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« Reply #1875 on: January 01, 2008, 11:52:46 PM »
http://http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=21438&start=0

examine this thread here for the Real story on PV.
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« Reply #1876 on: January 02, 2008, 11:49:21 AM »
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this is all horrible....

i was at PV for 19 months and another program for a year before that, leaving at the age of 14.


When were you there?

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I've seen so much shit talk about PV and it honestly  all sounds like its coming from the mouth of an angry teenager that doesnt give a crap about anyone else and is still blaming the world for everything.

I'm a parent, not an angry teenager, and my step daughter who was in PV is not angry but damaged.  I'm the angry one, I guess.  Six months in STU is inhuman treatment.  Here's some more PV info, including a grandparent's perspective: http://www.heal-online.org/peninsula.htm


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Yes the Village is unbelievably intense but, since it is refered to as "an end of the line" treatment center that would make complete sense, RIGHT??

A lot of kids, including mine, are nowhere near "end of the line" when they're admitted to PV.   My step daughter wasn't recommended for residential treatment.  Peninsula Hospital didn't recommend it.  You're not giving attention to the profitability of PV.

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It's one of the toughtest programs in the country, but have one of the highest recovery rates, so it works if you work it,
 

Wow.  That's a bold claim, care to back it up with some evidence PV has one of the highest recovery rates?  

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and I have never once seen one person be "abused" i have seen girls restrained after attempting to run, commit suicide, attack peers or staff, or hurt themselves some other way.

Attempting to run isn't an action that requires restraint.  Actually, if you did see someone restrained for trying to run, you saw serious abuse that should have been reported to authorities.

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I love the Village, and all of the staff even though I hated them at first, but you grow and your prespective changes. And also for those who are curious about PV alot of the posts i have seen on the internet are out of date, so I'd be glad to talk to anyone who isn't already a Village Hater so to say.



"Out of date"?  Define out of date.  The PV kids who are paraded out at PV parent rallies left the program ages ago.  Dan Sheps, the PV poster boy, left over a decade ago.

Abuse is abuse.  I've spoken with former PV patients spanning a decade and the level and type of abuse is constant.
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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #1877 on: January 02, 2008, 12:22:17 PM »
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and I have never once seen one person be "abused" i have seen girls restrained after attempting to run, commit suicide, attack peers or staff, or hurt themselves some other way.

Attempting to run isn't an action that requires restraint.  Actually, if you did see someone restrained for trying to run, you saw serious abuse that should have been reported to authorities.
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Unfortunately, restraining a commited patient who tries to run isn't abuse. If someone is commited to a psych- unit, the unit is legally entitled to prevent the individual from leaving.

This is why the laws regarding commiting youth under 18 need to be changed.
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« Reply #1878 on: January 02, 2008, 02:25:02 PM »
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and I have never once seen one person be "abused" i have seen girls restrained after attempting to run, commit suicide, attack peers or staff, or hurt themselves some other way.

Attempting to run isn't an action that requires restraint.  Actually, if you did see someone restrained for trying to run, you saw serious abuse that should have been reported to authorities.
.

Unfortunately, restraining a commited patient who tries to run isn't abuse. If someone is commited to a psych- unit, the unit is legally entitled to prevent the individual from leaving.

This is why the laws regarding commiting youth under 18 need to be changed.


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A person with mental illness or serious emotional disturbance may be isolated or restrained only in emergency situations if necessary to assure the physical safety of the person or another person nearby or to prevent significant destruction of property.[/color] If a person imposes restraints or isolation, the person shall immediately contact a qualified mental health professional who is permitted under department rules to authorize the isolation or restraint. If the treating physician is not the person who orders isolation or restraint, the treating physician shall be consulted as soon as possible. A professional authorized to permit isolation or restraint shall see and evaluate the person for the need for isolation or restraint within one (1) hour of the intervention.

(c) A person with developmental disability may be restrained only as part of an approved plan or in emergency situations if necessary to assure the physical safety of the person or another person nearby or to prevent significant destruction of property. Isolation may only be used with a person with developmental disability as part of the person's approved plan. Only psychologists, psychological examiners, senior psychological examiners, physicians, behavior analysts, masters degree social workers, and others authorized to do so under department rules may develop a plan that includes or authorizes isolation or restraint of a person with developmental disability.

