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« on: June 03, 2005, 11:40:00 AM »
ISAC has several interesting new articles up some folks might have missed. For example:


 http://isaccorp.org/sistersoldiers/sist ... 01.05.html
Army-style girls' school shuts doors
As state officials investigated reports of physical abuse, the discipline-oriented Sister Soldier school in Fort Lauderdale sent students back home.
BY CAROL MARBIN MILLER

Miami Herald

http://isaccorp.org/documents/appalachi ... 02.05.html

 

Death at youth camp ruled homicide
JILL YOUNG MILLER, CRAIG SCHNEIDER

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

June 2, 2005


Travis Parker, 13, was pinned to the ground by up to three staffers on April 20 after he protested when he was denied food as punishment, according to documents from the Human Resources Department.  
The traumatic death of a 13-year-old boy after he was physically restrained for about an hour and a half by camp counselors has been ruled a homicide, White County District Attorney Stan Gunter said Wednesday.

The autopsy of Travis Parker, whom counselors held face-down on the ground at a state-operated wilderness camp for troubled boys, indicates he died because of the restraint, Gunter said.

"The manner in which they performed that restraint is what caused his problem," the district attorney said in an interview. "For all practical purposes, his heart stopped and he did not get enough oxygen to the brain, which led to his death."

Gunter said he would decide whether to pursue criminal charges after he reviewed a recently completed GBI investigation, of which the autopsy is a part. The GBI gave the prosecutor seven binders of documents Friday, including the autopsy report. Gunter declined Wednesday to release a copy of the report.

"If everything that I've heard about the case matches what I find in the file, I would say most likely we will pursue criminal charges," Gunter said. "But I don't know that yet."

Authorities stressed that the homicide ruling by Dr. Kris Sperry, the state's chief medical examiner, was a medical determination, not a criminal charge. It "indicates that the person's death was caused by the actions of another person or persons," said John Bankhead, Georgia Bureau of Investigation spokesman.

Family urges charges

Attorney J. Tom Morgan, a former DeKalb County district attorney, noted that a determination of homicide often results in criminal charges.

"This is the first step toward criminal charges," said Morgan, who is not involved in the case. "Most homicides result in criminal prosecutions of murder or voluntary manslaughter."

Morgan said much would depend on whether the counselors' actions were found to be reckless or negligent. If they are, the counselors might be charged with involuntary manslaughter, he said. Even then, the prosecutor must weigh whether their actions were so grossly negligent or reckless as to warrant criminal prosecution, or whether the matter should be resolved in a civil court, Morgan said.

Michael Tyler, the lawyer for Travis' family, said the counselors should be prosecuted.

"We are strongly urging the district attorney to review the file and would expect that he would pursue action as warranted by the evidence," Tyler said.

Gwen Skinner, a top official of the Georgia Department of Human Resources, which oversees the Appalachian Wilderness Camp, declined to comment on the autopsy.

Boy was denied inhaler

On April 20, counselors held Travis, who had asthma, on the ground at the campsite for about an hour and a half, much of the time face-down, and denied the boy's request for his inhaler, according to documents from the Human Resources Department.

The Douglas County boy was restrained after he angrily confronted one of his counselors after being denied food as a punishment, according to accounts from counselors and boys who witnessed the incident.

The wilderness camp, which accommodates about 50 boys with behavioral problems, is in Cleveland, in the North Georgia mountains.

Travis was restrained by at least three counselors at a time, witnesses said in reports obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He eventually stopped breathing and went limp, the reports said. He was taken to a hospital and died the next day.

Gunter, the White County district attorney, said it was not clear from the autopsy how great a role the boy's asthma played in his death. "The asthma did play a role in his inability to get fully ventilated," Gunter said. "How much of a role, I don't know."

Agency rules broken

The state fired five camp employees after the incident, Skinner, director of the DHR's Division of Mental Health, Developmental Disabilities and Addictive Diseases, said last month.

Skinner said camp employees violated department policy by denying the boy his inhaler and food. She said some of the employees refused to take a polygraph test, which "is reason for termination." Skinner declined to say whether all the fired employees were involved in restraining the boy.

The fired staff members are Phillip Elliott, Torbin Vining, Paul Binford, Matt Desing and Ryan Chapman, according to the DHR. The agency declined to provide further identifying information on the fired employees, such as ages and hometowns. Repeated efforts to reach the five for comment have been unsuccessful.

Rick Ryczek, a lawyer for Desing, said his client had cooperated with investigators. "I've instructed my client not to make any [public] statements at this time," Ry-czek said.

In addition to the Cleveland wilderness camp, the DHR runs an outdoor therapeutic program for troubled children in Warm Springs. Skinner said Wednesday the agency had retrained staff at both camps in the use of restraints.

Skinner said the state does not permit face-down restraints ? and didn't before the boy's death.

Officials are reviewing the use of restraints, she said, and expect to have results within 90 days.
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2005, 12:44:00 PM »
Gotta love all that great work that ISAC's doing!  Keep it up over there Shelby and everyone else, we love what you do. :nworthy:
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2005, 05:58:00 PM »
Thanks, I'll add the articles to my site as well.
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2005, 11:51:00 AM »
I live in Metro Atlanta.  This one is close to home.

I'm very glad the wheels of the justice system so far appear to be on track.

There are always bad people who do bad things, and maybe people who weren't bad, once upon a time, who go bad.

When you start using joint locks, and holds, and restraints--for real and not for practice in a class--there are so many ways you can seriously injure the other person.  Or worse.

There is a reason it's illegal in Korea to teach Hapkido (the Korean martial art that focuses on joint locks and throws and similar) to anyone under 16.

