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« Reply #135 on: September 17, 2005, 12:30:00 PM »
Can you provide a link to the public records?
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« Reply #136 on: September 17, 2005, 12:35:00 PM »
Posted on Tue, Mar. 29, 2005
 
CORAL GABLES


Son wanted in brutal attack on parents

The son of a Coral Gables couple has been implicated in the 2004 shootings that left his mother dead and his father blind, Miami-Dade police say.

BY LUISA YANEZ AND CHARLES RABIN

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/ne ... 253970.htm

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FYI: Chris Sutton was ultimately arrested.  Not sure if he is out on bail. Perhaps someone can update us?
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« Reply #137 on: September 17, 2005, 02:34:00 PM »
There is no link to the public records referred to in the posting.  To obtain these documents, you must contact the state attorney's office and there is a fee for the documents.

However, other public records, like criminal cases, for Miami-Dade, can be accessed at http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com
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« Reply #138 on: September 17, 2005, 08:11:00 PM »
Looks like Chris Sutton was charged with 4 counts, and is being held in jail, no bail.

1 MURDER 1ST DEGREE FELONY  
2 MURDER/PREMED/ATT/FA FELONY  
3 ATTEMPT FEL MURDER FELONY  
4 BURGLARY/ASSLT/ARMED

Guess we will just have to wait and see what comes out at trial.
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« Reply #139 on: September 17, 2005, 10:24:00 PM »
So how long was this kid in the program in Samoa?

Is his attorney aware that 2 former residents of this same program committed suicide? Christopher Landre and Corey Murphy.

Not exactly a 100% satisfaction rate, I'd say.

REST IN PEACE CHRIS AND COREY.
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« Reply #140 on: September 19, 2005, 09:56:00 AM »
chriss was in samoa for 2 1/2 years (age 16 - 19, december 1995 - april 1999) chriss is still in jail. there is no bond.  he has a lawyer whose name is listed on the miami dade clerk's page.  i'm tired of reading posts that make accusations and demand a verdict long before the trial has even taken place.  please remember that this is a country where we are innocent until proven guilty...a fact that is quite ofter overlooked.  even i don't know what happened...i'm tired of people believing everything they read in the newspapers...i'm tired of people believing what they want to believe instead of the truth...i've posted as much of my story on this site as i am going to...to protect myself and to protect chriss...if you really want to know the WHOLE story (a least the very little that i know) i would, not necessarily be happy to, but willing to entertain the idea...i have posted how to get in touch with me numerous times...
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« Reply #141 on: September 19, 2005, 09:57:00 AM »
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How do you know she isn't lying? What's her credibility rating?



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ha ha...thanks for the laugh...
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« Reply #142 on: September 19, 2005, 11:29:00 AM »
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"chriss was in samoa for 2 1/2 years (age 16 - 19, december 1995 - april 1999) chriss is still in jail. there is no bond.  he has a lawyer whose name is listed on the miami dade clerk's page.  i'm tired of reading posts that make accusations and demand a verdict long before the trial has even taken place.  please remember that this is a country where we are innocent until proven guilty...a fact that is quite ofter overlooked.  even i don't know what happened...i'm tired of people believing everything they read in the newspapers...i'm tired of people believing what they want to believe instead of the truth...i've posted as much of my story on this site as i am going to...to protect myself and to protect chriss...if you really want to know the WHOLE story (a least the very little that i know) i would, not necessarily be happy to, but willing to entertain the idea...i have posted how to get in touch with me numerous times..."


Man, that's a long time to be in a program like the one he was sent to.  Were there a lot of kids from FLorida sent to Paradise Cove?  Surprised his parents didn't send him to TB instead.  Much closer to home.  WOnder how his parents heard about this program?
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« Reply #143 on: September 19, 2005, 12:05:00 PM »
there were quite a few kids from florida in samoa...i guess chris' parents thought that tb was too tame...out of site out of mind
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« Reply #144 on: September 19, 2005, 12:38:00 PM »
Found this on PURE website, written by Sue Scheff regarding Lynn Pretzfeld, a former WWASPS recruiter.

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*As a footnote for their Marketing, when I was searching I was recruited by a Miami based parent that has made a mission (in many peoples? opinions) of building this pyramid for WWASP. Although she claimed she had no financial gain from this, we have further learned that she collects large sums of money for her involvement with WWASP. Although she states she makes her income from her Title Company, it was discovered that she was arrested in February 2002 on charges of illegally diverting nearly $6 million in trust money through a variety of schemes. Lynn Pretzfeld, of Miami Florida, was charged with conspiracy to commit racketeering and grand theft.

