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« Reply #240 on: November 28, 2005, 09:17:00 PM »
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They pulled the triggers on themselves after quarreling with their parents and being threatened with re-entry into the program.


I know of one case exactly like that out of Straight, Inc. There are a bunch of confirmed suicides among former clients. But, of course, you can't really attribute the cause w/ 100% accuracy. But you have to stop and take notice when the same  scenario plays out again and again.

This kid's mom put him in the program w/ his twin brother. Both boys ran away from the program, but the mother dutifully followed the program. That meant that she changed the locks on the doors and effectively disowned her sons while continuing to allow their home to be used as housing for current program clients. Some time later, she let the boys move back into the home, but the Program had replaced the family. They found the one buy on their mother's bed after he shot himself in the head. Scattered around the bed were all of the dead bolts and motion detectors used to turn their home into a locked facility for program newcomers.

You can tell yourselves these suicides have nothing to do with the program if it makes you feel better. But it won't make your kids feel any better. So I suppose it just depends on whether or not you're adult enough and compassionate enough to have the broad shoulders or whether you want to go on laying it all on the kids.

Remember, they'll be the ones voting for or against safe retirement homes, food assistance and other things you'll need when you're too old and weak to fend for yourselves. I'd give it some thought if I were you.

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« Reply #241 on: November 29, 2005, 03:37:00 AM »
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"They pulled the triggers on themselves after quarreling with their parents and being threatened with re-entry into the program."

Do you know this for a fact?  I knew about Corey but the details of Chris's death are not widely known.
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« Reply #242 on: November 29, 2005, 08:57:00 AM »
Look at the statistics of how many teen suicides there are and what the cause "might"be.  It is very hard to know what went on in the mind of a teen who has committed suicide, both emotionally and physically, in their family and in society.

None of us know what the teen was thinking that brought him to the brink of suicide.  Most teen suicides are accidents that "went too far".  Many of us have said at one time or another "I wish I was dead" or I just want to die", but we do not all act upon it.

We just do not know what or why someone takes their life.
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« Reply #243 on: November 29, 2005, 08:59:00 AM »
WRONG.  try again as to the reason they closed.  YOUR reason is so incorrect.
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« Reply #244 on: November 29, 2005, 02:07:00 PM »
nah...i'm not his accuser...that'd be garrett and anyone who has already decided that he's guilty...you don't know my side of the story or what happended to me the day i was taken in by the police...i've posted on here many times for people to see the media for what it is, as entertainment...as i've even spoken with the s.a. regarding the fact that the miami herald article told lies...i was told that that is what the media does...nobody has spoken with me from the media to hear my side...but for now...my side is exactly that...mine...

 

and as far as the trial on 12/12...i doubt it's going forward...my subpoena hasn't shown up yet...



who are you anyway??? you talk like you know me..."
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Unfortunately, I do know you.  So your subpoena hasn't shown up yet?  Sounds to me that you plan on testifying!  And to save face and help your future not be haunted, I doubt you will testify on Chriss' behalf.

As for what the media said and printed about you, it is all true; you stated those things to the police and you swore it was a correct statement and you signed it.  Your statements are public documents; we all have read them and the media only stated what you said and swore to in the statement.
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« Reply #245 on: November 29, 2005, 02:59:00 PM »
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Unfortunately, I do know you.  So your subpoena hasn't shown up yet?  Sounds to me that you plan on testifying!  And to save face and help your future not be haunted, I doubt you will testify on Chriss' behalf.



As for what the media said and printed about you, it is all true; you stated those things to the police and you swore it was a correct statement and you signed it.  Your statements are public documents; we all have read them and the media only stated what you said and swore to in the statement."


please stop jumping to conclusions...no one has actually talked to me about any of this, except during the 14 hours that i was held for at mdpd...i know my statement doesn't reflect how long i was there...and also...check that signature you claim is on that "statement"...if there is a signature...it's not mine.

why won't you identify yourself???? (if you don't want the whole world to know who you are, you can send me a private message)
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« Reply #246 on: November 29, 2005, 07:35:00 PM »
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"WRONG.  try again as to the reason they closed.  YOUR reason is so incorrect."


There is no right and wrong wwaspie only working and non-working. And the programs were'nt working along the guidelines of humanity. Ask Stephen Frederickson who was pulled out of Dog kennels in Mexico. They closed for abuse.PERIOD. "IN MY EXPERIENCE" you are in denial and desperate to believe that the program can do no wrong. I pity you, sorry to burst your fragile bubble of reality you obviously need to believe unquestionably that the program hasn't abused people much like many insane people often believe they are someone famous in their delusions of granduer. It fulfills a missing need within them. You need to believe in the program to validify your mental psyche. Any opinions or real life experiences of others contrary to the program are a threat to your little bubble and are therefore dismissed. I feel bad for you. It's like trying to tell a homeless man that he's not George Washington. I don't blame you though I blame the sick cult WWASP and the seminars designed to further their mission of making money.
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« Reply #247 on: November 29, 2005, 07:43:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-28 13:46:00, Anonymous wrote:



"They pulled the triggers on themselves after quarreling with their parents and being threatened with re-entry into the program."


Do you know this for a fact?  I knew about Corey but the details of Chris's death are not widely known."


