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« on: July 05, 2005, 06:50:00 PM »
The first Amendment of the United States Constitution states "Congress shall pass no laws regarding religious establishment."

In 1986 I was involuntary and unknowningly court ordered to complete Straight Inc. Part of this court order required me to attend Alcholics Anonomous along with group particapation at Straight Inc. that included prayors. A.A. cerimonies include prayors (lords prayor, serinity prayor, etc), stepcraft(a form of voodoo) and A.A. refers to their book as "their bible." The court order required me to finish Straight Inc. with no other options.

Last Friday a Colorado State District Attorney attempted to have me court ordered to A.A. and as President George Bush calls it "faith based treatment."  I refused claiming a violation of my First Amendment right for freedom of religion.
My attorney and the DA discussed the matter and concluded that "YES, it is unconstitutional to court order me to AA or "faith based treatment."
They replaced required A.A. with 12 hours of community service and faith based treatment with an evaluation from a theorpist of my choosing. I have 2 months to accept this offer or to fight the allogations against me.

I think it is bullshit that schools, courthouses, businesses and several other places are being forced to remove all religious materials and activities from their enviroment while courts order people to religious ceremonies.
 

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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2005, 08:41:00 PM »
R.Y.,

I think its great that you know your constitutional rights, I know that sounds pat of me. Sometimes I really hate posting on here because it reminds of what I didn't know then. It actually offers me some relief to know now what we didn't know then, honest.

I'm sorry that we live in such an anarchist society that is masked as mercantile capitalism money making hot crap.

I wound up doing some community service that I never completed for the YMCA back a few years ago. You are welcome to make up your own non-profit that you can do at your leisure. If you provide information to anyone, such as homeless folks or whomever...this IS community service. You do not have to have, depending on your city and state rules, a 501c3 license to do community service for yourself and your community. I personally have a non profit that informs our community about facts and statistics of homelessness in and around our community. I am not in your state however.  Think about that. Most PO's don't care what you do as long as it sounds legitimate and you can find someone they can call to verify the hours you work.

Also, if you think it is worth fighting the case, do so...most of the work can be done on your own as you are afforded the right to defend yourself and represent yourself. Doubtless with all the debating and confrotational skills you have amassed over time and from the past, you could beat this small insignificant 'charge' regarding whatever it is they think you did.
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2005, 10:05:00 PM »
I've done fought and won the small shit.  This is 4 charges that can land me 2 yrs if I fight and lose.  The plea agreement reduces it down to 1 charge with a punishment of 10 days jail straight or 15 days work release, plus community service and the theorpy.  I think I can get through the evaluation which will leave me with a super short jail term, community service and a fine.  When it comes to fines I think like "The Boozers" from Dallas, TX. "Pay the fine, ain't shit to me."

I've won quit a few.  but 2 yrs is a big gamble compared to the plea agreement.  Plus they took out the A.A. and treatment. I think I'll probally go with the anonomous poster that somewhere wrote "bend like the palm trees during the storm and you'll survive."

In 1999 I had to do community service in Midland, TX.  For the community service my band played some benefit shows to fund the construction of William/Sam skate park, named after 2 kids that were ran over skating in the street.  Everytime I'm in Midland, TX I go to that skate park, watch kids skate and think "wow, I helped make this happen."  Next I want to get them some lights so they can skate at night.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2005, 09:53:00 AM »
Reagan funny ya mention that because there was an article in the paper about the skatepark: They are trying to get lights for it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2005, 11:05:00 AM »
I have a kid that skates there! She loves it!
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2005, 06:24:00 PM »
I'm glad your daughter likes the skate park anon.  Linchpin, hopefully Midland will get those lights within the next year.  If not I'll throw some more benefit shows.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2005, 10:51:00 AM »
4 charges against you that could get you two years.

Somehow that doesn't surprise me.  


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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2005, 06:22:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-05 15:50:00, Reagan Youth wrote:

"The first Amendment of the United States Constitution states "Congress shall pass no laws regarding religious establishment."



In 1986 I was involuntary and unknowningly court ordered to complete Straight Inc. Part of this court order required me to attend Alcholics Anonomous along with group particapation at Straight Inc. that included prayors. A.A. cerimonies include prayors (lords prayor, serinity prayor, etc), stepcraft(a form of voodoo) and A.A. refers to their book as "their bible." The court order required me to finish Straight Inc. with no other options.



Last Friday a Colorado State District Attorney attempted to have me court ordered to A.A. and as President George Bush calls it "faith based treatment."  I refused claiming a violation of my First Amendment right for freedom of religion.

My attorney and the DA discussed the matter and concluded that "YES, it is unconstitutional to court order me to AA or "faith based treatment."

They replaced required A.A. with 12 hours of community service and faith based treatment with an evaluation from a theorpist of my choosing. I have 2 months to accept this offer or to fight the allogations against me.


Good to see you fighting the bullshit Stepcult and their court-ordered indoctrination.  More people should do the same.
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2005, 07:49:00 PM »
Reagan Youth is a Rock Star  :tup:
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2005, 10:55:00 AM »
isn't that the simple truth?! i always wondered if anyone had ever contested aa for those reasons alone...i would have to bargain for an alternative too...thanks to straight, even aa/na wigs me out...also, i am a christian.....man, i have never seen such a MISUSE of the concept of God in my life...

by the way, the therapist thing will be a breeze....thanks straight...hehe

anyways, i agree that it is a violation of the 1st ya know...

peace

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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2005, 08:55:00 PM »
Good luck RY - I'm pulling for you!
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2005, 11:47:00 PM »
I'm contacting Dreamworks to do a movie of your life, RY.  :tup:
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2005, 09:59:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-16 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Reagan Youth is a Rock Star  :tup: "


sorry your spelling is off. Here is the correction.


RY is a cock scar.


Glad to help.

 :tup:
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2005, 03:26:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-18 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-07-16 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Reagan Youth is a Rock Star  :tup: "




sorry your spelling is off. Here is the correction.





RY is a cock scar.





Glad to help.



 :tup: "


Your ideas intrigue me.  I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2005, 06:43:00 PM »
Thanks for the love folks.
Anonomous spell corrector, it was your love that put the scar on my cock from you teething it too much.  Don't bite so much on your future dick sucking ventures.  ya fucking pole sucker. ::both::
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