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« on: July 22, 2005, 01:03:00 PM »
Did you know that there is not a specified age that the constitution applies to. Therefore it should, (and I say SHOULD) apply to all the teens that are locked up without a court order. Basicly , if the courts are not going to enforce it then we (the united states people) will have no say in anything the goverment does, we are in serious trouble. Thats what I see , its obvious anyway, that We The People , was only meant for those higher the food chain then us. The elite bloodline that has ruled the world for many , many years.
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2005, 01:11:00 PM »
Just imagine these kids are our future generation that will run things, its pretty scary what hatred they will harbor for authority, with good reason too!!
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2005, 01:53:00 PM »
PENI, this culture war has been simmering and smouldering for generations now. I don't have a problem w/ ppl who have a problem w/ authority. I think ppl who are entirely credulous to any authority that presents are a lot more frightening.

But I'm nowhere near as worried about it as I used to be. I've made it a point to become as familiar as I can w/ ppl who have been through these programs. Why? Because, when I first decided to closely examin the issue, I just assumed that a lot of my former fellow captives had stayed w/ the cult and gone on to careers in law enforcement, corrections, military and social services. (most frightening words in the English language being "I'm from the government and I'm here to help")

But what I've found is that it's extremely rare to find anyone who's been through one of these types of programs and who hasn't snapped out of it after, at most, a couple of years. While there's plenty of long term damage, there are very few among us who would support or encourage this type of treatment of their own kids or anyone's kids, for that matter. Up till now, we the Program vets, only represent, at most, around 1% of our age group.

Now, with all the free advertising on primetime teevee, I think we'll see a whole lot more involvement in the industry. There's no denying that advertising works. They can expect around 1% return on that immediately. But what will the long term results be? I don't know of any reason to believe they'll be any different from what we've seen over the last couple of generations. That is to say there will probably be a persistant but very small contingency of true believers, but the overwhelming majority will be decidedly opposed to these methods. There's just not enough money in the world to keep after that magnitude of bad PR.

Actually, it may even go worse for them than prior generations. Up till now, they've marketed in the same way as Amway or Herbalife or any other pyramid scheme. They generally avoid publicity, except where they get to closely control access and content. So they're essentially preaching to the choir. Brat Camp puts and end to that, placing the issue squarely before the entire public. The 1% who currently make up the industry will have a much harder time convincing themselves that they're in the majority.

I know that doesn't help you much in your current situation. But, looking on the bright side, when your kid is grown and past this, the issue will be a bit better understood by his peers.

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2005, 03:51:00 PM »
There is a reason a parent has custody of the child till they are 18. Dumb ass
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2005, 04:55:00 PM »
There are also good reasons why it's criminal to abuse children in your custody. But there's hope on the horizon. Half a dozen thugs have just been indicted for child abuse in a Georgia state run facility and Charles Long II is in the big house w/ a bunch of very rebellious, smart mouthed, tough thugs for a couple of years, anyway. I hope they know why he's there and are able to give him a good dose of his own medicine!

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2005, 03:55:00 AM »
I think that all of these camps/schools/prisons are unconstitutional and should be declared as such by the supreme court. Amendment V to the Constitution of the United States says:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

notice that part about not being deprived of liberty without due process? it seems violated here. and even if the programs did help, if they were good, it doesnt matter because the consitution says what it says and in my opinion it MUST be followed.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2005, 12:31:00 PM »
The Constitution should apply to any U.S citizen, no matter the age. Thats why the Constituion was so important, so issues as these woukd not come up. This was suppose to be a free country for all that live here, not just those over 18, and allthough parents are supposedly given the right to raise their children, parents who put their kids in these schools ARE NOT raising them!!!! Locking them up without due process is totally un constitutional no matter which way you look at it! Unless they are locked up  in juvie! If a parent thinks their child is a danger to society then is it okay for them to lock their kid up in a closet?To me it is the same "F"in thing and I believe that the courts wouldnt take to kindly of a parent locking a child up in their house right? Tell me what is the difference? Actually haveing a total stranger keep your kid locked up is worse!
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2005, 12:37:00 PM »
Oh , I would like to paint the picture of also locking your child in the closet at home for their own saftey and well being, do you think that reasoning would justify that action if CPS were involved? Please tell me what the hell is the difference, if you were still home schooling the child and let them have "yard time" and of course feed them 3 times a day, I still believe that you would be charged with abuse.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2005, 06:47:00 PM »
Yes, I agree with you about the decision making of kids and parents, but when you hand over all the power of this to a complete stranger you are no longer taking care of your child, someone else is using your right to parent. How can they make all the decisions when the parent has not signed over custody?
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2005, 11:23:00 PM »
Many facilities make the parents sign contracts which give the school 49% custody of the child.  Here is the problem, for the kids whose parents are divorcees, with joint custody, BOTH parents have to sign a release to get the child out, even though it takes only one parent to sign the child in!
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2005, 03:32:00 AM »
sure, whatever............and like anyone really gives a ----!
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2005, 11:30:00 AM »
grabbing at straws, no. Frustrated, hell yes! Thank you, it seems that prayers are the only way to get through this, until things change in the teen help industry I guess al we really do have is prayer. Very many things are wrong in todays world, we obviously cant change them all, and for sure cant do it overnight! Thank you again, my son and myself can use all the prayers possible right now. Sincerly, me.
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2005, 01:05:00 PM »
:nworthy: now thats good advice!
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