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« Reply #225 on: January 31, 2006, 03:47:00 AM »
I do not seek to "lash out" - I seek to identify that particular anonymous poster from the rest.

His assumption (or fabrication) that I seek to lash out upon him is a "Strawman".

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« Reply #226 on: January 31, 2006, 09:25:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-31 00:47:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"I do not seek to "lash out" - I seek to identify that particular anonymous poster from the rest.


If just the content of each post is addressed rather
than who posted it the quality of these threads will
be higher.

If the identity of the various people posting is
important to you, then whether it is fear of a
Strawman, having goal of the Republican's smashmouth
or shooting the messenger you will surely degrade the thread.

If you want only your opinions heard start another
thread and have a disclaimer stating the paramaters acceptable to you. Then if someone decides to participates, they will know the rules.

Finally, if you don't like the ability to post anon, and that is a feature you would like to have eliminated at this forum, then Ginger is who you should talk to ...
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« Reply #227 on: January 31, 2006, 10:56:00 AM »
The Pinellas County (Florida) School Board vigorously studied TeenScreen and then on January 25, 2005  promptly rejected it.

You can see the video here: http://www.psychsearch.net/Board.wmv

One of the many issues the School Board had was Laurie Flynn lying to Congress.  Flynn stated that TeenScreen was being piloted in HIllsborough and Pinellas County, Florida, which was a lie.

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Federal Document Clearing House Congressional Testimony
March 2, 2004 Tuesday
CAPITOL HILL HEARING TESTIMONY
TESTIMONY-BY: LAURIE FLYNN, DIRECTOR
COMMITTEE: SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR AND PENSIONS

"In partnership with the University of South Florida we are piloting district wide mental health screening of 9th graders in Hillsborough and Pinellas counties."

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Tampa Tribune (Florida)
January 26, 2005 Wednesday
HEADLINE: Pinellas Schools Bar Suicide Test For Teenagers

Before this week, Pinellas school board member Jane Gallucci sought more information about the program.

She said Tuesday that she was angry that Laurie Flynn, of Columbia University, told a U.S. Senate committee on health and education matters 10 months ago that pilot TeenScreen programs were operating in Hillsborough and Pinellas counties.
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« Reply #228 on: January 31, 2006, 12:25:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-31 06:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-31 00:47:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


"I do not seek to "lash out" - I seek to identify that particular anonymous poster from the rest.




If just the content of each post is addressed rather

than who posted it the quality of these threads will

be higher.



If the identity of the various people posting is

important to you, then whether it is fear of a

Strawman, having goal of the Republican's smashmouth

or shooting the messenger you will surely degrade the thread.



If you want only your opinions heard start another

thread and have a disclaimer stating the paramaters acceptable to you. Then if someone decides to participates, they will know the rules.



Finally, if you don't like the ability to post anon, and that is a feature you would like to have eliminated at this forum, then Ginger is who you should talk to ..."


Wow, more contrived crap to obfuscicate the issue.

Again.

The point of identifying one anon from another (while they're still as anonymous as they were before *ANYWAY*) was to be able to reply to them and know whose making what post.

Im pretty anonymous... Im not Nihilianthic in real life. I dont look like Lenin with ski goggles either! But you can tell me from a baghead, can you not?

And, regardless, if gin felt like it, she could trace all the logs in the database and attach an IP/hostmask to every post and I could just figure it out myself. Or, for that matter, a HASH thats encrypted and nonreversible (but still unique) could be used for identification.

Its a logicstical issue, not some retribution based one. And, well, like I said, if retribution was the order of the day, youre kind of unable to delete posts you make anonymous anyway  :roll:

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« Reply #229 on: February 01, 2006, 11:26:00 AM »
I wish your idealism was practiced on this forum.

I have read retribution posts, and personal
information being used.

I don't want to be in that trap.

I would rather just read, respond to the content
of a post, not to the identity of the alias.
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« Reply #230 on: February 01, 2006, 12:58:00 PM »
I wonder if and how closely the TeenScreen people are affiliated w/ Alison Pinto and ASTART? They do share a campus and their stated goal is to promote access to community-based 'care'.

I never have gotten an answer to any of my questions from anyone affiliated w/ ASTART. I think maybe they're a bit shady.

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« Reply #231 on: February 01, 2006, 03:14:00 PM »
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"I wonder if and how closely the TeenScreen people are affiliated w/ Alison Pinto and ASTART? They do share a campus and their stated goal is to promote access to community-based 'care'.