(d) Staff shall remain in the physical presence of a person in restraint. Staff shall continuously observe a person in isolation or restraint for the health and well being of the person.

(e) The professional shall record the use of restraint or isolation, the reasons for its use, and the duration of its use in the person's record.

(f) All staff who may have direct contact with a person being restrained or isolated shall receive ongoing education and training in alternative methods for handling behavior and the safe use of isolation and restraint.

(g) The department shall adopt rules as to circumstances under which use of restraint and isolation are permitted. The department shall distribute the rules to all who provide services covered by this title.

(h) The department shall report annually to the statewide planning and policy council on the use of restraint and isolation in the state and its rules on the subject.

[Acts 2000, ch. 947, § 1; 2001, ch. 334, § 2; 2002, ch. 730, § 15.]


Most kids at PV aren't ordered there, they're held against their will.  Running doesn't represent harm to themselves, the staff, or the property.
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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #1879 on: January 02, 2008, 04:40:32 PM »
an angry teenager.. huh.   Peninsula Village having the highest turn out rate of successful recovery. See even if that is true (which it's not) that still is not a very high number. And even if any of the patients were crazy (I was in STU with a kid who saw little people killing each other) the methods used were not needed nor did they help. Wonderful you got something out of PV... So did I, I got out of it that there are scum sucking bastards willing to hurt kids to make a buck.  PV did not prove to me I was stronger... I was fucking hoping trains before they stuck me in that shit hole so I already knew I could handle PV.... The point was I never should have had to.

The ratio of kids that support PV to the ones that dispise it is vast. And as I told Zen. I just don't like thoes odds.
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« Reply #1880 on: January 02, 2008, 04:43:37 PM »
This is for Zen upon his request, it's a letter I sent to the currant head of PV


Make no mistake this letter is not aimed directly at you, there have been many before you and no doubt many after in other treatment centers. You are just currantly the head of Peninsula Village and therefore the most responisble for the actions of all the employees. I just want you to understand a few things. No matter how many acclaims you have honoring the facility, no matter how many alumni you may have claming you saved their lives (and in 11 coming on 12 years there is barely a handful), you may look happy and cheerful on your website and phamplets, make no mistake you are ALL parading this disgusting display of mental and physical abuse as " medical treatment". You torture teenagers pure and simple and you get paid for it. I have numerous contacts of both former patients and parents who have disclosed some of the most awful and in some cases sadistic things I have ever heard to be backed up by a professonal health organazation. This is a letter to inform you that Peninsula Vilage, from now on out is going to be watched closely. Sure we can't go on campus (because you won't let us) and when you do let anyone in your staff shines everything up and makes everything pretty for such events as graduation or parents day. But think about this, I am going to go over a very vauge number of how many patents you have, I say vauge because there are times when STU or a cabin on either side boy or girl could be empty so bare with me on this. There are usualy about 10 kids to any group, I am going to assume there are still 3 boy groups and 2 female groups. That tallies up to about 50 so far. Then we have boy STU, which I believe can hold up to 11, assuming boy STU2 is open ass well thats another 8 to 9, that adds up to 69 or 68. Then we have the girl STU, I honestly have no idea so to make it even I'll assume 10. So there are usualy about 70 kids in your program give or take. The Village opened up in 1986 but from what I hear the groups were smaller back then which I will take in to account. lets assume there were only about 20 paitents from 1986 untill 1989 per year. Also we have to factor in that kids came in and out frequantly because dang nabbit not all could afford it or their insurence companies decided to stop paying the bill, but because that would take so long and I am trying to keep it theorheticaly short Iam only going to go by a single year and not count the change in potential kids. so for the first 4 years with 20 kids per year we have 80. Now lets take the tally of 70 kids per year and times that by 8, which comes out to 560. Now we both know the number of kids that went to P.V. is much higher but for the sake of argument I kept it simple enough. How many of that number do you think were "cured" because of treatment? I promise you, most were not and the poster children you walk around like ponies look so bleak and empty it makes one wonder why they don't just kill themselves. Including but not limited to Dan Shepps (If you dont' know the Name ask Bob or Tony if he's still working there).  How many of these people still hate and dispise what was done to them, how many grind their teeth at the sound of an airhorn, how many do you think are afraid to look people in the eye? How many do you think would want to see P.V. shut down permantly? The point is you do not help children, you break them down, make them feel helpless and exploit their fears and shatter their self confidence. Telling a rape victim she is the cause of her assault is not theraputic, telling a child he/she is addicted to alcohol and drugs because they smoked a joint after school is not recovery, restraining a child because they did not follow a command is not standard procedure, and forbidding a child to talk to his parents in anything but a supervised situation is inhumane. You are not legaly licenced to "restrict" rights of anybody, and you illegaly save on labor costs to the facility by taking the children out of class three days a week and making them do the work (i.e. clearing the brush and cutting logs in swealtering heat for no money, or fixing any of the cabins when they get worn down) to keep codes up to date and trying to pass it of as a class and an educational service. This whole center is corrupt and it will be exposed. Send this to the police if you want. I have made no threats of bodily harm, I only have stated that justice will come to the hundreds of people whos lives you ruined, and it will come fairly and in due course. This is the strike for all the kids who had no voice, no knowlege of the how, and no choice over their own lives. To the staff of Peninsula Village, the retubution has begun.     To the victims, we love every last one of you like a brother and sister and our homes, hearts, and lives will always be open to you, we will not forgive them for what they did and we will not forget....
 
