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« on: December 10, 2002, 04:53:00 PM »
Hello. I am a recent graduate of Pathway Family Center. I posted a short message the other day. I was a client at PFC fo 26 months which, amazingly, is about average now. I can't even begin to explain the problems Pathway caused for me while I was there and now that I am out. Pathway promised my parents a cure, and desperate, they took it. From what I read about Straight, Pathway sounds exactly the same. Clients are still restrained if they try to leave ("cop out") There was a brief break when a client his a staff member and when the police were called, the officer said he had every right to his the staff member, and seeing as they are not a detainment program or a jail, he has every right to leave. Since I have left though, clients are once again forced to stay. "Phaser rooms" are still alarmed, houses still locked, and there is no privacy whtsoever. I saw many other interesting things happen there that I am sure could shut this program down if the right people heard about it. Groups are very often run be "peerstaff" (former clients of the program.) Parents are still billed for these groups even though the peerstaff are not qualified and it is illegal to be billed for any therapy given by someone without qualification. When audits would come up, staff would be in a mad rush filling out billing sheets and to hide the fact that parents were getting billed for groups not run by therapists, qualified therapists would sign the sheets. The clients that are accepted into PFC seem to have less and less problems with each new arrival. Many of the kids obviously don't need drug treatment and many need other programs. It is very obvious that PFC will use any excuse they can to get concered parent's money. One client was intaked for smoking marijuana four times and drinking four times! They told him he was a drug addict and after 16 months in the program, he believed it! There was a situation where a peerstaff slept with a client, and Pathway did everything they could to keep her quiet, and no parents were told. Their excuse was that it would get too many clients worried. The truth is they would have been screwed if the media or and rehab regulating program would have found out. There is also a PFC in Indianapolis. They have already had lawsuits brought up against them for denying the clients food, abuse and things like making them walk in the snow with no shoes. The Pathway in Southfield does a good job of watching their backs, because they cut off communication with anyone who questions their ways or anyone who pulls from the program or isn't willing to follow their rules. Many graduates and parents are convinced that Pathway saves lives, but I believe that some degree of brainwashing does on on there and for some it takes longer for it to wear off. For some others, it never does. I graduated doubting a lot that went on there, but I still supported it until I got into the real world and realized that they had filled my head with a bunch of shit. Well, there is much I could write, but it's exam week, and I need to study. Thank you for listening, and I really appreciate this site. EMSR
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2002, 06:07:00 PM »
Good to hear from you again. There are things we can do about PFC. Just getting the word out, showing other recent clients that you can do that and not be struck by lightening, is worth a lot by itself.

If you're busy with finals, then by all means, I think you should attend to that first! If you're so inclined at some point in the future, there are some other things we can do to help expose PFC for what it is.

Here are some low-demand activities that can't hurt.

Talking to the media sometimes seems like talking to a wall. They don't always even acknowledge corespondence, espeically if the viewpoint contradicts their editorial policy (or that of valued advertisers) but if they continually get letters carrying similar viewpoints, eventually they have to take the issue seriously and look into it.

So any time you see PFC getting free publicity, you can take a moment to write to the editor, broadcaster, journalist and fill them in on the other side of the story. If it's a letter to the editor, most publications are very OK with using a pen name so long as you provide a valid phone number to verify permission to reprint.

You can also let the rest of us know about it so we can drop them a line as well. Our viewpoint won't carry anywhere near the weight yours does because most of our experience with that particular cult happened a decade or more ago under a different corporate name run by different individuals. But it never hurts to pile on and get the media interested.

If you're inclined to get more involved than that, report those sobs for the fire code violations, false imprisonment and other violations. Bear in mind that if you make a formal complaint, that implies your willingness to follow it through with depositions, possibly court testimony and all the backlash that might result from it. So no one can tell you whether or not it's worth the trouble for you personally.

Ever wonder about all the splits and pull-offs? How they're doing? Where they've landed up? If you're inclined to, try looking some of them up. Just one of those "the more the merrier" things. Some people say it's a big help just to have contact with someone else who understands the experience and won't look at you like you think you've been abducted by aliens. Also, some number of those people might be inclined to take legal action, work with journalists or even picket open meetings, show up at speaking engagements to offer a different view of the Program... ya' just never know.

The sadist cannot stand the separation of the public and the private; nor can he grant to others the mystery of their personality, the validity of their inner self...in order for him to feel his maximum power, he wants the world to be peopled with concrete manipulatable objects...
-- ERNEST BECKER, The Structure of Evil, 1968.