I never have gotten an answer to any of my questions from anyone affiliated w/ ASTART. I think maybe they're a bit shady.


Wow, interesting, how odd that they don't respond to you. Hmmm.

At first glance they are in Florida and I think TeenScreen is based out of NYC, at Columbia University.

Although, geography means very little when it comes to alliances and collaboration.
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« Reply #232 on: February 01, 2006, 03:45:00 PM »
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Wow, interesting, how odd that they don't respond to you. Hmmm.



At first glance they are in Florida and I think TeenScreen is based out of NYC, at Columbia University.



Although, geography means very little when it comes to alliances and collaboration.



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TESTIMONY-BY: LAURIE FLYNN, DIRECTOR
COMMITTEE: SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR AND PENSIONS

"In partnership with the University of South Florida we are piloting district wide mental health screening of 9th graders in Hillsborough and Pinellas counties."


Ok, so there is a partnership w/ USF and ASTART is based at USF. What I'm wondering (not that you'd know, though I suppose maybe you do) is if and how closely ASTART is involved w/ this partnership.

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« Reply #233 on: February 01, 2006, 05:10:00 PM »
I don't know, but I will try and find out,
and post as soon as I find out.
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« Reply #234 on: February 07, 2006, 01:03:00 PM »
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 206-8.html

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
February 6, 2006

Press Briefing on the President's Fiscal Year '07 Budget and Low-Income Programs
Dwight D. Eisenhower Executive Office Building, Room 66

PARTICIPANTS
Jim Towey, Director, Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives
Claude Allen, Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy

MR. ALLEN: Good afternoon. I'm Claude Allen, Domestic Policy Advisor to the President.

DIRECTOR TOWEY: And I'm Jim Towey, Director of the Office of Faith-based and Community Initiatives.

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Q In terms of the mental health sector, there are a bunch of conservative groups who argue mental health guides are medicalizing character, and in such light they feel that under this administration the mental health industry has been getting money for TeenScreen and for converting character flaws or behavior decisions into medical problems. They cite the new Freedom Commission, the SAMHSA support for TeenScreen and various other things.

Is there anything in this budget that would suggest you are moving to support character and community-based efforts on character and behavior, rather than the mental health industry?

MR. ALLEN: I would say probably the one that stands out to me most directly where we're focusing on helping young people avoid risk behaviors would be the Helping America's Youth Initiative, which is targeted at at-risk youth who are at risk of getting involved with alcohol, drugs, tobacco, sex and violence, particularly with the focus on young boys and their getting involved with gang activity.

I believe it's $150 million -- $50 million over three years, $50 million -- a three-year initiative, $50 million that really is working to identify science-based, research-based, evidence-based ways of working with young men and women, boys and girls, to help them navigate life successfully by equipping them with skills to address these risk behaviors.

Q But $50 million versus tens of billions a year on mental health is not a lot of -- it's not a big comparison.

MR. ALLEN: Again, the substance is in the SAMHSA area. SAMHSA also is focused on risk avoidance programs, and not simply risk reduction programs. And the risk avoidance programs actually focus on giving kids assets that we know, based on science, work effectively -- that is connectedness to parents, connectedness to schools, and connectedness to communities. And so Helping America's Youth is actually an umbrella that brings in and helps focus what SAMHSA is spending its money on, in a way that will get results.

And so just as we're focused in every other area on outcomes and results, with young people we're also focused on those programs that work to help them be equipped so that they can actually make choices that are healthy and good choices for them.

Q Is there any time you cut money for any of the groups or activities or approaches that you feel are less effective?

MR. ALLEN: In the SAMHSA area, we would have to -- I would defer to the budget folks on it because I can't think of --

Q In the broader area. Can you cite any cuts you made because of competition, because one approach is better than another?

MR. ALLEN: Well, I can tell you that in the '07 budget we propose 141 programs that were deemed ineffective or otherwise not demonstrating results. And so that whole list you can find something in there. I don't have the list of the 141; maybe we can just get that for you.
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« Reply #235 on: February 07, 2006, 01:09:00 PM »
http://www.dispatch.com/editorials-stor ... 10-07.html

Columbus Dispatch (Ohio)
TeenScreen has made suicide problem worse
Tuesday, February 07, 2006
 
I respond to the Jan. 30 Dispatch article "Poll tries to gauge mental health." Marcia Angell, a medical ethics lecturer at Harvard Medical School
and author of the book The Truth About Drug Companies, says about TeenScreen: "It's just a way to put more people on prescription drugs."
 