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Cheers
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« Reply #1881 on: January 02, 2008, 04:59:33 PM »
Thanks, DYS.  That cuts through all the BS being flung around.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #1882 on: January 02, 2008, 05:02:17 PM »
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and I have never once seen one person be "abused" i have seen girls restrained after attempting to run, commit suicide, attack peers or staff, or hurt themselves some other way.

Attempting to run isn't an action that requires restraint.  Actually, if you did see someone restrained for trying to run, you saw serious abuse that should have been reported to authorities.
.

Unfortunately, restraining a commited patient who tries to run isn't abuse. If someone is commited to a psych- unit, the unit is legally entitled to prevent the individual from leaving.

This is why the laws regarding commiting youth under 18 need to be changed.


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A person with mental illness or serious emotional disturbance may be isolated or restrained only in emergency situations if necessary to assure the physical safety of the person or another person nearby or to prevent significant destruction of property.[/color] If a person imposes restraints or isolation, the person shall immediately contact a qualified mental health professional who is permitted under department rules to authorize the isolation or restraint. If the treating physician is not the person who orders isolation or restraint, the treating physician shall be consulted as soon as possible. A professional authorized to permit isolation or restraint shall see and evaluate the person for the need for isolation or restraint within one (1) hour of the intervention.

(c) A person with developmental disability may be restrained only as part of an approved plan or in emergency situations if necessary to assure the physical safety of the person or another person nearby or to prevent significant destruction of property. Isolation may only be used with a person with developmental disability as part of the person's approved plan. Only psychologists, psychological examiners, senior psychological examiners, physicians, behavior analysts, masters degree social workers, and others authorized to do so under department rules may develop a plan that includes or authorizes isolation or restraint of a person with developmental disability.

(d) Staff shall remain in the physical presence of a person in restraint. Staff shall continuously observe a person in isolation or restraint for the health and well being of the person.

(e) The professional shall record the use of restraint or isolation, the reasons for its use, and the duration of its use in the person's record.

(f) All staff who may have direct contact with a person being restrained or isolated shall receive ongoing education and training in alternative methods for handling behavior and the safe use of isolation and restraint.

(g) The department shall adopt rules as to circumstances under which use of restraint and isolation are permitted. The department shall distribute the rules to all who provide services covered by this title.

(h) The department shall report annually to the statewide planning and policy council on the use of restraint and isolation in the state and its rules on the subject.

[Acts 2000, ch. 947, § 1; 2001, ch. 334, § 2; 2002, ch. 730, § 15.]