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2002, 08:58:00 PM »
David Key?  If so, could you tell me a bit about your impression of David.  I know David from another life; in fact, we lived together for over 2 years during our time at straight.   you can email me off line if you would like.  my address is kpickle39@aol.com

Glad you made it through - you are a survivor now.  Welcome to the "club"

What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2002, 03:37:00 PM »
Dear Anonymous,

Thank you for posting about Pathway.  I am researching Straight and its legacy programs at http://www.thestraights.com  .  Could you please email me at wesfager@thestraights.com .

Thank you,

Wes Fager
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2003, 07:07:00 PM »
I am interested in your story. I, like yourself, do not feel comfortable disclosing my identity. However, I would like to hear more of what you have to say. What your experience was like, and how it is for you today. I do not have a hidden motive and have every intention of respecting what you share. Let's just say that some of the things you disclosed sound familiar to me. I look forward to your response.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2003, 07:09:00 PM »
I am interested in your story. I, like yourself, do not feel comfortable disclosing my identity. However, I would like to hear more of what you have to say. What your experience was like, and how it is for you today. I do not have a hidden motive and have every intention of respecting what you share. Let's just say that some of the things you disclosed sound familiar to me. I look forward to your response.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2003, 09:54:00 PM »
I'm sorry this stuff sounds so familiar to you. And I'm glad you found us. Whether you decide to attach your name publicly to this weird little chapter in our shared history or not, I'm glad you came along. It'll take a thousand voices to tell the story.

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2003, 11:49:00 AM »
Hello,

     It's Mary again.  I just read your other post and replied.  I will reply to this one too! :razz: I am really wanting to talk to you about PFC.  I also ask that if you have any documents that you would like to share with me , please contact me at Macpurple77@aol.com.  I am very interested in speaking with you.

Sincerely,
Mary
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2003, 09:43:00 AM »
International Survivors Action Committee is currently in need of information like your story. There is a state agency interested in hearing your story , ISAC will put you in touch with the appropriate state agency that is investigating them

Please contact us at
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2003, 12:24:00 AM »
Hello!

My name is Mary.  I am williny to talk to you if you are willing to talk to me.  You can privately contact me at Macpurple77@aol.com, please put in te re: fornits story.  There is an orginization that is trying to help close these abusive drug rehabs, we need your story and there are a few other things that I would like to ask you,nothing personal.  There are things that we all can do to help to make sure that others do not have to go through what we did.
I understand how hard it may be to tell your story and I give you a lot of credit for telling your story.


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Mary
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2003, 09:00:00 AM »
I too was at Pathway, as a parent, and I?m not sure where you are getting all your details.  First, Pathway does not guarantee a cure, but rather offers a treatment model that focuses on developing honesty about using drugs and rebuilding self-esteem.   The alternative for us was to watch our daughter continue to make poor choices, resulting in damage to herself and others.  I wanted to find help before she ended up in jail, or worse, before she died.  Pathway is more than just a detox center, which most short-term programs are limited to.   For some, a short-term program is all that is required.  Other clients, like my daughter, have been in and out of numerous ST centers with no recovery.  At Pathway, our daughter gained a realization of the unacceptable behaviors and attitudes that accompanied the drug use. Clients learn to accept and appreciate themselves, while maintaining a healthy, drug-free lifestyle.  This extensive process requires more than 30 days for the client to make the life changes.  

I have read many of the posts throughout this BBS and others, and am disturbed with the physical abuse described at other programs.  I would never condone such treatment under any circumstances.  I wholeheartedly support actions against any organization that promotes such abusive practices.  During my daughter?s enrollment at Pathway, I never saw the things described on this BBS about the Straight programs.  So I take exception to your claim that Pathway ?sounds exactly the same (as Straight)?.   Granted, Pathway is not a picnic.  It takes work by the child and also by the parents and siblings.  There are procedures in place to protect the client from themselves ? that is, deciding they don?t want to recover, and prefer to leave the program and return to their previous irrational and destructive behavior.  In that respect, Pathway is responsible to have procedures in place to mitigate client elopement.  Our family was looking for help with our daughter?s downward spiral and her abusive behavior in our home.  Intuitively, a change would not occur with just a ?picnic?.  We anticipated that the process would require commitment and work on our part.  We wanted our daughter protected from her destructive behavior and other druggie friends abusing her.  Likewise, we saw Pathway as an alternative to doing nothing, and just letting our daughter continue to decline and most likely die at an early age, or at best, live a sad, hopeless life.

