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Offline wantingtohelp

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« on: June 20, 2005, 07:30:00 PM »
I am currently looking toward employment in a number of these 'wilderness therapy' programs.  (alldredge acad, suws, cfreer, anasazi, etc.)  I've been reading a number of the posts here on this board, and I understand it's impossible for any organization/program to please everyone.  And with all due respect to those who have been abused/neglected at these programs, are there any programs that can (allthough arguablly) endorsed by members of this site?   -thanks
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2005, 07:58:00 PM »
No and if you have any human decency you would not work for any of those places after you read this site.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2005, 07:59:00 PM »
My opinion (you asked for it): I would suggest solicitation of opinions outside of this site.  Most here have had horrible experiences with a horribly coersive program and have a "slight" bias against behavior modification through anything guised as "therapy".

Analogy:  No 9/11 survivor or family member would be differentiate between "good" Al Quaeda vs "bad".  No one of Jewish heritage would say that there were "good" nazis and "bad" ones.  

Your own findings subsequent to researching the facilities of interest should be much more valuable than any information you glean from vets of STRAIGHT and/or similiar programs.

Personally speaking, I don't endorse any programs as I do not spend any time researching nor making judgements on who is good, bad, or indifferent.  I don't have a troubled teen that is a candidate for such programs, and I am highly allergic (secondary to my own shitty experience in such a program) to anything that modifies a persons choice of behavior.

My closing opinion, if you really want to make a difference in the life of a child and they decisions they make?  Be a teacher and nix the idea of a wilderness therapy.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2005, 08:05:00 PM »
I have to second that. I've read bad things about every program you mention. Every one of them seeks and promises to do just what the last anon says; to forcibly change the kids' chosen behavior against their will.

That presents a clear conflict of interests. An authentic therapeutic relationship is based upon trust. Coercion destroys trust. Pick one. Do you want to coerce people for a living, or do you want to help people for a living. You can't do both. They're mutually exclusive concepts.

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2005, 08:11:00 PM »
Some of the worst staff I knew, had the attitude they were 'helping' children by what they were doing.

If you want to help, don't work for these programs.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2005, 08:45:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-20 17:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If you want to help, don't work for these programs."


Amen!!
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2005, 11:03:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-20 16:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"My opinion (you asked for it): I would suggest solicitation of opinions outside of this site.  Most here have had horrible experiences with a horribly coersive program and have a "slight" bias against behavior modification through anything guised as "therapy".



Analogy:  No 9/11 survivor or family member would be differentiate between "good" Al Quaeda vs "bad".  No one of Jewish heritage would say that there were "good" nazis and "bad" ones.  



Your own findings subsequent to researching the facilities of interest should be much more valuable than any information you glean from vets of STRAIGHT and/or similiar programs.



Personally speaking, I don't endorse any programs as I do not spend any time researching nor making judgements on who is good, bad, or indifferent.  I don't have a troubled teen that is a candidate for such programs, and I am highly allergic (secondary to my own shitty experience in such a program) to anything that modifies a persons choice of behavior.



My closing opinion, if you really want to make a difference in the life of a child and they decisions they make?  Be a teacher and nix the idea of a wilderness therapy.

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2005, 11:15:00 PM »
:silly: yeah I'd like to endorse Straight Inc. by the Sea:

http://fornits.com/SIBS/

 :silly:  :silly:  :roll:

I think you should go work there  :tup:
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2005, 12:57:00 AM »
An excellent suggestion, Leigh. It's great to see that you're working your program and spreading the word about SIBS. You've seen the light after all!
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2005, 04:08:00 PM »
you spelled "question" wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2005, 12:14:00 PM »
I've been working in the Wilderness portion of Alldredge for nearly a year now.  After spending the last hour reading some of the posts about the Academy, I can see that it has changed a great deal since its inception.  The people that I work with are all caring, dedicated individuals who glady put their own comfort out of mind in order to better work with students.  The Alldredge therapeutic model does make some assumptions based on moral high grounds (ie- it's not good to attempt to intimidate people physically, manipulate them emotionally, compulsively lie or steal) and does attempt to show youth that a negative life pattern can form from arrests, fistfights, etc.  Many of the contributors to this forum seem to think that discouraging youth from these behaviours is limiting their ingrained freedoms, however, it is Alldredge's belief that choices in life are what matters- only some choices can limit choices down the road.

Alldredge is not a Behaviour mod program, nor TOUGHLOVE... at least not anymore.  And no, students are not trained in Search and Rescue so they can track down their erstwhile comrades who are on the run (that one gave me a great laugh).  The majority of what I have read on the program on this forum seems to have been written by people who have never attended, and obviously know next to nothing about the program.  If you are seriously interested in any program, I would advise you to contact the program itself and even set up a visitation.  That way is most likely to provide you with the real information you're looking for.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2005, 12:19:00 PM »
I have tried doing that for a few programs, guess what, they dont want us, CSA would not even e-mail me back, I was respectful, I did not flame, I did not curse or anything, I just asked to speak to some one in PR and they ignored me.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2005, 12:26:00 PM »
http://http://www.alldredgeacademy.org/programs_mythical_village.html

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Programs:                            Communal Village.                            

