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« Reply #300 on: April 26, 2007, 08:40:53 PM »
Zen, I think for her sake we should chill.

I can't even make heads or tails of what she is trying to say!

She strikes me as a very hurt young lady who doesn't know quite how to enumerate and communicate what shes feeling or has to say. And you know what?

Shes just as entitled to... not share it at all! This isn't group!
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« Reply #301 on: April 26, 2007, 08:46:01 PM »
You know, I tried that...if you look back, way back in this thread, you'll see a lot of people tried that.  She wants nothing but confrontation, and sympathy or offers of consultation are ignored, or misinterpreted and attacked, and it's not the place.
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« Reply #302 on: April 26, 2007, 08:49:03 PM »
She needs help, or at the very least a sit down, I M H O. Im not a therapist.

And, uh, from me to you, free, please use "paragraphs" to seperate your stuff so I can make sense of it. its hard to read!

And, another thing from me to you.. men might have pissed you off, but we're not the men who have hurt you, and we don't deserve it. We (zen and I) have been trying to help others for quite a while... myself at least 3 years so far *sigh* and more than one of the kids I've helped to get out of a program were, infact, female.

So, please sperate the real enemies from the projected ones? I realize how programish some of this might sound, but FFS, we're not your enemies.

I'd also recommend finding a REAL therapist, or some kind of activity that is cathartic for you to vent out.
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« Reply #303 on: April 26, 2007, 08:49:08 PM »
You are right about the violent psychos being mixed in with the anorexics making PV look bad.

What i say is relevant. I was in PV. I make PV look bad!  I have read what I posted and it is fine?  It makes PV look bad.
You are odd zen?  You should not come back with PV slogans, what was it that was self centered? When I posted stories about all the other girls, proving how they were not criminals or juvenile delinquents?  
I am unsure about you? You may be from PV, you pretend to flick PV off but you came back with a party slogan.

Why should you care if you noticed correlations, in whose story?  Why would this be a bad thing? what are you attacking me for?  How did you know about the affidavit?  
I may have gotten off on the wrong foot with you. I confused your post about klepper, i just saw baseball bat guy story and I was already mad, sorry to have been rude.  
you post stuff against PV and I will too.  I don't talk about myself except in relation to PV.  You should not discredit me if you want to cause trouble for PV, we are on the same side, I don't mean to do such to you.  I will only post things that will cause trouble for PV.

Light bright boy, unless you were in PV or have something to say about how bad programs are or PV is, go away. Again if you want to ask a girl out just ask her? Don't call her anything nasty, if she says no ask another girl, that has nothing to do with sexual harassment.  You are right about the spaces though, all this might get a little long otherwise.  talkative I may be, but of course I am, I really really don't like PV and it did years of nasty things to me and other nice people I liked and I was silenced all that time about it.
I got a thing or two to say about PV ok!

