Carlbrook

[Anonymous]

Joe- that email address doesn't work.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-17 18:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Joe- that email address doesn't work."

Works for me.  ::

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-17 17:27:00, Eudora wrote:

My dad was so into it at one point that he actually called a cop and made something up to get me arrested because he was sure I needed to finish the Program. Never mind that he had to make something up because I wasn't actually breaking laws or causing trouble."

It is almost unbelievable how convinced parents can become these programs are the absolute last chance and they will go to any effort -- from ignoring their own paternalistic instincts, to emptying their bank accounts, to calling the cops and lying --  to support their false beliefs. Seems they like to troll this board all day long doing the same thing, after the fact. No wonder they are so intense with their defense of these programs!!

[Nihilanthic]

On 2006-02-17 18:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-17 17:27:00, Eudora wrote:


My dad was so into it at one point that he actually called a cop and made something up to get me arrested because he was sure I needed to finish the Program. Never mind that he had to make something up because I wasn't actually breaking laws or causing trouble."

It is almost unbelievable how convinced parents can become these programs are the absolute last chance and they will go to any effort -- from ignoring their own paternalistic instincts, to emptying their bank accounts, to calling the cops and lying --  to support their false beliefs. Seems they like to troll this board all day long doing the same thing, after the fact. No wonder they are so intense with their defense of these programs!!

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Yep. The last measure before they realize their kid is growing up and have to let them finish doing so  :roll:

Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
--Annie Dillard, "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek"

[Troll Control]

On 2006-02-17 16:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Anonymous poster who doubts my existence: I just looked in the mirror, and yes, I am real. No, I did not think I was sending him to "golf camp", I thought I was sending him to an environment that fosters "intellectual, social, and personal development" as Carlbrook  told me. You might have viewed it as a punishment I did not. My mistake. I came here to share my own experience and I find your rudeness and dismissiveness rather ironic considering your warnings earlier. Nobody else has been rude to me other than you. I suggest you take a look at your own actions before condemning everyone else. -Joe"

Hey, Joe.  Thank you for sharing your experience with Carlbrook on the board.  What you are saying does not surprise me in the least.

Your observation about this anon Carlbrook supporter is spot on.  S/he came on here and began to rudely insult everyone in a "preemptive" fashion.  This is typical of control-freak types that can't stand to have alternative viewpoints expressed.

That being said, people like Her/him support the program blindly.  They have taken a leap of faith and have discarded the scientific method entirely.  As I have explained before, these type of programs are not the "latest and greatest," but rather are the dredged up, cobbled-together pieces of behavioral science and psychotherapy that the professional mental health society had debunked and cast aside decades ago.  Carlbrook is doing nothing more than rehashing the obvious mistakes of treatment modalities long dead and buried by scientific method and clinical study.  The facts are that Carlbrook's methods have been debunked, proven ineffective and shown to cause damage to the developing mind for DECADES.

To reiterate: There is NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY CLINICAL STUDY THAT SUPPORTS THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT.  Yet there are several dozens of clinical studies that show this methodology causes DAMAGE such as PTSD (just to name one).

So, what we are dealing with here, Joe, is people who refuse to look at proven fact so that they may retreat into "good feelings" doled out by the folks that fleeced them out of their money and hurt their children.  These are the same type of people who believe in "Intelligent Design."  They will cast aside proven fact and embrace insane concepts, so long as they can feel "right" about it in the end.

Welcome to the board and please don't be discouraged by crackpots and flamers.  Any intelligent, fact and reality based assessment of the precioous program will be met with extreme hostility and ad hominem attacks.  It comes with the territory.

[concernedparent]

Can you tell me what you have learned about Island View?  David Smyth - on of the co-founders of Coral Reef Academy - has a past connection to Island View - Thx

[Troll Control]

On 2006-02-18 09:33:00, concernedparent wrote:

"Can you tell me what you have learned about Island View?  David Smyth - on of the co-founders of Coral Reef Academy - has a past connection to Island View - Thx"

Please continue to seek information from the Coral Reef thread.  A bunch of us looking to see what we can find for you.

This thread is dedicated to Carlbrook.

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-17 13:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hi, I'm glad your son is doing well at Carlbrook.  I have to warn you.  This is a miserable blog full of ex-TBS kids (and adults) that will very shortly attack you in every way imaginable.  I also have a child having a very favororable experience at Carlbrook but beware of what's coming.  This is a TBS Survivor site and expect more abuse than your kid ever gave you.  btw I have a child there that will be graduating soon and then going to college. It's been good for our whole family.  Good luck."

If any unsuspecting parent or happy ex-TBS student doubts the single focus of this forum and the lengths the posters will go to in order to be nasty and inappropriate, just read through some of the threads, particularly the Karenindallas thread under Brat Camp.
This is NOT a place for intelligent debate or sharing of ideas and information.
I will save you time and summarize the information on this forum:
1. All emotional growth programs are abusive and can not do any possible good for a teen.
2. Any parent who sends a teen to wilderness or an RTC or TBS is a terrible parent who hates their kid and all kids.
3. The regulars on this forum are experts on emotional growth programs and know everything there is to know about the staff and the treatment methods are every program. None of them are good.
4. If a former student attempts to defend a program or explain how it helped him or her, it is because he/she has been brainwashed by the program. In a few years the person will figure it out and remember how they were abused at the program.
5. Anyone who claims to have gone to a good college after the program or to have received a valuable high school degree is lying.
6. Any parent who recommends a program to another parent is doing so because they get a kick-back from the program.
7. All educational consultants are in it for the money and get kick-backs from the programs they recommend.

nice fallacy, there.

