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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2005, 08:24:00 PM »
Here's one

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=1893&forum=9

As always, beware of trolls! Unless, of course, you are a troll. No offense if not. But I wonder if program trolls ever wind up trolling each other irl and, if so, how far along they get in the discovery process before they realize it?

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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2005, 08:54:00 PM »
There is a woman in NY who is a great resource for NY stuff - her name is Dee Alpert here is the link to her site http://www.specialeducationmuckraker.com/ she is a tireless advocate (not ed con) for children and families, she also is huge on the special education stuff and exposing bad people, educators, and providers.  I have found her to be very informed on the NY stuff and willing to share information.  You can also google her she is all over google.  I would or you could join our list serve at pfrr.org and join the region NY is in and the PFRR America one someone I know has had a kid in there or has had experience with this program.  Good luck it is always best to be informed and know what you are getting yourself and your child into.  
Also in MA if the child is placed on an IEP and not private pay they can stay until 22 depending on their abilitie to make decisions but it doesn't seem as though this is an issue in your situation.
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2005, 09:12:00 PM »
Have any former clients of this school filed affidavits? Are there any police reports on the place?

This is why people should file affidavits regarding the program they were in. Even if you never get anything from it directly, I think other people can use it to help their court case, or for the real information about a program.
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2005, 10:14:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-14 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

Also in MA if the child is placed on an IEP and not private pay they can stay until 22 depending on their abilitie to make decisions ...
Andrea


You say that like it's a good thing!

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utterly preposterous and its speaker
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2005, 04:37:00 AM »
GET YOUR CHILD OUT NOW!
There was a suicide at the Family foundation School in Hancock



Posted March 5, 2004

Recent Sad Events at the Family School
Press Release

Contact: Sidney Parham 845-887-5213
Hancock, NY

(March 4, 2004) At approximately 8:20 a.m. on March 4, 2004, a male student jumped from a second story balcony at the Family Foundation School outside of Hancock, New York. Within minutes trained school staff began CPR. He was transported by ambulance to Delaware Valley Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

The 17-year-old from Virginia had been at this emotional growth school for just two weeks. After a difficult first four days, the student seemed to be adjusting to his life at the school. On Wednesday during group counseling, he confessed to having had suicidal thoughts and was subsequently seen by a staff Clinical Social Worker. During this interview, the student indicated he had no plan to commit suicide or harm himself in any way, said he felt better after talking with the social worker. However, senior administration at the school maintained it was standard practice for such situations to continue monitoring the student for any changes that might indicate an imminent crisis. The initial investigation revealed no precipitating incident leading up to this tragedy and no suicide note was found.



http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/fam ... icide.html
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2005, 04:45:00 AM »
Also, on Alexia Park's (who wrote American Gulag) webdite, http://www.teenliberty.org/Dear_Alexia.htm, there is a letter which says


"Hi Alexia. 12/20/04. We are compiling a reader by and for teens on the systematic abuse of children in institutions such as those on your website...

....This reader is being compiled by two teenage artists and writers- Nick, who was locked up in the Family Foundation School in New York, Second Nature
Wilderness Program in Utah, and Saint Paul's Prep School in Arizona, and his close friend Sarah."



Obviously we can infer that Family Foundation school is indeed a lockdown.
Nick gave his email on the site as  Nick- mindweller@yahoo.com
maybe you should contact him?
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2005, 08:28:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-14 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:


Also in MA if the child is placed on an IEP and not private pay they can stay until 22 depending on their abilitie to make decisions ...

Andrea





You say that like it's a good thing!


