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Offline P.E.N.1

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Are these schools only required to report to custodial paren
« on: August 07, 2005, 01:29:00 PM »
Thinking on a new angle of tackling this situation. A certain school my son is locked up in feels that when my son is in the corner or anything else that they do not have to let me know what so ever the wellbeing of him to me. I also cannot get a hold of anyone there, when I do Im told lies, like they will be contacting me . Is custody the same thing as parental rights???? I didnt know it till now, so whats the opinion of the people about schools only contacting custodial parent, pretty much whoever flips the bill or what?????
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2005, 01:48:00 PM »
That's it.
Your divorce decree should spell out your rights. Unless it was a weird situation, you should have equal rights to your son's academic/medical/etc records. I had to force three facilities to honor my rights. Custody is not the same. But it is rare that a non-custodial parent doesn't have equal rights to this type of information. The custodial parent would just have more rights in terms of making placement/treatment decisions.

They will actively deny your rights and force you to take the matter to family court, which we know can take months or years to resolve if you have a bad attorney.

Even if you force them to report to you, they may lie to or avoid you. If you give them too much shit, they could prevent your son from making his regular calls to you, citing any number of lame excuses. Your line was busy- even though you have call waiting. Our phone lines weren't working. He was off campus at his scheduled time. He had lost the 'privelege' to call you. Blah, blah, blah.

Some great modeling of honesty and integrity by these programs.
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2005, 03:12:00 PM »
Yes, it appears that this school is definatlty preventing me from knowing anything about my son. My 5 minute phone call again was not recieved yesterday. It use to be a student would call and say that my son was in the corner, now, no one calls, not a damn word. And about the "Family Group" well of course they will get back with me for sure this time within 24 hours........um, unless you live on a different planet there 24 hours was up about 180 hours ago... is it such a bad thing to let a parent know about there child...it HAS to make me wonder what is so terrible that they cannot talk to me. and thank you why the lies???????????????????????????why, why why why.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2005, 06:36:00 PM »
The only way a program can work is if they isolate the child from all sources of support. What youre doing is being a giant thorn in their ass and potentially undermining their attempts to basically brainwash him.

Your efforts will pay much more in the ways of dividends when hes out, so don't despair and give up! If you dont yet have a lawyer you really should get one, and make damn sure he or she does his or her job. Also, if I were you Id make the dad so sick of hearing about and reading about the stuff on ISAC he'd get physically ill as soon as he saw you. It probably wont sink in, but at least you could say you tried to tell him.

And, well, if he doesnt care, break off a high heel up his ass  :silly:

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2005, 10:58:00 PM »
Parents have gone to court and won the release of their kids ... especially in joint custody cases.  

Just tell the program your lawyer will be calling ... that usually does the trick.  They will inform the other parent that they can not hold the kid without BOTH LEGAL PARENTS consent.

Trust me ... even with enrollment dropping in some of these behavior mod warehouses, the programs have more to lose by trying to hold on to a kid than just letting him go.

Getting the media involved is also a good idea ... let the neighborhood know there is a kid missing and WHY.

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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2005, 07:22:00 AM »
There are several different custodial situations. Joint custody even if one parent has physical custody and one has legal visitation would give the non custodial parent the right to all records and the right to some visits while in the program. Sole custody with legal visitation would give the non custodial parent some visitation rights and the right to medical records so in that case it would seem the non custodial parent would still have rights to information and some phone calls as well. However, if the non custodial parent for some reason does not have parental rights either due to some situation or signed them away in a court hearing, and does not have a set legal visitation schedule, they do not necessarily have rights to medical records and phone calls. In addition, it is possible that the parent has told the program counselors that the mother in this case is part of the child's problem (not necesarily the truth, Im just guessing this may have been said), and in that case they may feel that it would not be in the child's best interest to have contact with the mother for the time being. I would talk to a lawyer about the custody status first and then depending on that, see about pushing for the information and phone calls.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2005, 05:27:00 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2005, 10:54:00 PM »
The family law judges are for these types of places, probly because they sent their kids to military school and they think its the same thing. I had no clue that this was going on until now. Unfortunately more information needs to be out there. Or maybe people need to start aggresivley coming forward. I wish that I had more info on the FFS but I dont have enough to back me up.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2005, 11:12:00 PM »
Tell them what is going on, that you have had no contact with him, explain you do not have custody but have contact rights in your judgement, etc.  Tell them that this is a health, welfare, and safety concern for your child at this point I believe they must pay a visit.  This is as long as you do have these rights...  Anyone can call a child welfare agency and report health, welfare, and safety concerns but be specific as possible and then they will respond.
Good luck let us know what evolves out of this...
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2005, 12:28:00 AM »
I definitely think you should get a lawyer, to at the very least, put a hell of a lot of pressure on them.
 
And about the family law judges, not all of them necessarily come down on the side of these programs. The judges I know are more concerned about following and upholding the law, which is their job. So dont back off just because some judges might be program loving...many are able to set aside the personal opinions.

And I agree with what someone else said... even if its a losing battle...the potential PR damage to the program from the battle itself might work in your favor.

My mother (non-custodial) in the eyes of Straight had no rights and had no say so in my incarceration there, no phone contact at all, no letters, etc...so in frustration she flew across the country to see me and to try to take me out of the program and to go live with her. Natuarlly, Straight would have none of that and recited the bullshit that annonymous said, that she was my problem, not in my best interest...and other lies...

I never knew this happened until years after Straight when my mother told me about it. She had no idea that they never bothered to tell me about her visit. Yeah she was my problem, but it WAS in my best interest to, at the very least, have some type of contact with her. If I knew of her act of concern and love, while in the program, it would have made such a difference to me at a time I really needed to know something like that.

Hope things work out ::rainbow::
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2005, 04:42:00 AM »
Whos THEM????
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2005, 10:12:00 AM »
The Child Welfare Child Protection Agency in the State the program is in, DSS, DFCS?  What ever it might be called in each state.
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