If the rape victim want's to talk about how crappy rapists are let them? duh.    
How about you leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone, we can both go about what we are doing.   I'm writing this stuff to get it out there, not to have it commented on? PV is bad, can we stay with that theme.  It is bad because it beats up on girls who deal with bad sexual harassment in school everyday and blames them for it.
PV is bad because it beats up on rape and molestation victims, here is how prevelant rape and molestation are.
PV is bad because it blames the girls for things that happened to them.  
I guess what I'm trying to say is PV id bad because it empowers abusive families.
I have a theme and it is PV is bad because, I only can go with what I know ok?
Zen what the hell are you doing?
Find something to say about PV, like it is bad because.
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« Reply #304 on: April 26, 2007, 08:54:19 PM »
I am posting this again because I think it got lost in all the stupidity.
PV likes to make the teens sound as bad as possible so they seem to deserve the abuse, A few may be dangerous but this does not make what PV does any better, If anything it is one more example of PV's stupidity anmd negligence. PV has beat you down group therapy where other teens give the "feedback" two times a day!." THis is not safe to have teens bullying other teens, they also give the teens axes and such to carry around and then push them past the breaking point, very very dangerous!! Survivng PV is actually a testimony to the sanity of most of the kids, although it certainly doesn't help ones "sanity".
Here is who I was in with! Hardly hardened criminals or Bad Girls! Again I swear everything I say here is true, to the best of my knowledge.
-We had the anorexic pianist, who's mom was an alcoholic.
-We had the anorexic overachiever asian girl, not a stereotype sorry, but she was, I think she had chemical depression, sad for no reason type.
-The state kid with good grades on the basketball team with Jehovah's witness grandma, before mentioned.
-15 year old girl who lived with aunt and cousins had been molesting her since five or so, also no drug use at all. Aunt kicked her out when she told her she had been molested by her sons, nineteen year old neighbor guy took her in, she ran home, aunt turned her over to PV through state. Cousins molesting her for sure.
- Molestation case with pregnancy, that was a cute story, abusive family.
-A party girl someone had told Ruffee's were cool and she woke up naked on a school playground to cops.
Again do we notice a sexual abuse theme? a lot of the girls, it was the main problem.
-thirteen year old, divorce situation, wasn't doing well in school, had written some odd stuff in diary, father seized custody and put her in PV.
-thirteen year old ate some aspirin,
--two state kids who had run away and ran the gauntlet, the "prostitutes" ones story ended with her having the crude kicked out of her and being left in a ditch.
-Girl grandfather had molested, parents put in PV
-The gay occasional pot smoker with Christian parents, don't come out to the Christians!!
-Seventeen year old rich cocaine dealer kind of, in college all ready, an arts school, very very pretty, some old rich guy had gotten her into it, she thought she was cool or something.
-The state kid, didn't do any drugs, fourteen I believe, they restrained ALL the TIME, and left in the straight jacket, had already been there like two years, she was normal just had unfit parents and ran away and she caused a fuss a lot.
- 2 Kids with semi unfit parents who had run away from them and foster care, the one would run home then run back to foster care, so they both reported her as a run away. They caught her in her own room at her parents house.
- Another ran away to boyfriends, in foster care unfit parents, she liked Danzig and was practicing witch craft. Danzig is bad but should not be enough to get you put in a prison camp. That really is most of them I can remember,
-oh chemical depression kid some cutting, dramatic little scratch things, no drugs, drinking anything.
So you see not really criminals, depression is not a crime, nor is being molested, in state care, and so on? The girls I was in with were actually nice girls, I don't harbor any bad feelings toward any of them. God bless them please! I care about them. They were good people even in the face of having PV try to force them to abuse others. If there is a God they are not in the wrong in this situation and they acted well, and honorably.

You guys really sound like you are from PV.
I am very clear, sexism is bad and it is certainly everywhere?  
Why are you attacking me
I didn't attack you?
You are acting very strange.
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« Reply #305 on: April 26, 2007, 08:55:49 PM »
Quote from: ""free we are not""
You are right about the violent psychos being mixed in with the anorexics making PV look bad.

Thats very true.

Quote from: ""free we are not""
What i say is relevant. I was in PV. I make PV look bad!  I have read what I posted and it is fine?  It makes PV look bad.
You are odd zen?  You should not come back with PV slogans, what was it that was self centered? When I posted stories about all the other girls, proving how they were not criminals or juvenile delinquents?  
I am unsure about you? You may be from PV, you pretend to flick PV off but you came back with a party slogan.

Not in a way that is your fault, you make PV look horrible. Making someone as clearly pissed off and unable to communicate as you are (no offence, and no intended humiliation...) is a horrible thing to do in the name of treatment, or any reason at all.

Quote from: ""free we are not""
Why should you care if you noticed correlations, in whose story?  Why would this be a bad thing? what are you attacking me for?  How did you know about the affidavit?  
I may have gotten off on the wrong foot with you. I confused your post about klepper, i just saw baseball bat guy story and I was already mad, sorry to have been rude.  
you post stuff against PV and I will too.  I don't talk about myself except in relation to PV.  You should not discredit me if you want to cause trouble for PV, we are on the same side, I don't mean to do such to you.  I will only post things that will cause trouble for PV.