You claim ?there is no privacy whatsoever?.  Is that really the case?  Initially, when you came to Pathway, the immediate focus became you and the underlying emotional issues that contributed to your substance abuse.  From the beginning, you may not have had complete privacy because without structure and supervision, your tendencies could have been predicted to do whatever necessary to get back to your drugs.  Eventually, after making changes, you received privacy and other privileges ? even returned to school (unsupervised) and sought out employment (unsupervised).  But by that time, you were able to make better choices for yourself.  That is, to remain sober and focus on becoming a productive citizen, without being destructive to yourself and others.  So you did have privacy.

You state that a police officer said a Pathway client ?had every right to leave?.  Maybe so, maybe not.  Pathway?s policy is that a client may be clinically discharged, and is  usually referred to another facility as determined by clinical advice.  Also, a parent may take their child from Pathway against clinical advice.  Clients may not discharge themselves unless they are age 18 and not court-ordered to complete the program.  If they are under age 18, their parents determine whether they remain in treatment.  If the client is 18, they are free to leave the program if they choose.

You claim that groups are often run by peer staff, even though they are not qualified.  In reality, peer staff may be in charge of running selected groups with clinical staff supervision.  Regardless, a number of peer staff are qualified because of additional education and certifications obtained.  But you would not have known that.  

You state that the PFC in Indianapolis has ?had lawsuits brought up against them for denying the clients food, abuse, and things like making them walk in the snow with no shoes.?  Please provide case details of these lawsuits for reference.  That is impossible because they do not exist.        

I celebrate the liberties and freedoms our country provides.  But with those liberties comes a responsibility.  Your post contains numerous inaccuracies because you did not have adequate information.  Or, it contains untruths because you decided to ignore the truth and slam a recovery program that has helped many families.  I take exception to your categorical classification of Pathway as ?exactly the same? as the other Straight programs.   Think about it.  If that were in fact the case, any independent investigation would quickly revoke the accreditation.  

Clearly, this BBS provides a convenient forum for anyone to ?slam? any of the treatment programs mentioned.  Some maybe are deserving.  However, my experience with Pathway was beneficial for me, my daughter, and my family.  I am thankful for the relationships and healthy behavior re-established through the Pathway program.  I am fearful and sad of where we would be had Pathway not been available for us.  I realize that Pathway is not ?perfect?, nor is any other organization.  However, I prefer to focus on the positive aspects of Pathway, while encouraging improvements where necessary.  Consider the many clients and families like mine that received much benefit from the Pathway experience.  Likewise, there are other families seeking help that may have exhausted their options.  Pathway can help, because I have experienced it.

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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2003, 09:56:00 AM »
Can you offer proof that the peer staff counselors have certifications? Ask to see thier certifications, what schools they recieved thier training from, etc.,....you may be surprized at what you don't find.  Also, how long have you been involved with pathway?  Your daughter, is she still in treatment?  How long?  Remember, the reason Pathway is in business is not because they're loving people who care about children so much that they've dedicated thier lives to "saving" them...Pathway is in business for THE BUSINESS OF MONEY...it is a company like any other.  I respect you're devotion to your daughter. As a mother I understand willing to do anything to protect your child. But you must understand, programs like these have gotten very good at convincing intelligent people like yourself that thier way is the ONLY WAY. It's not. No matter what you think of what I've wrote hear, please consider one thing out of all this:  Consider how long you're daughter has been involved with Pathway, in treatment or as a graduate...How much of teenage life is being spent wrapped up in the life of pathway? Will she ever be free from the place, or will they keep her obligated to work for them...into the future.  I know many people who, 15+ years later, went in to similar programs and never left.  Just be careful. Please.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2003, 10:39:00 AM »
Yes, I was able to see peer staff certifications.  They are authentic.
My daughter is no longer in treatment.  She now has three wonderful children, and is giving back in the community.  She does speaking engagements at schools to tell her story.  She is very relatable to teens, because she has ?been there, done that?, and her life is no longer consumed by the desire for drugs, incarcerations, and estrangement from her family.  She is happy and loves life.  This is quite a contrast to the daughter I had before Pathway.

You may believe that Pathway is ?in business FOR THE MONEY?.  In reality, Pathway must have money to cover operating costs.  It would be unlikely that virtually all facilities would be donated, and every staff member would volunteer 100% of their time to provide the services at Pathway.  Accordingly, clinical fees are structured as reasonably as possible to cover those costs.  For-profit companies strive to increase their profit to enhance their equity and/or stock price.  Pathway chooses to keep fees as low as possible for affordability, and often operates near breakeven.