Yes Chris had been using drugs and huffing things. His parents found out were upset threatened to send him back but never got the chance as he ran into the bathroom and shot himself in the head. I believe the gun was a 9mm
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« Reply #248 on: November 30, 2005, 02:50:00 PM »
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why won't you identify yourself???? (if you don't want the whole world to know who you are, you can send me a private message) "



Why would I tell someone who is an accomplice to murder who I am?  I know a lot about you, which can only hurt you at the trial and in the future.  If you know who I am, would you plan another hit to keep me quiet?  With the anger and resentment you have inside of you, I think you are capable of anything evil.
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« Reply #249 on: November 30, 2005, 03:30:00 PM »
okay...this is my last post cause this is just getting ridiculous...minds have been made up without the whole story being told...not ALL of the evidence has been released into public record...that lovely miami herald article even says so...so unless you are an attorney actively working on the case, not all the details have been made available to you...i wonder, with everything i've heard and seen, if chriss will get a fair trial, in that the "jury of his peers" may already have written the verdict...thank you to some out there who have taken the time to not be judge and jury and who have truly listened...to those of you who truly believe the stories, i've really have nothing further to say...to the person who "unfortunately knows" me, i doubt it...for all i know they are someone that knows OF me and is just trying to get me all riled up with ridiculous accusations and hypotheses...so good night, and farewell... :wave:
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« Reply #250 on: November 30, 2005, 10:45:00 PM »
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"okay...this is my last post cause this is just getting ridiculous... [snip] ...so good night, and farewell... :wave: "

Maybe you could give me an e-mail?  I sent a private message to you also.
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« Reply #251 on: March 20, 2006, 09:39:00 AM »
What kind of a parent sends their kid to a WWASPS program when they are only 12 and then professes to be so outraged when they find out he was abused (put in a dog cage)?  Pathetic!  And these other parents, whose kids shot themselves? What the hell were they doing keeping a gun in the house with a so called "troubled teen" around?  Stop making excuses for these stupid people who will do anything for "the program" even if it means abusing their own child.

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« Reply #252 on: March 20, 2006, 11:28:00 AM »
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What kind of a parent sends their kid to a WWASPS program when they are only 12 and then professes to be so outraged when they find out he was abused (put in a dog cage)?


Umm.. a stupid parent, WWASPS market.
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« Reply #253 on: March 20, 2006, 09:14:00 PM »
A child given so much throughout his time with this family has no excuse for actions taken in the manner in which he chose to solve any problems he might have encountered.
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« Reply #254 on: March 22, 2006, 06:50:00 PM »
Chris Landre did not commit suicide. He was in no danger of being returned to the program. His parents pulled him because they could not AFFORD the program.

Corey Murphy had several suicide attempts and one serious suicide attempt that landed him in Sterling Reg Med Center emergency room when he was just 13 years old. He was committed to psychiatric wards on "suicide lockdown" on atleast 2 occassions before the suicide attempt in Sterling, CO. Once in Columbus, GA at the age of 10.

Before he was sent to Samoa he was permanently expelled from school in Sterling and arrested several times for everything from truancy to posession of a gun. His mother sought help from both the psychiatric hospital and the Sterling School District and was told that there was nothing that could be done by either organisation.

Corey Murphy spent time in the care of MANY therapists, psychologists, teachers and mental health professionals from the time he was 8 years old. Medications did not help him, doctors did not help him and hospitals did not help him. How can we really blame the WWASP solely for not helping him???

The months before his suicide (and after his stint in Samoa and Spring Creek Lodge) Corey was involved in drugs and arrested several times. He stole a car, was caught in posession of cocaine more than once, was arrested for shoplifting, and had moved out of the family home several times. The police were also called to his mothers El Paso home several times because he was violent and physically assaulted his own sister.

Corey Murphy was not some poor helpless kid who did nothing to deserve being sent away and developed spontaneous suicidal feelings while in the care of the WWASP. He was a deeply troubled young man who was suicidal at a very young age and he could not keep himself out of trouble for more than a few weeks.

Also, Corey Murphy's father, who had no involvement in the program and has been quoted calling it a "cult" in the Rocky Mountain News committed suicide in the same manner as Corey in 2005: a gun to the head. Can we lay THAT on the WWASP? Mitch Humason also allegedly had a brother who committed suicide in Washington State in 2002. Perhaps Corey and his father were genetically predisposed to suicide?

Frankly, I think you are all a bit off base trying to pin a suicide on anyone... People commit suicide in psychiatric hospitals all the time. The medical community maintains that suicide is not the fault of the doctor, the family, or anyone who is caring for that person.

No one is trying to hold the psychiatric hospital that cared for Corey Murphy in Columbus, GA responsible for his subsequent suicide attempts or his death. The psych ward on suicide lock-down was very much the same procedure as those used in the WWASP. (ie: no jewelry, supervision at all times, asking permission to speak, being watched in the restrooom, etc.)

I think you should all do more research on the students you profess to be "victims" of WWASP. Some of the students (like the one who murdered his parents) were not only out of control, but also predatory. If the parents knew that the child was going to kill them, I'd say it would have reinforced their decision to send him away. These children victimized their own families NOT vice-versa.

Also, a slightly elevated suicide or death rate amung program students/graduates should not be too suprising when you consider that these are young people who are known to engage in high risk behavior such as drugs, un-protected sex and violent crimes and many of them have a long history of depression and suicidal behavior. Of COURSE they are more likely to die, they are the ones who were more likely to die to begin with!
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