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« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2005, 12:08:00 AM »
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« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2005, 02:14:00 AM »
i heard that it was going to be hand delievered some time in October
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« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2005, 12:14:00 PM »
When is this going to be sent in? I'd suggest getting 500  signers and then going forward - I've been watching this petition and it is very slow moving.
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« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2005, 07:05:00 PM »
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« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2005, 09:59:00 PM »
500 signatures today!  

This petition, unless anything changes, will be hand delivered mid-Oct. along with other sign-on letters from parents, kids, and mental health professionals.

If you wish to include your own statement in the packet please see this website and contact Allison Pinto, PhD. (contact info on the website). The more personalized the better.

http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/cfsnews/2005news/A_START.html


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« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2005, 01:07:00 AM »
I was in such a program as an adolescent. I can testify that the damages far exceed any perceived benefits of placing teenagers in such abusive programs. This bill needs support.
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« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2005, 11:11:00 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2005, 11:10:00 AM »
Poll Results:

A big thank you to everyone who participated in our online poll for August/September. We had 164 responses to the question if there should be a national regulatory system over emotional growth/therapeutic residential schools and programs.

Please revisit our new poll for October and register your opinion. This month?s question asks: ?For children, are psychotropic (mood altering) drugs used: Too Much; About Right; Not Enough; Unsure.? To make your opinion count, please click here and share your opinion. The only limit is you can not vote more than once a day.

The poll question for August/September asked ?Should there be a national regulatory system over private schools and programs for struggling teens.? The responses were almost evenly split between yes and no. There were 75 responses (46%) for a national regulatory system, and 76 responses (46%) against, with only 13 (8%) being unsure. If this poll is representative of the public?s attitude, a big if since it is not a scientifically designed sample, the following are some possible interpretations, and observations based on my discussions with many people over the last several years.

From discussions I?ve had with people, I think the views of the yes votes were probably mostly for two reasons. One is that parents of kids with problems need all the help they can get, and they trust that regulators could provide some help by improving the quality of programs available to parents. The other is the regulators would be able to put pressure on programs that might be preying on parents through professional oversight, and eliminate dangerous and irresponsible practices.

The no votes would likely see the above as ?Great Expectations,? that is, that the yes voters are automatically and naively assuming that the regulators would be wise and supportive. The no voters likely are people that feel that a national regulatory system would tend to favor something similar to the public systems that parents tried and were disappointed by before they choose a private parent-choice school or program. The no voters also likely would be those that see some national regulatory system as a system developed by politicians and administered by bureaucrats ? a perspective that is a little scary. For example, if the system were set up to hire psychiatrists that favored medication therapy, then there would be pressure on all private programs to look more and more like hospitals under managed care, a system that is being criticized as being not very responsive to the needs of many teens with emotional/behavioral problems.

The almost even split between the two viewpoints suggests that the public is widely split, and we are a long way from consensus. Also, that the proposal has enough interest that it should be thoroughly debated, and all aspects studied. We at Woodbury Reports would be very interested in publishing submissions on a variety of viewpoints on this proposal as part of a public debate.

Lon Woodbury, MA, IECA
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« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2005, 11:40:00 AM »
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A big thank you to everyone who participated in our online poll for August/September. We had 164 responses to the question if there should be a national regulatory system over emotional growth/therapeutic residential schools and programs.



Please revisit our new poll for October and register your opinion. This month?s question asks: ?For children, are psychotropic (mood altering) drugs used: Too Much; About Right; Not Enough; Unsure.? To make your opinion count, please click here and share your opinion. The only limit is you can not vote more than once a day.



The poll question for August/September asked ?Should there be a national regulatory system over private schools and programs for struggling teens.? The responses were almost evenly split between yes and no. There were 75 responses (46%) for a national regulatory system, and 76 responses (46%) against, with only 13 (8%) being unsure. If this poll is representative of the public?s attitude, a big if since it is not a scientifically designed sample, the following are some possible interpretations, and observations based on my discussions with many people over the last several years.



From discussions I?ve had with people, I think the views of the yes votes were probably mostly for two reasons. One is that parents of kids with problems need all the help they can get, and they trust that regulators could provide some help by improving the quality of programs available to parents. The other is the regulators would be able to put pressure on programs that might be preying on parents through professional oversight, and eliminate dangerous and irresponsible practices.