Nothing to say here, but I'm not ommitting that paragraph...

Quote from: ""free we are not""
Light bright boy, unless you were in PV or have something to say about how bad programs are or PV is, go away. Again if you want to ask a girl out just ask her? Don't call her anything nasty, if she says no ask another girl, that has nothing to do with sexual harassment.  You are right about the spaces though, all this might get a little long otherwise.  talkative I may be, but of course I am, I really really don't like PV and it did years of nasty things to me and other nice people I liked and I was silenced all that time about it.
I got a thing or two to say about PV ok!

Free, please.
I'm against ALL programs that hurt people, or any institution that kidnaps people, convinces them they have problems, or makes up problems, then 'fixes' them by hurting them and abusing them for a long time. I've been at this three years and I'm not about to let a place this horrible get away from my attention becuase you feel you have some ownership of it. There are a lot of people abused who weren't you... plus you don't get to designate who gets to care about it or not.

Quote from: ""free we are not""
If the rape victim want's to talk about how crappy rapists are let them? duh.    
How about you leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone, we can both go about what we are doing.   I'm writing this stuff to get it out there, not to have it commented on? PV is bad, can we stay with that theme.  It is bad because it beats up on girls who deal with bad sexual harassment in school everyday and blames them for it.
PV is bad because it beats up on rape and molestation victims, here is how prevelant rape and molestation are.
PV is bad because it blames the girls for things that happened to them.  
I guess what I'm trying to say is PV id bad because it empowers abusive families.
I have a theme and it is PV is bad because, I only can go with what I know ok?
Zen what the hell are you doing?
Find something to say about PV, like it is bad because.


Not quite sure how this is supposed to be spaced out so I'll leave it alone...

I want you to chill out a bit and make posts easier to wrap your head around. You come across as if you are ranting. Not that you don't have a lot to rant about, but if it is hard to digest, then someone will just say you're "crazy" and disregard what you have to say. Or, worse, throw you in some psych ward if you do it around the wrong people.
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CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #306 on: April 26, 2007, 08:58:52 PM »
Edited.
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« Reply #307 on: April 26, 2007, 08:59:52 PM »
I view discussions of sexism, rape, molestation, harassment and other mostly womens issues as things that should not be viewed as taboo, like we live under the Taliban or something. She said sexism, that has sex in it? Huh? and the other people list expanitives I could be talking about, It was cauliflower totally like he says, you knew what I was taliking about you went on to say it.  I edit *&^^ explanitives, because they sound so bad when you re write them, even though you are giving examples of things that are bad and not what you think or say.
It's not saying the c word to the room, it's saying it to a woman or about a woman, it is still a pretty offensive term. Sexism may begin with sex because it inevitably , historically it seems to have to do with the sexual oppression, repression and abuse of women. sorry but that is what sexism is, economics come into play, if you look at marriage a hundred years ago it had a lot to do with sex and economics and women were not given any other outlets? This has only so much to do with me? It is as much about people I have known, please have some respect for all the girls in the Village and elsewhere and understand that you should let people talk without bothering them? Do you have anything interesting about life to say? Anything relevant to PV? Otherwise you should not be here, I am the only one on here that was in PV? Sexism was a big problem in PV for women, I don't even think half of you know what sexual prejudice is. It's when a woman says I was flashed or something and someone says, well what were you doing in the park alone and such.
This is relevant to being in PV for me, and more than a couple of the other girls, because I was in PV because I was molested at fourteen, and then I got PV's crazy sexual prejudice for two years! I am so used to being attacked about this stuff, I am an expert on it, I anaylize and read books on it. Don't give me any more examples  I speak out about it because I think it is important. It is real, that is why I am like this, paranoid or not, how could I not be paraniod? If you were one of the girls in PV for being molested you would think the same thing.
Your responses are terrible and I am saddened by them, have some empathy. Please think first before you say stuff back, I am not attacking men, the tv is mysogynistic in a lot of ways, women are often portrayed as stupid available prostitutes, annoying but there for sex? That would be mysogynistic, strippers, girls gone wild, all mysogynistic. Baseball bat guy, mysogynistic, ok. I didn't say you were, I just read baseball bat story out of context. sorry, I like men, I love my brother, he's male? I know lot's of nice men?
Any way I don't care, I am tough, people try to shut you up by being cruel in relation to what personal things you have to say, I don't think what I have to say is all that personal to me.
I am somewhat distanced from it, it is relevant, many relevant things are personal.
Dealing with an abusive family, and I love my family and they can be nice, but I have the tape to remind me of how they can be at other times for no reason, this is the stuff that most girls out of PV deal with I thinK?
Loving your family but they are the ones who put you in PV, and they are often not easy to live with, and can be abusive.
Sexism, womens issues, also a big thing in and out of PV? Dealing with abuse. I'm not going to say what kind of abuse any more because it is hard enough without the nasty responses.
I am sorry if I seem to pick on men, but think a little, I have good reason to be a bit touchy.

