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« Reply #120 on: March 21, 2006, 12:59:00 PM »
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"So if you worked there over 10 years ago...what makes you think you know what goes on now?  


Same way I know that my ex is still kicking his dog.

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« Reply #121 on: March 21, 2006, 01:01:00 PM »
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"So if you worked there over 10 years ago...what makes you think you know what goes on now?  I am not trying to start an argument...I just would like to know what makes you so confident in knowing everything that you put up on these boards...if you aren't there to see or experience it first hand.  You seem intelligent enough not to believe every line of b.s. that gets thrown at you"


If you're talking to me, I can say with certainty what actually goes on there because my contacts (and one of my friends) still work there.

If you think I believe every random story coming from there, I don't.  I carefully vet the information I get and check with sources.  Keep reading for a while and you'll see.  Go back in these threads and see what kind of names I've been called and how I've been labeled a "lying disgruntled ex-employee."  

Please take note that every single thing that was deemed "a lie" by HLA supporters has actually been true.  This holds for everything from the death of the RCA project to the lawsuits filed against children and former staff.  Every single claim I have made has been verified and documented.  

Nearly as important as having contacts inside is understanding the philosophy of the program and the attitudes of those who administer it.  I seriously doubt that any kid or parent has a grip on what these people are like the way I do.  I wrote the policy and procedure manuals for HLA.  I understand the thinking behind those policies and procedures, as they were explained to me directly by the founder.  

What you have to understand is that the faces have changed, but the program hasn't.  It's just administered by new recruits.  Therefore the same type of incidents happen again and again, only the names change.

If there's anything specific you'd like to talk about, please ask and I'll do my best not only to explain it, but to explain the thought processes/policies behind it.

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« Reply #122 on: March 21, 2006, 01:20:00 PM »
Thank you for your thoughtful reply Disfunction Junction...you were the one that I was speaking to.  

I am curious if the policy and procedures have changed since you drafted the first one.  Also, what position did you hold there?

Thank you for your time
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« Reply #123 on: March 21, 2006, 01:23:00 PM »
Is there any professional literature, that you are aware of, that would support the notion that  denial of or limiting of food is therapeutic?

What genre of psychology did this come from?
How would Skinner analyze this?
Would Erikson go for it?

Are state regulators, who prohibit this, behind the times?
Are programs on the cutting edge- having discovered what it really takes to 'turn a kid around'- and waiting for the masses to catch up?
Any research into this method of modifying behavior?
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« Reply #124 on: March 21, 2006, 02:36:00 PM »
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"Thank you for your thoughtful reply Disfunction Junction...you were the one that I was speaking to.  



I am curious if the policy and procedures have changed since you drafted the first one.  Also, what position did you hold there?



Thank you for your time"


I know that "on paper" the policies and procedures have changed.  It has also been reported by former employees that policy and procedure are rarely followed and in some cases thrown out the window entirely - as in the case of restraints or dealing with suicidal ideation.

I was a member of the counseling staff and unofficially (not a job title) "assistant planning director."

If you'd like to talk further, please get a username and PM me at your convenience.  I'll be happy to answer your questions or refer you to someone who can do so.  You can still post anonymously here, but you'll need a username for PM's.

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« Reply #125 on: March 21, 2006, 02:43:00 PM »
If you'd like to talk further, please get a username and PM me at your convenience.  I'll be happy to answer your questions or refer you to someone who can do so.  You can still post anonymously here, but you'll need a username for PM's.

I will work on doing that...I do have several questions, but I really appreciate you being forthcoming and taking time to answer me.
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« Reply #126 on: March 21, 2006, 02:51:00 PM »
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"If you'd like to talk further, please get a username and PM me at your convenience.  I'll be happy to answer your questions or refer you to someone who can do so.  You can still post anonymously here, but you'll need a username for PM's.



I will work on doing that...I do have several questions, but I really appreciate you being forthcoming and taking time to answer me."


What is your connection to HLA?

For what purpose are you seeking this information?
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« Reply #127 on: March 21, 2006, 09:31:00 PM »
sounds Like bucci trying to trap you DJ
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« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2006, 08:47:00 AM »
Sorry that I can't be more clear...Anon and D.J...I am just doing a little research on my own.  

I am not trying to trap anyone...I haven't asked any questions that anyone at HLA probably doesn't already know...I just want some straight answers, that's all.
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« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2006, 09:13:00 AM »
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"sounds Like bucci trying to trap you DJ"


Look, I already (obviously) know that I am dealing with an HLA employee here.  They all post from the same IP address.

That being said, as long as the conversation remains civil and productive, I'm glad to continue.

As far as being "trapped" is concerned, I've done absolutely nothing tortious or criminal so there's nothing to be trapped for.

I've said all along that I have no agenda other than advocating for better care of the children HLA serves.  To that end, I have expressed what I know to be true and factual.  I'm not engaged in muckraking.
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« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2006, 09:23:00 AM »
I was making reference to another posting when someone else said that you were being trapped.  I was not alluding to making you feel that way.  Of course you know where this is coming from, anyone can figure that out.  I will be contacting you via pm very soon.
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« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2006, 10:42:00 AM »
What is all the 'cloak and dagger' stuff...?
You are obviously an employee of HLA, although
there are not many left with any ethics...The
young staff don't have a clue, and when they do, they are gone...So, one would assume that you are an 'olde'.. let's see..Charles Cates,Jeff Halloway, John McMillon,Klee Hall,Clay Erikson,
Richard Prow...??? If you have questions, why don't you contact Bill Gray or Clarke Poole?
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« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2006, 02:13:00 PM »
Juniper-
Look,I am trying to be curtious.  I am not addressing you- there is only one person on here that I am interested in talking to.  

I do apologize for what you see as a "cloak and dagger routine", however this really doesn't concern you.
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« Reply #133 on: March 22, 2006, 03:57:00 PM »
Then, you should not be addressing this on an open forum.....Anything having to do with HLA
concerns all of it's 'Survivors', both parents and  their children...I, mean, dah, that is why we are all here..
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« Reply #134 on: March 23, 2006, 02:56:00 PM »
Also, one thing for sure, If you get in touch
with Clarke Poole, you shall have no choice, but to identify yourself...Bill Gray is a possibility,too.  If you are not him...
too
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