No I am not saying it like it is a good thing I am telling the truth stating the facts isn't that what it is all about?  You may be well intended and I commend you for that - but to question the facts as being a good thing is ridiculous?  It is a fact it is the truth under IDEA that is the law, doesn't mean we have to like it, it is what it is.  Ya know their are two sides to every story, and the glass is always 1/2 full.  Radical I am not a radical - do I think their is a need for some places for some kids yes, do I strongly believe that Parents and Consumers should have all the facts all the truth's YES YOU BET I DO, not my version, not my perception, but the facts and the truth.  I am so happy you have committed your life to this web board, your writing and questioning me does not insult me at all, I am truly truly in belief that I am one of the good persons, believe me or not I am on your side, but I also know that I cannot nor will try to control parents and their decisions all I can do is present the FACTS and the TRUTH. If this is done in a radical way the credibility is sometimes questioned, I used to be radical and got no where now I am getting to bunches of parents, and making a difference.  I commend you and your energy and the ability to have nothing to do all day but post on forums, I on the other hand stand strong in telling the truth and giving all the facts, as everyone is upset about Struggling Teens givng their version the way they see it, you can't have it both ways either you tell the truth, state true facts and be able to back them up or don't say anything at all.
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2005, 03:48:00 PM »
Forgive me for being really dumb but what is a troll? I have an idea but just want to know if Im right or just being "parinoid"
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2005, 03:55:00 PM »
It should be set up like a criminal court, if parents are going to decied to relenquish there control and supervison over there teen, they should be heard in a court to decied if the teen is truly "out of control, defiant" Its pretty fucked up (i wasnt gunna say it but it fits) when this country gives child molesters, drug dealers, theives, killers, more rights then children who have not ever been tried and convicted of anything, but found guilty by a money making industry like The Family School. If all teens "behaved " Just think how much money they would loose, possibly even shut down, it bullshit!
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2005, 10:07:00 AM »
A bit of education for you Anti - no I wasn't saying that because it was a good thing I said it because it is the truth a fact - what credibility do you have if you don't tell the truth - the facts?  I doubt any, at any rate let me explain:

Under IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Educational Act - Federal Special Education Law) a child who is on an IEP (Individual Education Plan)can if needed or neccesary (decided with the team which includes the parents) that a child/adolscent may need more time to graduate up to 22 years of age.  I had said if this child is publically paid and in this placement with an IEP then this could be the case if the child/adolescent was not able (due to the severity of the disability) to make this decision or be a part of it.  So before you go flaring off with the typing - understand the very systems you are trying to change or in your case shut down.  
Ya know whatever terrible things you have been exposed to in your life I am so sorry for although not my doing! What ever it was it is quite obvious to anyone who reads your posts that it was so awful it has lead you to be so vicious about people who really could be well intended (myself included I am well intended), but go about things differently than you. I do what I do because of personal experiences my daughter and others including myself faced while she was in residential hell a while back, I know that if I don't do something to make it better for the next parents and families it will get worse or would get worse, I have been doing this since 1997 and have a bit of insight that others may not have yet.  
At any rate I am on your side on a lot of things, I am pissed at the Ed Consultant and Struggling Teen Industry it is a huge money making industry I also pick up the pieces in MA for the parents who do go through them, and have not great results, I help clean up the messes some of them make.  but I also believe that their is always going to be a need for kids to have to be in Residential Schools (their is a population that it is the only resort after all others have been exhausted) no matter how unfortunate, and not being fooled myself - know that a lot of the MA programs are not involved with these scams.  When they need to be held to toe believe me they are.  
I can't nor won't tell parents what to do, I will listen to a desperate parent, help them to make a decision on their own by presenting all facts ALL facts, I also NEVER refer to Ed Consultants or any of those "associations" this is a decision I made from day one, but knowing that kids are going to end up in placements came to a concious decision that the parents and kids as consumers should be better informed.  

Remember in order to promote positive changes you must have adequete and reasonable solutions.

Andrea
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2005, 07:35:00 PM »
I never post anonymously so for the purposes of this thread call me FuriousGeorge.

First impression I get:  either original poster is genuinely a parent in an unfortunate position, or its someone who purposely tugs at the heart strings of people to get information on someone they have no business knowing anything about.

im just sayin:  dad's dont usually get full and sole custody, so for this one to get it maybe there is genuinely something wrong with the mom.

how do we really know that's the mom or even the woman.  (how could someone lie like that on the internet!)