Description of Red Herring

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

1. Topic A is under discussion.
2. Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
3. Topic A is abandoned.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.

Good try, though.  ::kiss::

[try another castle]

Sorry, this post lost

[Anonymous]

Carlbrook sucks.  :wave:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-17 16:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"These negative people are, for the most part, NOT program parents.  They are people with no connection whatsoever to the programs which they bash.

Ms. Gaulder, if you are for real, which I doubt, it sounds like your son did not benefit at all from Carlbrook. That is the case with a number of kids in any program.  There is no way the managing staff at Carlbrook is out to make a quick buck. They work night and day for relatively modest salaries.  Your son "had a horrible time". Did you think you were sending him to golf camp? "

Why is it SO unbelievable to these program FREAKS that most parents and students are not satisfied with their stay at Carlbrook? We've seen countless posts here saying this, and only one or two saying it is good. So who would you believe?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-17 16:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I know why these parents are so angry, I was ripped off just like they were. My son is now slightly older, and some has time has passed since his time in Carlbrook when he was seventeen. This parent supporting Carlbrook could have been me a short while ago, I believed it all too. We aren't evil people, believe that or not, we were just taken in by corrupt people wanting to make a quick buck off the backs of scared and ignorant parents. My son is now doing well in college, but only after he received proper treatment and therapy for his time at Carlbrook. He tell us now we wasted our money and it was a complete waste of time, and he had a horrible time. We still don't talk about it much, hopefully one day he can tell me everything. When I bring the subject up he gets angry so I let it go right now. I hope this can get better over the years. I apologize daily for my mistakes and hope he knows that I mean it. I found this forum by searching on Google and it is a great resource from what I can see. I've met other program parents and the posts here don't surprise me. We aren't all "tricked" into sending our child away with good intentions. Some parents just want to get rid of the child, it was sad to see that is the case sometimes. But this was not the case with my son. If you care about your child find an alternative to this place, it will only bring you problems in the future. Not to mention the college funds we wasted, now my husband had to go back to work and we all regret our ill fated decision. Once we got into family therapy and let him take responsibility for his life, well we really had no choice since he turned eighteen, things changed for the better. Once we stopped trying to control him and mold him into our ideal child things started to change for the better. Sending him away did nothing. If you have any questions for me or want to know more about my own experience please email me at JosephineGaulder@netscape.net Thank you for your time and for the opportunity for me to say this."

Thank you for sharing your view.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-17 16:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"These negative people are, for the most part, NOT program parents.  They are people with no connection whatsoever to the programs which they bash.

Ms. Gaulder, if you are for real, which I doubt, it sounds like your son did not benefit at all from Carlbrook. That is the case with a number of kids in any program.  There is no way the managing staff at Carlbrook is out to make a quick buck. They work night and day for relatively modest salaries.  Your son "had a horrible time". Did you think you were sending him to golf camp? "

Karen, is that you?  :wave:

[Anonymous]

I don't have much time for websites of this sort so if i do not respond immediately to whatever rebuttal you may send me, it's because I already know what your response will be and coming back to this site is very low on my priority list.  I also refrain from revealing my identity because I fear what individuals with so much misdirected anger and hate could do to muddy my name.  I am a Carlbrook staff and I do believe very strongly in the work most of our students do everyday.  This constant fear of brainwashings is so conspiratorial.  What is the purpose of these "brainwashings" you speak so much of?  What do we gain from them?  You cling to whatever supports your previously held notions and you disregard all that may open your mind to some degree.  I write this to dysfunction junction, but this is really for all of the destructionists on this website.  I understand your cynicism but I hope you can see how seeking only that which supports your initial premise is fallacious and keeps you blinded from the truth.  I really don't even want to argue with you on the kind of place I believe Carlbrook is because my words will fall upon deaf ears.  I do encourage you to do research outside of this website and weigh both the good and the bad of what you hear.  If Carlbrook really is an evil place, as many on this site paint it to be, by all means expose it.  Hell, if I notice something going on I believe to be detrimental to a child or taking advantage of a family, my voice will be heard.  Carlbrook is not perfect but we are always looking for ways to become better at what we do.  I have never witnessed an act of abuse, verbally or physically in all of my time at Carlbrook.  I also want to take this moment to speak to all of the graduates who visit this site.  You all are beautiful and I am glad you take some of what you have learned at Carlbrook to the larger world.  This is a sad website made up of many angry and confused kids.  I also feel for the parents that are making a very difficult decision about where to send their child and are probably wondering how things ever got this bad.  I encourage you to explore a variety of sources on the internet.  You can find many other sources based much more on fact and not so much on polluted opinion.

[Anonymous]

:wstupid:  :wave:  :lol: