Does Deborah's Anti-Psychiatry posts help anyone?

[Anonymous]

Actually, the Stepcult is even more insidious than Ron's bunch of geeks.  Scientologists don't get other churches to give them space for recruiting and meetings, the Stepcult does.

By the way, teach children to worship Satan.

[Deborah]

Sex Survey
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =40#109909

[001010]

That's a little broad to be called a "sex survey" and the kids don't put personal info on them. I honestly don't think that's inappropriate for a 6th grader. They should know what sex is by then, it's not like they're passing out porn.

Also, that's a Christian-based website, and I thought you were against Christianity?  ::
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[001010]

Regardless

I don't pay attention to surveys done to define "AT RISK" behaviors in adolescents to begin with...

Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
--Annie Dillard, "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek"

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[Antigen]

What difference does that make? Somebody's going to a lot of trouble to gather this data. Somebody's paying attention to it. Who do you suppose that is? And what are they doing with it?

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

[001010]

Using it to spread propaganda and Drug War hype perhaps?

The words "AT RISK" kinda give that away.

The article is attacking the survey from a much different angle. I have a hard time believing parents couldn't see the things if they wanted to, but still, the words "intercourse" or "condom" aren't sins to say to a child in their appropriate (for that age group) contexts. It is strange to not ask parental consent, though. I suppose that?s part of what you sign up for with a public education, and why many parents choose private schools, religious schools, or home school.

The question is does the survey serve to hurt or help? I think it could go both ways. Information in&of it?s self is a good thing. It depends on the recipient and how it's used in the end...
 

If you want a voluntary urine sample from me it'll have to be a taste test.
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[Paul]

On 2005-06-27 12:57:00, Antigen wrote:

"Oh Deb, you do need to know a bit more about the clams if you're going to build a sensible position on psychiatry and drugging. Just take a walk through Clearwater anytime you wish. There are always flyers posted by families and friends looking for missing people. COS has been deemed a cult in most industrialized countries. That's fact. It's unwise to trust their information sources. In a word, they make WWASP look like church ladies by comparison when it comes to slapp suits.

Wow, Ginger, sometimes you have such a sweet way with words. What a nice way to approach Deborah on this subject.

I would like to add, and I wish I had your tact, that Deborah has stated that she is not involved at all with the mentally ill.

She is only, IMHO, the biggest know it all, regarding the mentally ill on this board. Strange for someone who doesn't deal with us. I wonder what drives her so hard on this topic.

The clients movement in mental health gets pretty darn mad when people without any involvement preach to them. I am very passive on this subject, others are not so ...

[Paul]

On 2005-06-27 12:57:00, Antigen wrote:

"Oh Deb, you do need to know a bit more about the clams if you're going to build a sensible position on psychiatry and drugging. Just take a walk through Clearwater anytime you wish. There are always flyers posted by families and friends looking for missing people. COS has been deemed a cult in most industrialized countries. That's fact. It's unwise to trust their information sources. In a word, they make WWASP look like church ladies by comparison when it comes to slapp suits.

Sorry to quote you a second time, but it is important ... to me.

Your statement:

On 2005-06-15 18:31:00, Antigen wrote:

"Oh, are you shittin' me? Deb provides a great deal of background and research info to these discussions.


Carried a lot of influence to me. I know that is my choice to take what you state seriously, but regardless it did.

I don't want to pile on Deborah here about her motivation for using infomation generated by Scientology, or her knowledge of the COS, or lack thereof, but if she hadn't been tossing these references around like it was from her heart this whole flaming Scientology episode on Fornits would not have happened.

There is a silver lining, it did motivate me to read up on the COS, and now I do no more. For that I am grateful, but I wish it could have happened in a more benign manner.

[Deborah]

Paul,
Post the url in which I ?preached? to you or anyone else in the ?client movement?. I?m really getting sick of refuting your outright lies and misunderstandings.  FYI, I am really not interested in debating or discussing your, or anyone else?s, personal choice regarding their mental health OR in trying to persuade you in any particular direction. I really couldn?t care less when the day is done if you take drugs or not.

For about the third time now, I will repeat?.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =50#112761

That?s right Paul? insinuate that all the information I share is generated by scientology, when in fact it is a small percentage, which is supported by non-scientologists. Flame them all you want. Stop attacking me. I feel certain you do this because you can?t refute the valid information that I post. It?s easier to ?discredit? me. Ho hum

[Paul]

On 2005-06-27 17:00:00, Deborah wrote:


FYI, I am really not interested in debating or discussing your, or anyone else?s, personal choice regarding their mental health


"

Halleluhea, does this mean we are done!!!

[Paul]

On 2005-06-27 17:00:00, Deborah wrote:



Post the url in which I ?preached? to you or anyone else in the ?client movement?.

I think the way you should look at yourself in this issue would be to feel how the participants of Fornit's would feel if someone not involved in this behavioral modification industry, ***at all***, came on and said hey, you all needed it, the past is the past, now get on with your lives and stop complaining.

[Deborah]

Well, if you mean, am I going to stop posting, No. If you mean, are we done interacting. That's up to you. If you hadn't orchestrated an attack on me personally, chances are very good that I wouldn't have interacted with you directly at all. Here's a deal... Argue the 'expert' opinions I post but don't engage me directly and I will be very happy to do the same. I don't enjoy interacting with you.

[Deborah]

***I think the way you should look at yourself in this issue would be to feel how the participants of Fornit's would feel if someone not involved in this behavioral modification industry, ***at all***, came on and said hey, you all needed it, the past is the past, now get on with your lives and stop complaining.

Paul, you are just way too emotionally invested and charged by the topic to be objective or rational. I don't recall every having ridiculed you or anyone else specifically about your choice.
I do ridicule the industry. And I don't think you can seperate the two. If I ridicule the industry, you take it as an attack on you personally. Can you not distinguish the difference. Get over it dude. You are not the industry.

Here's a challenge buddy. See if you can go a week without typing my name. In other words blab all you want but not to me or about me. I bet you can't do it, but hope you do. I'm tired of being your boogie man.

[Paul]

On 2005-06-27 20:12:00, Deborah wrote:

"***I think the way you should look at yourself in this issue would be to feel how the participants of Fornit's would feel if someone not involved in this behavioral modification industry, ***at all***, came on and said hey, you all needed it, the past is the past, now get on with your lives and stop complaining.



Paul, you are just way too emotionally invested and charged by the topic to be objective or rational. I don't recall every having ridiculed you or anyone else specifically about your choice.

I do ridicule the industry. And I don't think you can seperate the two. If I ridicule the industry, you take it as an attack on you personally. Can you not distinguish the difference. Get over it dude. You are not the industry.



Here's a challenge buddy. See if you can go a week without typing my name. In other words blab all you want but not to me or about me. I bet you can't do it, but hope you do. I'm tired of being your boogie man.



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Deborah, you have been at this for so long, wow!

Congratulations, you certainly know what you are talking about and your respect for others to make
their own medical choice is so stong, and indisputable that I can add nothing more ...

[001010]

On 2005-06-27 13:24:00, 001010 wrote:

"That's a little broad to be called a "sex survey" and the kids don't put personal info on them. I honestly don't think that's inappropriate for a 6th grader. They should know what sex is by then, it's not like they're passing out porn.



Also, that's a Christian-based website, and I thought you were against Christianity?  :wink:

You can lead a camel to water but you can't make it stink (any more than it already does)
-- Job