I don?t believe that I was convinced by Pathway that it is the ONLY way.  However, I was running out of options for helping my daughter.  After several short-term recovery centers at $1000/day, and private counseling, I was giving up hope.  Pathway gave me another option.  Based on my experience, I feel I was not naïve and had my head in the sand when considering Pathway.  Frankly, as a parent, I was more concerned with my daughter?s outcome if I just gave up and did nothing more.  I was fearful of the likely result, and chose yet another treatment program (Pathway), just hoping that it could help where the others did not.

As for whether my daughter is ?free of Pathway?, yes.  She is not ?obligated to work for them.? She has graduated and is doing very well.  I am so proud of her.  However, she continues to be grateful for her recovery, and that Pathway helped her through this difficult time.

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2003, 07:10:00 PM »
But she's still doing recruiting work. Probably for nothing.

Sit yourself down one day and count up the expenses that you know of and the income that you know of.

There's the building (likely paid off or partially or wholely donated) the lights, phone and heating bills and office supplies. No overnight housing, feeding, clothing, medical, field trips or any of that. No advertising or marketing, your kid is doing that for free and I suspect you donate a good deal of time to that effort too. Somethings never change. So, on the layout side, we're talking about just the building and (some) payrole (aside from the 'volunteer' staff hours) and liability insurance.

On the income side, there are the client fees, likely some grant money certainly donations and fundraisers. If you add it up, you'll likely find that somebody's making piles of money from this.

But that's not the major cost to you and your daughter. The major cost has to do with betrayal on a very primal level. The daughter you bore and raised was, in your opinion, so completely unacceptable that she had to be broken down, made to denounce herself and then reprogrammed according to what you consider acceptable.

I see the parents' script hasn't changed any, either.

When a man you like switches from what he said a year ago, or four years ago, he is a broad-minded person who has courage enough to change his mind with changing conditions. When a man you don't like does it, he is a liar who has broken his promise.
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2003, 11:46:00 AM »
I prefer to consider my daughter?s activities today as her passion for a better life than the one she had before, understanding the drug use as a primary cause for her prior destructive life, and her commitment to share her experiences to other young people that may already be in a similar situation as her past, or are progressing in the same direction.  It is merely a contrast of her choices before and after Pathway, and the resultant lifestyle changes.  Her objective is to provide education and a deterrent for young people at risk of substance abuse rather than ?recruiting? for Pathway.  The best outcome is for a young person to never take the risks my daughter did.  Besides, I doubt that her sharing with teens really has a ?recruiting? outcome, given that any teen in the audience already using (and in denial) is unlikely to rush home and request their parents take him/her to Pathway.  Just as you have a passion for your beliefs based on your experiences and choose to speak out in support of your beliefs, so does my daughter.

As for the financial side of Pathway, I have been exposed to financial statements and independent auditor reports thereof to understand the facts.  As a CPA I am confident of my understanding of revenues and operating costs.  There are no ?piles of money? being made.

I understand from the tone of your 2/26 post here, and others throughout the BBS, that you and others have had very traumatic experiences at Straight and other programs.  However, I also believe that all treatment programs are not the same.  I have experienced a variety of substance abuse treatment programs, but I have not encountered the travesties cited against other programs on this BBS and The Straights site.  That does not imply they did not happen.  However, you and others posting on this BBS are claiming or insinuating that Pathway is the same as the programs you have experienced.  From my experience with Pathway, I know that is untrue.  Therefore, it begs credibility to accusations made against other programs.  

You indicate, ?The major cost for me and my daughter is betrayal on a very primal level.?  I disagree.  As a parent, I have a responsibility to care and protect my child.  I understand rebellious behavior, and initially, that is all I thought my daughter was going through.  However, when her actions escalated to where school officials were calling me to the school, police action was involved, and she ended up in the hospital because of a suicide attempt, followed by an overdose, intuition told me this was more than just teenage hormones acting up.  This was NOT normal behavior, and her actions were placing herself in great risk and possibly harming others.  This was more than just smoking a casual joint.  This became her way of life, because of the constant destructive behavior.  Based on our situation, we could not be so naïve to think that this was just a ?phase? that our daughter was going through.  There was much more to this problem.  I chose to not be negligent and assume that everything would be ok without intervention.  Instead, we had to seek help.

Today, my daughter has friends from her past that are no longer alive because of drug-using behavior.  And others are in jail.  It doesn?t take a brain surgeon to know that my daughter would very likely have ended up in the same situation without help.  My daughter tells me that she would be dead, had we not found help for her.  I see that you think this is just another ?parent?s script.?  Go ahead and think that way.  I know the truth and am very grateful that I did something to help my daughter instead of doing nothing and have lost her (physically and/or emotionally) permanently.

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