Most kids at PV aren't ordered there, they're held against their will.  Running doesn't represent harm to themselves, the staff, or the property.


The thinking is that if a committed person is trying to run, he/she is participating in an action that is a "danger to themself". This is a fundamental tenant of the psych facility ethos. This why psych units can hold people against their will in the first place. Unfortunately, no, you don't have to be court ordered to be held against your will. There needs to be some "probable cause" that you could be in jeopardy, or immediately need emergency level services. This translates to a world where you can call the cops on your wife/husband/stranger and report that they pose a risk to themselves or others and if the cops think that there is any kernel of truth to this, they can bring you to a psych unit. Once there the Dr. will decide if you need further ob/intervention. At this point, you can challenge the Dr.'s decision. If a judge orders that you can not be kept against your will because you are mentally stable enough to leave you can go, or he can "court order" you to remain.

If you are under 18, and brought by any means to a hosp. you don’t have the guaranteed right to challenge their view that you should be locked away.
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« Reply #1883 on: January 02, 2008, 05:25:08 PM »
SNAP it To YA! Everybody on the peninsula know Dan Sheps is on the Covenant Health PAYROLL!
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« Reply #1884 on: January 02, 2008, 06:15:52 PM »
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The thinking is that if a committed person is trying to run, he/she is participating in an action that is a "danger to themself". This is a fundamental tenant of the psych facility ethos. This why psych units can hold people against their will in the first place. Unfortunately, no, you don't have to be court ordered to be held against your will. There needs to be some "probable cause" that you could be in jeopardy, or immediately need emergency level services. This translates to a world where you can call the cops on your wife/husband/stranger and report that they pose a risk to themselves or others and if the cops think that there is any kernel of truth to this, they can bring you to a psych unit. Once there the Dr. will decide if you need further ob/intervention. At this point, you can challenge the Dr.'s decision. If a judge orders that you can not be kept against your will because you are mentally stable enough to leave you can go, or he can "court order" you to remain.

If you are under 18, and brought by any means to a hosp. you don’t have the guaranteed right to challenge their view that you should be locked away.


...and we'll challenge that.  No doctor or court ordered my step daughter into PV, only her father did.  In the end, it was decided the placement "should have never happened".  

My step daughter was restrained for trying to run toward her mother as she left the facility.  Define the risk, other than my wife possibly following instinct and taking her away - she wanted to, while the restraint was going on, but she ran the risk of being restrained as well.  

If it's all so legal, why did the PV staff freak out when my wife photographed the improper (non-TCI) restraint?

Sorry, I'm not buying the "elopement = self-harm" bit, that's stretching in an attempt to make the law fit.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #1885 on: January 02, 2008, 06:37:50 PM »
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« Reply #1886 on: January 02, 2008, 07:04:46 PM »
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The thinking is that if a committed person is trying to run, he/she is participating in an action that is a "danger to themself". This is a fundamental tenant of the psych facility ethos. This why psych units can hold people against their will in the first place. Unfortunately, no, you don't have to be court ordered to be held against your will. There needs to be some "probable cause" that you could be in jeopardy, or immediately need emergency level services. This translates to a world where you can call the cops on your wife/husband/stranger and report that they pose a risk to themselves or others and if the cops think that there is any kernel of truth to this, they can bring you to a psych unit. Once there the Dr. will decide if you need further ob/intervention. At this point, you can challenge the Dr.'s decision. If a judge orders that you can not be kept against your will because you are mentally stable enough to leave you can go, or he can "court order" you to remain.

If you are under 18, and brought by any means to a hosp. you don’t have the guaranteed right to challenge their view that you should be locked away.

...and we'll challenge that.  No doctor or court ordered my step daughter into PV, only her father did.  In the end, it was decided the placement "should have never happened".  

My step daughter was restrained for trying to run toward her mother as she left the facility.  Define the risk, other than my wife possibly following instinct and taking her away - she wanted to, while the restraint was going on, but she ran the risk of being restrained as well.  

If it's all so legal, why did the PV staff freak out when my wife photographed the improper (non-TCI) restraint?

Sorry, I'm not buying the "elopement = self-harm" bit, that's stretching in an attempt to make the law fit.


