEYOND ANY REASONABLE EXPECTATION.

Times like these remind me how very much I love you all and pray and hope that you are safe and warm/cool and fed and surrounded by people who love you.

Does anyone know if exstraightlings are down there? If so tell them they can come to my house.

Peace and love to you all

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[Anonymous]

On 2005-09-03 14:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Does anyone else think the salvation army is a bit of a cult?  They might not remodel offices, but they do make you behave a certain way, and live a certain life, - to me it seems they try to convert others mainly employees to their own thinking.

On 2005-09-01 20:53:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Salvation army. Not the red cross. Trust me on this one, red cross is much more corrupt, using the money for all kinds of things unrelated to the disaster you give to. Salvation army was the first on the scene handing out food and water, and don't spend the money on huge salaries and remodeling their offices.  :tup: "

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Yes, I agree the Salvation Army is cultlike.  I stayed in a SA shelter one night during an evacuation order, I left the next morning and decidede I'd take my chances with the storm, or at least find another shelter.  They are too weird for me.

Second Harvest Donation Page:
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Unlike the Red Cross, Second Harvest is not a blood pyramid scheme run
by Dracula and his night minions.

[Anonymous]

um. . . sorry you had a bad childhood in NOLA.
Your family might have had the time or the money to prepare, but when did they ever have to prepare for something like this?  How can you judge?  We don't all live in NOLA so we can be taken care of my friend.  That doesn't even make sense.  It's amazing how people just assume the reasons why people didn't leave. . . I could give you 10 first hand stories.
In fact, I almost didn't get out.  By the time I gathered what I needed, boarded the house, gathered the pets, brought cases of water to my elderly neighbor, it was late on Sunday. I had no where to go that would take me and my pets and loved ones.  The "conra-flow" left people jammed up on highways as the storm moved in.  I was afraid I might be stuck on the highway when the storm hit. We have two cars.  We cleaned the drains. It took us 11 hours to go what is normally 3. It took some people 3 hours to make a 5 minute drive.  All the hotels were booked. They were tripling their prices. Gas stations had run out of gas before I even left. I could go on and on. . . I can give you story after story.  You just don't even make sense.  How many people like me struggled to get out?  But just didn't make it.  Cars were breaking down and running out of gas all along the way.  Your theory is just not reality.  

On 2005-09-02 19:08:00, OverLordd wrote:

"Guys, not to sound uncaring but how many of you know about the way New Orleans is, and even the entire state of Louisiana. I grew up in New Orleans Louisiana. I was taught how to survive in a hurricane and how to prepare. These people did not prepare as well as they should of.



Huey P. Long, a old govenor and his welfare state. The people currently in Louisiana stayed of their own free will. They thought the government would take care of them. They took no responsiblity for their own actions. All this behavior was perpiratated by Huey P. Long and his idea of "The government will take care of you." They need to take responisblity for not being prepared and not leaving during the manditory evacuation. I may seem heartless, but take it from a person who lived in New Orleans for a large part of his life, they could be doing better if they took care of their own actions."