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[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-23 14:53:00, Antigen wrote:

"I don't know what to think about the kid's involvement. I'm just glad that a couple of his friends have been able to connect w/ each other. Even if he's guilty as hell (especially if he is) he'll need the support of good friends right about now.

What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?  
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I agree!  It's hard to know what really happened that night and/or whether Chris had premeditated the murder of his parents with an accomplice (the trigger man).

Either way, he is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

If friends want to support him in some way, even if they think he is guilty, that's their choice.

After all, this isn't a program.  People can have an opinion of their own.

[Anonymous]

Just curious.....In what way do you support a MURDERER?  Do you send him money for cigarettes and food?  Do you sympathize with him for killing his mother and permanently injuring his father?

He knows the difference between right and wrong and he obviously chose WRONG!

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-23 18:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Just curious.....In what way do you support a MURDERER?  Do you send him money for cigarettes and food?  Do you sympathize with him for killing his mother and permanently injuring his father?



He knows the difference between right and wrong and he obviously chose WRONG!"

Sure, I'd send him a carton or two.

[Anonymous]

the easy thing to do is to say that he is guilty...it resolves something and gives us an answer.  the idea that he is innocent is a more difficult answer to comprehend, because then we have someone who is sitting in a jail cell awaiting a trial, where the possible outcome could be a needle in his arm.  the jury has a tough job.  they have to weed out the facts from the lies, and there are many that have been told, and most likely more are to come.  what it looks like most of us agree on is that chriss is a very troubled person with some severe issues regarding his parents and his 2 1/2 year stint in samoa.  these are issues that he will battle for the rest of his life.  until this goes to trial, or he pleads out (which is what the prosecution is hoping will happen), there is no definitive answer.  and even then, innocent people have spent their lives in jail.  but chriss has a good attorney...let's just hope he can get a fair trial...which could be a concern.

[Anonymous]

Chirss does have issues.  Every murderer does.  Chriss has a great attorney and will get a fair trial.  Chriss did not do this for anything else but $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Chris, if he hated his parents for whatever reason, could have stopped talking to them, moved away or not, gotten a job, supported himself and never spoken to them again.

Instead, he relied on them for support, housing, clothing, cars, credit card payments, food and everything.  He did not want to let go.  He just wanted them to let go of the money so he could have whatever he wanted.  Was and is he troubled, absolutely, but that started way before he was ever sent away.

[Anonymous]

and that's exactly what he did. he moved away, stopped talking to them and started supporting himself.  the first time he did that...oh, that's right, they sent him to samoa.  the second time, it was them that contacted him.  THEY WOULDN'T LET HIM GO...once he had a job and making ends meet, they just started giving him stuff...it was like oh, you can do it on your own..nevermind we'll help you now.  there are many sides to this story.

[Anonymous]

chriss didn't want the life that they wanted him to create.  he wasn't meant to be a college boy, like they wanted. but can you really blame him for taking it?  if your parents said, hey if you go to school, we'll pay  your rent, 1/2 of your car insurance and give you a little money for groceries, since we don't want you to have to work and go to school, which he actually did for a little while, would you really say no... anything more that of the money that they gave him had to be paid back.  his mom kept an "account" detailing how much money they gave him and how much of it he had paid back...not everything was for free.

[Anonymous]

Chriss was 26 years old and he didn't EVER have to do what his parents wanted.  The truth is he was never able to hold a job for any length of time.  He was a F---Up.  Many people support themselves and do not listen nor care what anyone including their parents have to say about it, but Chriss bragged to his "ditzy" girfriend how they would soon have lots of money.  How was he going to get it?  His parents would have been happy if he had a steady job, was law abiding and happy, but he was none of the above.  Ms. Ditz was just in it for the $$$$ she thought his parents would give and that they did give.  Afterall, her parents didn't give anything except the check she stole from her grandmother for Chriss to forge.  Yeah, Ditz, there is more known about you than you think.  You think Chriss didn't tell people things.  Think again!!

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-24 08:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"and that's exactly what he did. he moved away, stopped talking to them and started supporting himself.  the first time he did that...oh, that's right, they sent him to samoa.  the second time, it was them that contacted him.  THEY WOULDN'T LET HIM GO...once he had a job and making ends meet, they just started giving him stuff...it was like oh, you can do it on your own..nevermind we'll help you now.  there are many sides to this story. "

Those parents screwed Chris up by keeping him in a private prison for 2 and 1/2 years.  What the hell were they thinking?  That place was a lock down facility for rich kids whose parents could not (or would not) control their own kids.

Read the Corey Murphy story.  He's the kid who blew his own brains out when threatened by his mother with being sent back to a WWASPS program.

The gun was hers ... what mother keeps a loaded gun in the house?

Damn fool!