If you can get your lawyers to challenge that good for you.

But as the law is currently engaged, RTC's and psych wards have the right to restrain patients who try to escape. I don't favor this law, but I speak as someone who's been in a # of psych wards until I had myself emancipated, and have experienced this in all of them.

A parent puts u in a psych ward, the drs. there decide that u need to be there, and there u stay unless u can get a court order allowing you to leave. If the facility advertises itself as a "boarding school" then there is more of a base for a rights violation case. Did a Dr at PV say that she needed to stay, or did a non accredited counselor say she needed to stay? Did her Dad say he wanted her there?

All these thing will count against or for you in what is, at best, a legal grey area.
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« Reply #1887 on: January 02, 2008, 07:29:32 PM »
i know someone usually post this but I didn't see it here yet

http://www.peninsulavillage.org/Village ... 202008.pdf
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« Reply #1888 on: January 02, 2008, 09:21:52 PM »
Dieyuppiescum please also post the above over on Cafety
dagon it, that is way too cute, sorry I did not believe before you might make  Mark Twain references, I read his Joan of Arc, he wrote a good book on Joan of Arc, last summer
i am very angry when it comes to PV and I seem to yell at everyone a lot
i am not normally so, on the grief trauma therapy websites it says this is normal. sorry again, Nilanthic called me cunt girl, to be blunt, for three pages for no good reason, as if you can really have a good reason, so i've been pissed ever since
anyway, you mean there are not little people in the TV trying to kill each other?  
I thought it was all performing angry gnomes.
when i was in nobody I was in with seemed to have such health problems but it does not surprise me that PV will take them if they are manageable enough to do hard labor and of course, will pay.  
i think also of course, above "alumni" is PV staff, probably higher up then the nastier ones that post on here as guests

I saw a bunch of restraints that had no legitimate reason
most restraints had no legal basis, they were not trying to run, or commit suicide or attack anyone
there was not much running, where the hell were you going to go?
you were in STU and then in the middle of no where but surrounded by rural neighborhoods many miles from a city or highway.  
 one girl I was in the cabins with tried to run and that was it
maybe they just put me in the wimpy group or something, or maybe the smart one, the only girl that tried to run managed to steal a teachers car keys out of her desk then sneak out of the school building, it was horrible though, she got to the car and it was a stick shift and she didn't know how to drive a stick, she didn't get far.
running was very rare and usually happened right away, like on the day of arrival,  it is odd I think Jersey Gurl talks about it, a lot of people would try to run as soon as they got on the PV campus and then never try again.
i made it as far as the bushes outside the family therapy offices
it was like Jersey Gurl said, as soon as you got on campus the bad gut instinct kicked in, no reason for it either, the family therapy building looks ok, I had already dealt with the escort thug crew, and I hadn't met PV staff yet, I just got out of the car, looked at the nice neat building and lawn and was filled with overwhelming horror and made a bolt for the bushes.  The thug collection crew grabbed me after about 15 ft and I never tried to run again.
I think there is something to the trust your gut instinct thing, its kind of buried but its there and accurate

but 90% of restrains were completely uncalled for, and another 5% could have been avoided
some one would sit down on work detail saying they didn't feel well
or staff would all be standing around someone sitting on the ground crying and staff would be harassing them and try to grab their arm and the person would supposedly pull their arm away and that was it, staff would restrain them.  If people didn't follow the million rules, if you got off your bed or chewed on your cuticles they restrained you.  They restrained someone twice a week on average, sometimes more.
 I was restrained because I couldn't stop crying and that was it.  
I really couldn't stop crying, understandably.  They had me sit in the corner and then told me if I wouldn't stop they would restrain me.  I told them I couldn't stop and after another minute or two they restrained me.  I was just sitting in the corner crying, nothing else.  
i was trying to cry quietly too.  Most people really tried to avoid being restrained and like Dieyuppiescum says they just tough it out, what else can you do?  
I really wanted to “work my programâ€
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« Reply #1889 on: January 02, 2008, 09:39:48 PM »
when i said PV staff would all stand around harassing the crying person they would stand right on top of them in a very threatening bunch
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