I teach these techniques to people to use if they are fighting for their lives, or to use *very* carefully if an overwrought person is attacking them to avoid having to really hurt that person.

And we caution people over and over and over again about what they could break or tear or damage if they do it too hard or do it wrong, and *never* to play around with it.

The problem comes when you have some idiot learn the technique from *somewhere*, decide it's "neat" and shares it back and forth with personnel in control over people (like corrections settings) *without* all the warnings about what can go wrong.

*Everybody* who's employed in a setting where they have control over other human beings needs to be carefully educated in what they're allowed to do, and what they aren't, and why.

I hope the particular idiots involved get locked up and the key thrown away, but I hope even more that this tragedy leads to more and better classes for all the employees to know what they can do safely, and what they're forbidden to do, with a very scary lecture about the damage they can do if they cross that line, and the legal and life consequences to them if they do so.

These techniques are *military* techniques--they come from the Korean military of their time---and they are designed to control someone by placing a metaphorical gun to their head: "comply, or I rip out your rotator cuff, and it can't be fixed"; "comply, or I smash your elbow"; "comply, or you will be very hurt, then suddenly very dead."

They aren't toys, and only carefully practiced skill and knowledge makes the difference between a controlled, immediate *threat* to seriously injure someone if they don't comply, and actually going ahead and doing that injury.

The holds are painful if you resist because they're right on the threshhold of serious, permanent injury---so that the person being held is absolutely convinced that if he doesn't comply, "bad things" will happen to his body.

And they are absolutely not justified in any situation that is not deadly serious.

(Depending on the hold--some are lower risk than others, but you have to be trained to know which ones.)

They need to make an example of these guys, and they need to make it very clear to all state personnel that using body restraints or joint locks on a person *is* deadly force, it's just as if you drew a loaded gun and stuck it to their head at worst.  At *best* it's as if you drew a loaded gun and stuck it against the joint you're locking.

They *should* give some leeway if the employee is a red belt (3rd kup out of 10) or higher in Hapkido or Judo and the person restrained suffers no injury---because if you are an expert and use control, you *can* use it without hurting someone.  At least partly because you know, deep down into trained in muscle memory, when to let go if the person is struggling "wrong" and isn't *that* dangerous.

But if you're less expert than that, you might as well have pointed a gun at that person's joint, because if the person you've grabbed panics and moves wrong, or you screw up, you're going to screw that joint up for life.

I am, of course, talking about someone using the techniques in real life with all the adrenaline pumping in their system.  Some techniques are less risky.  Sometimes the danger to an innocent is so great that deadly force is justified.

But if a corrections person isn't a red belt or higher in Hapkido or Judo, they shouldn't be using these techniques on a person---or should only be using a very few "approved" techniques carefully selected by true experts---*except* in situations where they'd be legally justified in drawing their gun on that person.

I hope the perpetrators go to jail.

I hope even more that the rules are carefully overhauled to prevent more deaths or serious injuries happening because some employee *thinks* they know what they're doing when they *don't*.

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2005, 11:55:00 AM »
BTW--when I say "I teach," what I mean is that I assist under the supervision of the Master of our School.  Which is actually Taekwondo with a lot of Hapkido cross training, but the arts are basically designed to be paired up and taught parallel, so in this case it amounts to the same thing.

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2005, 08:52:00 PM »
Timoclea, dont get too caught up in the martial arts mysticism and whatnot.

While it might be helpful psychologically for a kid to feel empowered and belong to the group (and the art, I guess) sometimes it can turn into a little martial-cult, or they just get deluded into thinking they're bruce lee yet havent done anything other than point-sparring and get their ass beat in a fight.

I'm not saying I think YOU would let it happen, but this is more in general for other people. And also... dont think you can actualy fight, unless you fight! I've done TKD and I've done contact Muay Thai... I wouldnt use TKD to do anything but show off.  I've also done Judo and Brazilian jujutsu... any sort of grappling art (especially good ole wrestling!) is a good way to get used to actual contact without getting hurt. Plus you get in some AMAZING shape.

Martial arts, or fight training, or contact fighting sports in general, are worthwhile. Just dont get too caught up in the mysticism, forms, etc. Apply the same sort of skepticism to them you would a program.

http://www.bullshido.net or, hang out with them. They actually meet up to see what works... and guess what the funniest thing is? The bigger guy usually wins by default, unless hes just totally untrained, or doesnt have endurance.

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.


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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2005, 10:21:00 PM »
interesting. a restraint technique used on a kid in a boot camp? and said restraint technique came from the Korean military? isn't everyone always talking about at least the Straights' brainwashing methods coming from the Korean POW camps? what were those camps like? i would like to know.

p.s. the only martial art i have ever done is a little bit of capoeira. that is a cool one, you should check it out. it's got some cool history too.[ This Message was edited by: ;) on 2005-06-04 19:27 ]
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2005, 03:13:00 PM »
Joint/limb locks/manipulation is abundant in all cultures in some form or another. Martial arts just codify them and make it so you know what everyone else is takling about.

The brainwashing shit is apparently learned from the N. Koreans, as they did it to our POWS. Source? Our own government. Hell, the term brainwashing is derived from a chinese term, "Xi Nao" ("wash brain")  - although thats from the Communist party of china. The korean term probably differs.

Anywho, yeah, submission holds will cause extreme pain, hence why theyre called SUBMISSION holds. I doubt they pull to injury, and they're probably not doing it right (if you wanted to injure) but the psychological impact of bieng rendered totally helpless, having someone manhandle you, and cause such pain is bad enough.

Capoeira, yeah, its fun and acrobatic but Id rather train to fight or condition than show off. Besides, a knife or a gun always defeats unarmed people.

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."