According to the Florida Department of Insurance, the now closed Title Examiners Inc. diverted money into personal accounts from escrow accounts.

UPDATE - According to public record, on June 3, 2003, Lynn Pretzfeld is now a Convicted Felon and on 10 years probation as well as paying restitution.  Case #F02003735B (Click here to view PDF file)

http://www.helpyourteens.com/true_story.html
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« Reply #145 on: September 19, 2005, 12:46:00 PM »
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"chriss was in samoa for 2 1/2 years (age 16 - 19, december 1995 - april 1999) chriss is still in jail. there is no bond.  he has a lawyer whose name is listed on the miami dade clerk's page.  i'm tired of reading posts that make accusations and demand a verdict long before the trial has even taken place.  please remember that this is a country where we are innocent until proven guilty...a fact that is quite ofter overlooked.  even i don't know what happened...i'm tired of people believing everything they read in the newspapers...i'm tired of people believing what they want to believe instead of the truth...i've posted as much of my story on this site as i am going to...to protect myself and to protect chriss...if you really want to know the WHOLE story (a least the very little that i know) i would, not necessarily be happy to, but willing to entertain the idea...i have posted how to get in touch with me numerous times..."


Hi Ari, thanks for the info.  Chris stayed until he was 19?  Or is that a typo?  Either way, I wonder if the parents ever saw the 48 Hours special on Paradise Cove?  Dateline NBC also did a show, both of which raised very troubling questions about this program.  And of course, there is the matter of the two suicides, Chris Landre and Corey Murphy which raises HUGE RED FLAGS.
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« Reply #146 on: September 19, 2005, 12:52:00 PM »
Oh yeah, forgot to ask:

Did Chris's parents visit him in Samoa?  If so, they would have known this was no elite boarding school.  It was a primtiive behavior mod program.  What did they hope to accomplish by keeping their kid in a program thousands of miles from home so long?????
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« Reply #147 on: September 19, 2005, 01:51:00 PM »
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Did Chris's parents visit him in Samoa?  If so, they would have known this was no elite boarding school.  It was a primtiive behavior mod program.  What did they hope to accomplish by keeping their kid in a program thousands of miles from home so long?????"

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Hi Ari, thanks for the info.  Chris stayed until he was 19?  Or is that a typo?  Either way, I wonder if the parents ever saw the 48 Hours special on Paradise Cove?  Dateline NBC also did a show, both of which raised very troubling questions about this program.  And of course, there is the matter of the two suicides, Chris Landre and Corey Murphy which raises HUGE RED FLAGS."


no, it was not a typo.  he was there until his 19th birthday.  that was the day he left. i know that I saw the dateline and 48 hours show, totally by chance as well,  however, those were after he returned...his family and myself actually attended a benefit for landre to raise money for the programs (twisted right).  his parents visited him once during his extended stay...from what have heard from chriss and well as other students, quite a show is put on for the parents...the parents are also told when they enter their child in the program that their child will lie to them and to not believe anything that they say...supposedly, chriss' parents did ALMOST pull him from the program when they got a picture of him.  if you don't know him or have ever seen a picture of him - here a description: 5'10", 215 pounds, football player build, an almost round face, full cheeks.  the picture they got of him shows him at 170-ish pounds, sunken eyes, cheek bones protruding.  a SCARY transformation.  but they talked to the people at the program who convinced them that he was "okay..."  i know that they hoped that he would become "better" and be well adjusted...i'm not exactly sure how that works out though...they say jail is for rehabilitation too...
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« Reply #148 on: November 06, 2005, 10:32:00 PM »
Randy Cook's own postings of his experiences were pulled.  Originally he had several complaints of abusiveness by Paradise Cove staff, but now he works for WWASP.  His mom is Glenda Gabriel (formerly Glenda Ikuta) and landed him a job.
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« Reply #149 on: November 07, 2005, 02:59:00 AM »
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"Randy Cook's own postings of his experiences were pulled.  Originally he had several complaints of abusiveness by Paradise Cove staff, but now he works for WWASP.  His mom is Glenda Gabriel (formerly Glenda Ikuta) and landed him a job."


I've read complaints written by survivors of TB that state that Randy Cook was one of the most abusive staff members there. (I don't know if he still works there of if he moved on to another gulag, though). It's sad that he feels like he must inflict on others the pain and abuse he has suffered at the hands of WWASPS. But, it's not surprising-- WWASPS is a cult, and has the ability to indoctrinate its members to believe that abuse is "discipline", that emotional breakdowns are "progress", that Lifespring seminars are "therapy", and that the program is never wrong.
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