The no votes would likely see the above as ?Great Expectations,? that is, that the yes voters are automatically and naively assuming that the regulators would be wise and supportive. The no voters likely are people that feel that a national regulatory system would tend to favor something similar to the public systems that parents tried and were disappointed by before they choose a private parent-choice school or program. The no voters also likely would be those that see some national regulatory system as a system developed by politicians and administered by bureaucrats ? a perspective that is a little scary. For example, if the system were set up to hire psychiatrists that favored medication therapy, then there would be pressure on all private programs to look more and more like hospitals under managed care, a system that is being criticized as being not very responsive to the needs of many teens with emotional/behavioral problems.



The almost even split between the two viewpoints suggests that the public is widely split, and we are a long way from consensus. Also, that the proposal has enough interest that it should be thoroughly debated, and all aspects studied. We at Woodbury Reports would be very interested in publishing submissions on a variety of viewpoints on this proposal as part of a public debate.



Lon Woodbury, MA, IECA

Certified Educational Planner

Woodbury Reports Inc.

http://www.strugglingteens.com

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IMO, this is propaganda at it's finest ... Mr. Woodbury is an educational consultant with an obvious interest in helping to keep the for profit teen help industry SELF-REGULATED.

Second, is it not a fact that Woodbury Reports publishes paid advertising for some of the most controversial programs while at the same time, censoring his discussion forums from anti-teen-helpers?  

Woodbury needs to get off his soapbox and let the survivors of residential treatment abuse proceed forward with their agenda. They, not he, know firsthand that self-regulation benefits the owners/operators of these facilities, not the inductees (residents).

Who's watching the teen helpers?  The ed cons?  The parent-owned referral agencies?  The Abductors-For-Hire? The TOUGHLOVE bullies?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2005, 12:09:00 PM »
For example, if the system were set up to hire psychiatrists that favored medication therapy, then there would be pressure on all private programs to look more and more like hospitals under managed care, a system that is being criticized as being not very responsive to the needs of many teens with emotional/behavioral problems.



I would take that over being at an abusive program anyday.  Medicate me, don't send me somewhere where the head guy has only an ecology degree for him to break me down to build me back up through coercion and terror- and attempt to 'treat' me w/o any idea what you are doing.  Really, though, the hope is that we can imporve access to home based quality care that involves the family and impowers youth, as part of Keeping Families Together Act, part of it reads:

Provide grants to states to create infrastructure to support and sustain statewide systems of care to serve these children more effectively and efficiently while keeping them with their families.
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Their are some communities- few and far between, with remarkably effective systems of care in place.  I say, why send your kid away, if not absolutely neccesary, when it is possible to resolve issues at home.   I think, at this point, most parents send their kids aways b/c they don't feel their exists any other alternative.  Hopefully, in due time, that will cease to be the case...  Being seperated from family is far more traumatic in itself...
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« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2005, 12:13:00 PM »
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« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2005, 11:18:00 AM »
soooooooooooo....almost 600 signatures!!
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« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2005, 10:21:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-06 09:13:00, katfish wrote:

"lon writes:

The almost even split between the two viewpoints suggests that the public is widely split, and we are a long way from consensus. Also, that the proposal has enough interest that it should be thoroughly debated, and all aspects studied. We at Woodbury Reports would be very interested in publishing submissions on a variety of viewpoints on this proposal as part of a public debate.





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I find this highly dubious,  there's nothing scientific about the poll and most people have no real idea the abuse that goes on at some of these facilities...I would expect that regulation would be a no-brainer.  Give me buearacracy over the abuse and lack of quality care I received any day!



w/o the facts people can't make an educated decision on the matter...in due time, perhaps."


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« Reply #74 on: October 19, 2005, 09:42:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-06 09:13:00, katfish wrote:


"lon writes:


The almost even split between the two viewpoints suggests that the public is widely split, and we are a long way from consensus. Also, that the proposal has enough interest that it should be thoroughly debated, and all aspects studied. We at Woodbury Reports would be very interested in publishing submissions on a variety of viewpoints on this proposal as part of a public debate.








my reply:





I find this highly dubious,  there's nothing scientific about the poll and most people have no real idea the abuse that goes on at some of these facilities...I would expect that regulation would be a no-brainer.  Give me buearacracy over the abuse and lack of quality care I received any day!





w/o the facts people can't make an educated decision on the matter...in due time, perhaps."




Newsflash: :smokin:

When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days.  Times have changed.  The gluttony has grown.
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