ANYWAY I JUST WENT THERE FOR MY BRAT REALTIVE TO SUPPORT HIS PARENTS AND HERE IS MY IMPRESSION:

#1  You can leave when you are 18.

when he is 18 you tell him to get a backpack together, walk somewhere where you can wire him money, and maybe he will go to you.  if you cant get him money, or he cant figure out how to use money to get to you,.. let's just say it wasnt meant to be.

#2  Its a school for brats in the classical sense, not the mentally ill or career criminals.  

They're rich kids usually smoking pot, which in and of itself isnt bad (don't get me wrong), failing classes, getting in trouble one way or another, promiscuous, defiant, irresponsible, manipulative, and so much more :smile:

These kids almost always have had the world handed to them.  They think that mom or dad (or the house keeper) put clothes in the washing machine which teleports it into their closet.  These kids usually pit one parent against another especially in cases of divorce.  

I cannot emphasize enough: they are master manipulators, and even in cases where both parents are present they run the household.

Back to the origianl post:  are we really to be surprised:  a brat gets put in boarding school and convinces the noncustodial parent that the custodial parent is actually a sadistic animal who is only using the child to hurt them.  How hard is it to convince a parent with zero custidy of that?

#3  This school is very expensive (circa $50K) if daddy put him there he obviously loves him very much

Not everything i've read a about boarding schools in general is positive, and since I also have a realtive in this school I made sure to do some research on my own.

Most of the people that complain are manipulated parents like the poster.  They main complaint:  the schools try to keep you there for too long to milk the parents wallets.

The Family Foundation is an 18 month program.  Who knew it would take more than three month to change a child's entire perspective on life?

The second major complaint is that phone conversations are monitored.

At this school they are as well... by other students.  You get hung up on if you disrespect your mom and dad, for instance, by trying to convince someone without custody to rescue you (hint:  when your kid says:  I promise I'll be good mommy i swear!!!  He is lieing.  Thats why he got sent there)


I didnt want anything military or anything too religious for my blood, and I was pleased to see some things.  The kids make their own food and do their own luandry, most of them for the first time in their lives.  When they say jump, the kids respond "How High".

These kids are usually such defiant brats, they wait to see what borders have been laid down just to cross them.  At this school, when assembly starts at 12:00 sharp the entire student body meets, one of the faculty starts the announcements by asking how they are doing.  Literally all of them said "Bright Eyed and Bushy Tailed" in perfect unison.

Am I a little scared that the even the kids who gave the tour were so universally positive about the school around us?  Yes.  One of our tour students said tenatively that he planned to stay past 18, but at the "Family Group" meeting, the staff (and students) confronted this kid about the desire to leave.

On the other hand, do I ahve any illusion that all these kids are misunderstood?  Absolutely not.  I'm 24 now, so I'm no conservative geezer.  I see what happened to the kids who had parents that couldnt control them.  The only people who end up paying for it almost as much as the kids are the spineless parents.

I was no angel, but I've also tutored a kid or two since turning 18 and I'll say this:  kids are brats.  Yes, its the parent's fault 99% of the time, but lets face why boarding schools are becomming so popular:  you parents cant raise your own damn children.

When I screwed up my parents rocked my world and while they may have been too harsh from time to time, when it comes to brats I think its better to err on the size of caution.  I'm not saying you gotta beat your brat (much), I can count on one hand the amount of times I got slapped (or maybe a bit more), and I only wish I had said "Thank you Sir can I have another" because even if I didnt fully deserve it once, it gave me the fear of God that these kids lack. (I deserved it!)

On the other hand this is the bottom line.  As Bill Maher says, I'm not having kids till you people start having some I would want my kids to hang around with.  If you cant raise your brat (and if the court says you can't you probably can't) send his ass to some people who can.

