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« on: June 20, 2005, 02:38:00 PM »
Petition link! please sign! ---

http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html

read the bill the petition refers to here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.1738.IH:
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2005, 02:47:00 PM »
the little peons of this counrty can finally speak
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2005, 06:13:00 PM »
Zug Zug?

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2005, 12:23:00 AM »
Thanks for the information - the comments are good. I signed the petition and hope it will make a difference.
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2005, 04:22:00 AM »
Something Id like to point out is this is toothless. 50K civil fine as the only penalty?? COME ON!

Furthermore, this appears to be just a case of setting up a federal beaurocratsy and grants to keep kids safe and sound.. IN THE PROGRAMS.

The way its written, also indicates to me that it would have a hard time being used to actually DO ANYTHING about a bad program! 50K fine? CHUMP. CHANGE. As Ken Kay said it himself, its barely the cost of a G35 to get therapy.... one students tuition... pshaw.

Any step is a good step, but I want some god damn TEETH! Ive yet to see anything except licensing and possible license revoking (but how would they enforce that? another 50K fine? or remove the kids with sheriffs?) to actually force a program into compliance.

Theres also the problem of the way that the programs themselves operate make it so its hard for any hidden abuse (the most common kind) to come out. You cant offer a child immunity for saying they were abused - you cant even take them out of the program with reason to believe they wont be put back to make the complaint! Not even anonymity!

This is really appearing to be much ado the more I think about it, but I hope Im being a cynic!  :???:

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2005, 10:41:00 AM »
Fifty grand per count might not be chump change - and it would certainly cut deeply into the prophet margins.If it is more profitable to treat the kids decently than to treat them badly, maybe there will be fewer abusive programs around, even if the industry remains huge.

I'm pretty happy with how it reads. It is a big step forward. Keep in mind - anything as restrictive as you would like, would have no chance of passing. I think this is reasonable and can and should pass with little debate. How can anyone stand up and argue that this industry needs no regulation and that the abuse that take place is acceptable? Handled correctly by the opposition, such a stance would be death to a political career.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2005, 11:54:00 AM »
This bill was drafted to gather support - if the penalties were too outrageous it wouldn't fly in the house.  SAD TRUTH - this bill may not even make it to the floor. It really needs our support now - there's nothing better out there and no better advocate for this cause than George Miller. So I really feel strongly that we need to get behind this.

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2005, 07:57:00 PM »
How long has this petition been in circulation? Does anyone know. Just currious because there aren't that many signatures yet- about 125 today
June 21.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2005, 02:52:00 PM »
Hi all,

the petition has been circulating since the wee hours of the morning on the 18th.

signatures/day"

6/18    5
6/19    41
6/20    42
6/21    52
6/22    6

i've worked hard at spreading the word, but I'm a student and work so it's hard.  If anyone wants to help out and send petition out to child advocates or mental health sites, requesting they post on their site the link or send out an action alert perhaps we can galvanized more people...

kat
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2005, 06:54:00 PM »
50 Grand per count might be worthwhile, granted they actually get enough counts to make it stick. The MILLIONS these places make as profit annually would make 50K be chump change, unless you multiplied it by a lot of charges.

Also, what would be done about the kids that are in a program and need some way to reach out for help? What about that? What about a kid whose going to level an accusation? Would he be kept in the program?

The utter control these places exert are going to make it a bitch to get any info out of the kid. We've all seen what happens when reporters go.

And, whats gonna happen if a license is revoked? How do they remove the kids by force?

I'm not tryign to shit on this, Im just asking how this would be ENFORCED.

Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked,  and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that  the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque  self-deception."  
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2005, 04:59:00 PM »
166 this afternoon. Are any other sites promoting this?
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2005, 05:21:00 PM »
Kat, seriously, you're spinning your wheels. I've decide that I'm not going to comment publicly on the content of the bill or the petition to pass it because I don't think I can do that and deal w/ the spammin issue w/ any credibility. So I picked one; the spamming.

You have probably alienated some ppl from you and from the legislation by posting the exact same message again and again in all forums. This also seperates interested parties from each other. One person responds to one thread, another to one of the many others, and so on. It makes it very difficult for a conversation to grow.

So, after the first two posts or so, the rest of that effort has been a waste of time, possibly counterproductive to what you're trying to accomplish.

Instead, please talk about why you think this bill is such a good idea. Answer ppl's questions about it, etc.

Additionally, you should be looking for other relavent venues. If you're in school, you have regular access to all kinds of publications and social scenes related to the campus and student body. Check those out. We're not the only people in the world who would take an interest in this. You just have to find the hooks, join their conversations and show them why this issue is important to them.

That's my advice for the day. Tune in next time for more unasked for advice. :wink:

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2005, 06:07:00 PM »
Does anyone know how this bill is doing? I've heard it could die if it doesn't get more support.

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2005, 03:59:00 PM »
200 sigs in a week. how long do you have?
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2005, 10:55:00 AM »
231 today - oh well.....
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