                                                 

                               

                                   

                                      Alldredge Academy

                        The                        Communal Village is a                            unique personal growth environment.

                         
The                              Village was created after studying indigenous cultures                              and discovering universal patterns in mental, emotional,                              and spiritual health.

                         
                              The Village is located along a mile shore                              line at the confluence of 2 small rivers. The students                              live in a community based system of interdependency.                              The culture of the village contrasts dramatically                              with their home adolescent culture. Community interests                              supersede individual interests. Each student is ?needed?                              by the community and directly affects the well being                              of others. Secrets, dreams, fears, and hopes are shared                              in groups and with individuals.

                         
The                              rite of passage consists of a series of experiences                              and knowledge to move from being a victim to a responsible,                              pro-active agent. Students learn in new ways, from                              literal to symbolic to mythical (the merging of literal                              and symbol), and to instantaneous (intuition, conscience,                              inspiration, etc.).

                         
                              They are engaged daily in the curriculum of the ?winds                              and journeys? which incorporates various archetypes                              into their new identities.

                         
Transformation                              comes from a combination of talking, listening, doing,                              reviewing, and wondering.

                         
                              Students spend hours building a personal drum and                              at least 2 hours daily practicing and playing rhythms                              with the rest of the community.

                         
                              Change in the village is defined as releasing, recapturing,                              and transforming. This includes conflicting beliefs,                              addictions, disturbing emotions, and detrimental behaviors.                              

                         
Students                              develop and practice successful behaviors to carry                              throughout their lives which will help them stay connected                              to honorable purposes, virtue, and a higher power.

                         
                              At the heart of it all is discovering a life purpose,                              a connection to a higher power (called the ?Source?                              in the village), and virtuous behavior and intent.      
   

This sounds like mind rape.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2005, 07:38:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-30 09:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I've been working in the Wilderness portion of Alldredge for nearly a year now.  After spending the last hour reading some of the posts about the Academy, I can see that it has changed a great deal since its inception.  The people that I work with are all caring, dedicated individuals who glady put their own comfort out of mind in order to better work with students.  The Alldredge therapeutic model does make some assumptions based on moral high grounds (ie- it's not good to attempt to intimidate people physically, manipulate them emotionally, compulsively lie or steal) and does attempt to show youth that a
negative life pattern can form from arrests, fistfights, etc.  Many of the contributors to this forum seem to think that discouraging youth from these behaviours is limiting their ingrained freedoms, however, it is Alldredge's belief that choices in life are what matters- only some choices can limit choices down the road.



Alldredge is not a Behaviour mod program, nor TOUGHLOVE... at least not anymore.  And no, students are not trained in Search and Rescue so they can track down their erstwhile comrades who are on the run (that one gave me a great laugh).  The majority of what I have read on the program on this forum seems to have been written by people who have never attended, and obviously know next to nothing about the program.  If you are seriously interested in any program, I would advise you to contact the program itself and even set up a visitation.  That way is most likely to provide you with the real information you're looking for."


what a crock of shit.   Oh please, now I see you are reformed!  Please save my childs life oh wise one.


FUCK YOU.
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2005, 08:43:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-30 09:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I've been working in the Wilderness portion of Alldredge for nearly a year now.  After spending the last hour reading some of the posts about the Academy, I can see that it has changed a great deal since its inception.  The people that I work with are all caring, dedicated individuals who glady put their own comfort out of mind in order to better work with students.  The Alldredge therapeutic model does make some assumptions based on moral high grounds (ie- it's not good to attempt to intimidate people physically, manipulate them emotionally, compulsively lie or steal) and does attempt to show youth that a negative life pattern can form from arrests, fistfights, etc.  Many of the contributors to this forum seem to think that discouraging youth from these behaviours is limiting their ingrained freedoms, however, it is Alldredge's belief that choices in life are what matters- only some choices can limit choices down the road.



Alldredge is not a Behaviour mod program, nor TOUGHLOVE... at least not anymore.  And no, students are not trained in Search and Rescue so they can track down their erstwhile comrades who are on the run (that one gave me a great laugh).  The majority of what I have read on the program on this forum seems to have been written by people who have never attended, and obviously know next to nothing about the program.  If you are seriously interested in any program, I would advise you to contact the program itself and even set up a visitation.  That way is most likely to provide you with the real information you're looking for."


All of the program supporers claim this. That we are all just a bunch of loons on the net with no connnection with programs. Lets get this straight first of all, most of us wouldnt be on here if we werent effected by a program somehow. The fact you are trying to sell your idea of a program on here shows your ignorance of this forum.

I do think most of us agree on one thing though... we all dispise people like you.
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