[Anonymous]

The first time he "moved away" wasn't HIM moving away.  It was his parents who got a restraining order to keep him away from them because they feared for his life.  He was 15 years old!!! Before that time, they had him in therapy, private, public schools, wilderness programs, sports activities.  Soooooooo, they took responsibility for their child.

You know what?  There are children that are abused, homeless, etc. and they do not KILL!

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-26 07:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The first time he "moved away" wasn't HIM moving away.  It was his parents who got a restraining order to keep him away from them because they feared for his life.  He was 15 years old!!! Before that time, they had him in therapy, private, public schools, wilderness programs, sports activities.  Soooooooo, they took responsibility for their child.



You know what?  There are children that are abused, homeless, etc. and they do not KILL!"

So?  Doesn't mean Chris deserved or needed to grow up in some abusive program.

[ari]

On 2005-06-24 15:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Chriss was 26 years old and he didn't EVER have to do what his parents wanted.  The truth is he was never able to hold a job for any length of time.  He was a F---Up.  Many people support themselves and do not listen nor care what anyone including their parents have to say about it, but Chriss bragged to his "ditzy" girfriend how they would soon have lots of money.  How was he going to get it?  His parents would have been happy if he had a steady job, was law abiding and happy, but he was none of the above.  Ms. Ditz was just in it for the $$$$ she thought his parents would give and that they did give.  Afterall, her parents didn't give anything except the check she stole from her grandmother for Chriss to forge.  Yeah, Ditz, there is more known about you than you think.  You think Chriss didn't tell people things.  Think again!!"

i was never in it for the money.  i never once asked for anything and i ALWAYS had a job so that i could pay for my part.  whatever deals chriss had worked out with his parents i stayed as far away from as possible.  and you know what, i'm sure chriss did tell people things about me, i'm not perfect either.  i'm a fuck up in my own way too.  and the check i stole, i didn't give it to chriss to forge, that was all me. and i've told people that story too...that was a long time ago. and as far as them being happy with chriss "just having a full time job...it was AFTER he had a full time job for six months that they offered him everything, obviously it wasn't enough them.  i know that they just wanted the best for chriss in the long run.  but you are right in that chriss would never be truly happy.  he was haunted by too many nightmares.  

and about everything that people are reading in that retarded newspaper article: 1. DON'T BELEIVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE NEWSPAPER; 2. things are misquoted, things are put together that were never said together 3. words have been changed/added; all this for the purpose of being a better article.  chriss never said that we would have lots of money soon.  that is a misconstrued statement.  only a few people know what i went through on the day that statement was taken.

[Anonymous]

Anybody know the name of Chris's lawyer?  For people who want to help him in some way?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-27 06:07:00, ari wrote:

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On 2005-06-24 15:44:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Chriss was 26 years old and he didn't EVER have to do what his parents wanted.  The truth is he was never able to hold a job for any length of time.  He was a F---Up.  Many people support themselves and do not listen nor care what anyone including their parents have to say about it, but Chriss bragged to his "ditzy" girfriend how they would soon have lots of money.  How was he going to get it?  His parents would have been happy if he had a steady job, was law abiding and happy, but he was none of the above.  Ms. Ditz was just in it for the $$$$ she thought his parents would give and that they did give.  Afterall, her parents didn't give anything except the check she stole from her grandmother for Chriss to forge.  Yeah, Ditz, there is more known about you than you think.  You think Chriss didn't tell people things.  Think again!!"

i was never in it for the money.  i never once asked for anything and i ALWAYS had a job so that i could pay for my part.  whatever deals chriss had worked out with his parents i stayed as far away from as possible.  and you know what, i'm sure chriss did tell people things about me, i'm not perfect either.  i'm a fuck up in my own way too.  and the check i stole, i didn't give it to chriss to forge, that was all me. and i've told people that story too...that was a long time ago. and as far as them being happy with chriss "just having a full time job...it was AFTER he had a full time job for six months that they offered him everything, obviously it wasn't enough them.  i know that they just wanted the best for chriss in the long run.  but you are right in that chriss would never be truly happy.  he was haunted by too many nightmares.  



and about everything that people are reading in that retarded newspaper article: 1. DON'T BELEIVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE NEWSPAPER; 2. things are misquoted, things are put together that were never said together 3. words have been changed/added; all this for the purpose of being a better article.  chriss never said that we would have lots of money soon.  that is a misconstrued statement.  only a few people know what i went through on the day that statement was taken.    "

What's to say the triggerman isn't pointing the finger of blame at Chris to get even and/or a better deal (Life in Prison instead of the Death Penalty)?

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[ari]

On 2005-06-27 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Anybody know the name of Chris's lawyer?  For people who want to help him in some way?  



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please e-mail me at ar1adne@hotmail.com...i'll find out