I am sickened and outraged that this program is being implemented in schools in my city. Drug companies are using it to snare more clients in the name of "help." The irony is that a significant portion of those who are screened will be put on antidepressants, which in September received the Federal Drug Administration's "black box" label because they can spur suicidal thoughts and actions in minors.
 
OK, now we have more teens taking antidepressants because of TeenScreen, and some of those teens will commit suicide because of the antidepressants. The suicide statistics rise, and the mental-health industry then says we need TeenScreen more than ever. It becomes a vicious cycle.
 
The most effective way to reduce teen suicides would be to eliminate TeenScreen!
 
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« Reply #236 on: March 25, 2006, 03:29:00 PM »
Parents Against TeenScreen (PAT) is a group where parents share information, experiences and what can be done about TeenScreen. (185 members)

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« Reply #237 on: March 25, 2006, 03:57:00 PM »
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OK, now we have more teens taking antidepressants because of TeenScreen, and some of those teens will commit suicide because of the antidepressants. The suicide statistics rise, and the mental-health industry then says we need TeenScreen more than ever. It becomes a vicious cycle.


Yeah, they do just the same song and dance when they're pedaling the war on drugs that they don't push (at least, not out in the open)

It is wrong to leave a stumbling stone in the road after it has tripped you.
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« Reply #238 on: March 25, 2006, 04:28:00 PM »
I found the TeenScreenFacts group which has 19 members (below), but couldn't find PAT. Would you post a link to the homepage? Thanks

Description
TeenScreen Facts is a group for teens opposed to TeenScreen. Information regarding TeenScreen is sent out to the email addresses of those who join. These emails will keep you updated on the latest with TeenScreen across the U.S

By joining TeenScreenfacts at Yahoo you will be able to keep up with the latest information on TeenScreen, protect yourself and protect your friends.

What is TeenScreen? TeenScreen is a 10 minute mental health computer screening test that ends up in kids being diagnosed with a mental illness and put on psychiatric drugs.

TeenScreen is nothing more than a front group for psychiatrists and drug companies.

If you have had a bad experience with a psychiatrist, psychologist or other sort of mental health worker, if you have been diagnosed with a mental illness after taking the TeenScreen test, send us your story at teenscreenfacts@yahoo.com. We want to hear from you.

(All information will be kept confidential unless you say otherwise.)
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« Reply #239 on: June 26, 2006, 02:19:00 PM »
This is a couple of years old but good info on TMAP

Kruszewski: Fired 'For Digging Up Dirt' Psychiatrist Sues Employers, Pharma Companies
Categories Health Pharma

According to an article published today in the Philadelphia Daily News,

Dr. Stefan Kruszewski, a prominent Harrisburg psychiatrist who was hired to root out fraud, abuse and waste within the state's Department of Public Welfare, was fired for doing just that.

Kruszewski discovered that four children and one adult who had been prescribed potentially lethal combinations of medications died while under state care. He believes they died from drug toxicity, but he was not permitted to review the autopsy reports.

He also found that thousands of psychiatric patients on Medicaid and receiving inpatient treatment in hospitals across the state were being given bizarre combinations of drugs they did not need or were given the wrong drugs for their conditions.

Kruszewski, who was blasted by his superiors for "digging up dirt" and then fired, has turned whistleblower. He is suing not only his former supervisers and employer but also a number of drug companies including GlaxoSmithKline; Pfizer, Inc.; Johnson & Johnson; Novartis; Astrazeneca and Eli Lilly & Co. PennLive also carries the story.

His allegations are reminiscent of those made by another whistleblower who lost his job in a similar way, Allen Jones, who had investigated pharma corruption in connection with the research and establishment of so-called "treatment algorithms" for the mentally ill in Pennsylvania. The algorithms or prescription guidelines favoured expensive and often useless patented drugs from a number of companies, including Janssen Pharmaceutica, Johnson & Johnson, Eli Lilly, Astrazeneca, Pfizer, Novartis, Janssen-Ortho-McNeil, GlaxoSmithKline, Abbott, Bristol Myers Squibb, Wyeth-Ayerst and Forrest Laboratories. The Pennsylvania guidelines were taken over from the Texas TMAP program, which is where they were first developed with financing from and under the substantial control of the pharma manufacturers. Jones was fired for uncovering the corrupting influence of the drug makers and refusing to shut up about it.

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