To hear these kids at this particular school talk about goals and their emotional responses to recent obstacles is impressive.  I'm not saying all boarding schools are great, and I'm not saying terrible things don't happen, but if you are really a concerned parent, stop getting played by your kid.  This school seemed just right for my blood, and  it will probably make your blood a better person too, in the end.

So thats my experience and resulting opinion, since you asked for it.  Here's one quick prediction:  If you child spends more than 6 months in that school before his 18th birthday, dont be at all surprised if he stays to get his High School Diploma.





(one final thought for parents of "non-troubled kids")
Does you kid wanna go on to college?  Does he at least try in High School to achieve this goal (pass all his classes with a C- or better)?  Does he abstain from drugs besides the occasional joint and a beer with their buddies?  When you punish him, does he take it?

If you can answer all of these questions with "yes" then your kids has some values in line, and will probably grow up just fine without a boarding school.  You cant protect them from what they will see as soon as they get to school (or go live in college) but you can prepare them to act right by doing whats in their own best interest.  

Give them responsiblities and come down on them like a siht storm when they don't know how to act.  Its a fine line, but maybe if you smell a little beer on your kids breath for the first time at 17 years old, maybe you let that one slide.  Sometimes you gotta let a kid be a kid.
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2005, 08:10:00 PM »
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I cannot emphasize enough: they are master manipulators, and even in cases where both parents are present they run the household.

Back to the origianl post: are we really to be surprised: a brat gets put in boarding school and convinces the noncustodial parent that the custodial parent is actually a sadistic animal who is only using the child to hurt them. How hard is it to convince a parent with zero custidy of that?


Bullshit, they're children! They're not masters of anything yet. Remember that the nocustodial parent has known the custodial parent longer than the kid has. They usually have a pretty good idea what to believe or not about them.

Do you honestly believe that money buys love? That's very sad.

Andrea, sorry if I took your comment the wrong way. You seemed to be suggesting that a parent could take advantage of this nifty legal trick to keep their kids incarcerated w/o due process for even longer.

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2005, 11:40:00 PM »
No problem Anti - it is just the law that protects kids rights to an education as long as needed or until 22 if they are living with a disability....  I wanted you to understand, I was actually shocked you didn't.
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« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2005, 07:29:00 AM »
I didnt want anything military or anything too religious for my blood, and I was pleased to see some things. The kids make their own food and do their own luandry, most of them for the first time in their lives. When they say jump, the kids respond "How High".

For you to think that the Family School is not too religious, proves just how ignorant and unobservant you are.  Religion dictates everything in that place.  Everyone has to believe in God, or they will drag rocks up hills and be held out of class, get zeros and get left back to generate more income for the school.  Attend one of their graduations and listen to the students' speeches.  God, god, god, god, lord Jesus Christ.  That's pretty much what you will hear.  No real world solutions.  just "The Lord Jess Christ saved me."
And maybe we do live in a world taken over by brattism.  But you don't think there's any other solution that may not involve handing over thousands to some private prison.  But the brat in a soup kitchen.  Make them do charity work.  Tons of opportunities, just that these parents are too lazy to do the real work.
And believe me, the students that are hand picked to lead the visitor's tours are the chosen ones, the ones who rat out everyone else for brownie points.  They enjoy and get off on their own power.  You think anyone who's there could really tell you what's going on in that place?  They would be hauling rocks and sitting in corners for months.  Keep in mind that they choreograph everything for visitors; they have it down to a science.  And how disturbing is it that everyone is chanting in unison, "Bright Eyed and Bushy Tailed."  I'm sure that someone is that group is having a bad day, and yet they have to lie about it, or face punishment.  The place is a cult, plain and simple.
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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2005, 07:50:00 AM »
Isn't Family School based on the 12 Steps ? Since it is, you are surprised that religion and believing in a higher power play a part in those that choose to work the steps ? The 12 steps are a real world solution for many of us.

You are also wrong when you say you are put on work detail for not believing in God.
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