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« on: July 17, 2005, 01:08:00 AM »
If one were not court ordered to these boarding schools ,and attempted to run away could the staff members actually use force to make you stay? Can they physically make these kids stay? Wouldnt that be illegal? Just wondering if anyone knew, I mean its not like they are escape felons right , they havent been tried and convicted, so whatz up?[ This Message was edited by: p.e.n.i.#1 on 2005-07-16 22:15 ]
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2005, 02:18:00 AM »
If they have custody they do I think. Otherwise theyd have to report you to the cops as a runaway. But well, then again, a parent can try to physically stop their own kid from running away, right? No court order needed.... so its kind of a grey area legally.

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2005, 03:21:00 AM »
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"If one were not court ordered to these boarding schools ,and attempted to run away could the staff members actually use force to make you stay? Can they physically make these kids stay? Wouldnt that be illegal? Just wondering if anyone knew, I mean its not like they are escape felons right , they havent been tried and convicted, so whatz up?[ This Message was edited by: p.e.n.i.#1 on 2005-07-16 22:15 ]"


Once a kid is over 18, they have the right to challenge any court order restricting their liberty ... meaning they can go to court and demand to be heard about how they feel about being forced into a therapeutic community. Most kids who are court ordered are minors ... ergo they have no right to due process.  As for kids who run away from a facility where they were placed by court order, they are usually hunted down and returned, under the auspices of enforcing the court order.

It's a racket no matter whether a kid is court or parent ordered ... and it sucks!
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2005, 08:51:00 AM »
LICENSED Residential Schools (by the way are not locked facilities in MA if they are licensed unless they are contractors of our JJ Detention Agency) cannot physically stop a young person from bolting, they can follow, etc., and NO the properly Licensed Residential Schools in MA Never Take Custody of the kids, the parents or state agency sending them (some come from Child Welfare) are the legal custodians/parents. If someone asked me to sign custody over to a program or anyone I would talk to that would mean "danger Will Robinson" to me, that is a huge red flag....
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2005, 11:04:00 AM »
When I tried to run from a WWASP facility in Montana, called Spring Creek- not only did the staff run after me, but so did a lot of the upper level students. They called on their radios 'RUNNER!' and every staff was after me.. didn't stand much of a chance, but I had to try. The facility goes on lockdown when you run to discourage other kids from running while the staff are distracted with the original runner. While I was being dragged up to the hobbit, for a week isolation, I saw everyone was in line heading to their cabins. Would I do it again? Yes. It provided much needed mental relief to a stressful situation. To cause chaos in a place where you have no control is strangely liberating.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2005, 11:39:00 AM »
They are not allowed to physically stop a runner, unless now unless it is a situation that warrants restraint - danger to self  or others but under a Mental Health Perspective - and they will follow or shadow a runner and call the Police as they should.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2005, 11:50:00 AM »
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"If one were not court ordered to these boarding schools ,and attempted to run away could the staff members actually use force to make you stay? Can they physically make these kids stay? Wouldnt that be illegal? Just wondering if anyone knew, I mean its not like they are escape felons right , they havent been tried and convicted, so whatz up?[ This Message was edited by: p.e.n.i.#1 on 2005-07-16 22:15 ]"


They are not supposed to. Yes, they do anyways.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2005, 11:52:00 AM »
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"They are not allowed to physically stop a runner, unless now unless it is a situation that warrants restraint - danger to self  or others but under a Mental Health Perspective - and they will follow or shadow a runner and call the Police as they should.

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You are delusional. You think they will 'shadow' a runner until police show up. Get real, and open your eyes. You live in fantasy land.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2005, 12:15:00 PM »
I don't know what institution  :silly:  you were in, we have residential schools here in MA and if they are appropriatly licensed No they cannot physically stop a child from running they do shadow them, and if it is found out otherwise they are sanctioned by the state, you are dilusional and have no clue except from your experiences or your listening and reading information that is not factual.  I am not talking about an unlicensed program like the former Desisto and Academy at Swift River - if a parent puts a child in a program that is not licensed appropriatly what does that say about them in itself, I am speaking of LICENSED PROGRAMS programs licensed......
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2005, 12:22:00 PM »
You talk in theory. I talk from experience.

And guess what? I have been stopped from running from a LICENSED facility in California as well.

Get your facts straight.
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2005, 12:27:00 PM »
These programs have been forcing by threat and actual physical restraint, young people to stay against their constitutional rights for over 30 years.

It is you, anon, that is entirely clueless. For the most part "licensing" is just another big joke.
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2005, 12:36:00 PM »
Not clueless not me, it is not a joke - well maybe in Florida (now I know you would agree with me on that) but it is not perfect either, it is though an added layer of some protection - education parent/consumer education is crucial and this is what I do, I cannot control whether a parent chooses to place, it is not up to me, and I am not an Ed Con either so can't go that route nor do I want to, if a parent calls I give them all the facts, connect them with other sources of information, etc., but they have to call me I can't go across the country knocking on doors, and our Residential Schools and Group Homes in MA fall under some stricter licensing, oversight, and service delivery regulations than most other states.  
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PS they are not supposed to do this and if they are physically stopping someone from running in a licensed school in MA I want to know about it that would be against regulations and law here.
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2005, 12:57:00 PM »
Provo Canyon School will not only go after "runners" themselves, they will physically take the kid down, drag them inside, and put them in restraints.  (no need to call the cops)
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2005, 04:11:00 PM »
Provo Canyon is where?  Not in MA my point exactly in my prior posts....
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2005, 04:53:00 PM »
Where in the original poster's question is there a mention of MA? I was answering the original question.
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