you come back to this posting with what?  Why are you being such jerks?  Were you in a program light bright boy?  
stop attacking me you little bastard.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
how dare you?
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« Reply #308 on: April 26, 2007, 09:02:13 PM »
I'm not attacking you.

I am saying you're clearly hurt becuase of what they did and lashing out, and what you post is hard to make sense of becuase it seems just to be a slammed-together pile of thoughts and feelings and outbursts.

Its hard to read!

Please take the time to break things up into paragraphs so it is easier to read, ok?

Another thing I'm saying is you shouldn't put off the few people who know about this shit that are willing to help, if not for your sake than for other people who are being abused in PV and the thousand or so other programs like it right this second while you're bitching about me on a forum.

For fucks sake..  :roll:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #309 on: April 26, 2007, 09:05:50 PM »
"Light bright boy"?  What the...Niles, tread easily.  I don't even know what you said to trigger all that.  You're trying to be sympathetic, but...it gets wearisome, for you, I mean.  It'll make your head hurt.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #310 on: April 26, 2007, 09:07:53 PM »
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"Light bright boy"?  What the...Niles, tread easily.  I don't even know what you said to trigger all that.  You're trying to be sympathetic, but...it gets wearisome.


She's hurt, defensive, distrustful, trying to vent, trying to speak, needs to be listened to, and unable to calm down to communicate. And she's got a good reason!

Guess why she's like that? Yep, PV.

Its not our fault, but its not HER fault either. I think we know not to blame the victim here.

I'm not taking it personally, Im just trying to get her to chill, communicate a little better, and tell me from her real enemy. If she has to beat me up on the internet first, so be it, e-bruises aren't so bad.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #311 on: April 26, 2007, 09:11:51 PM »
kiss my ass
 the stuff you all have said to me in the last couple posts has been horrible
i posted something about sexual harassment because it was a pretty common theme in the village, as was sexual abuse and molestation and such  
how dare you come back with such stupid ugly things in relation to some poor woman being strong enough to be honest in the hopes of protecting other girls.  
if it were not for my big mouth your daughter might still be in PV Zen, i'm sorry i didn't recognize you at first. my life is not easy, blessings like me come with curses.
you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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« Reply #312 on: April 26, 2007, 09:13:43 PM »
Free, at least because Zen is our best bet for taking out PV, you need to calm the hell down.

Another thing is that if you're hurt, you want to lash back. SAME FOR US!

And WE did not hurt you, PV did. We're trying to help!
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #313 on: April 26, 2007, 09:19:26 PM »
It's okay, Free.  Let's get back to square one:  We're all on the same side.  No need to bash away at each other, we've been bashed enough.  We're survivors, parents and former patients alike.  Let's work together.
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« Reply #314 on: April 26, 2007, 09:21:13 PM »
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Free, at least because Zen is our best bet for taking out PV, I want you to calm the hell down.

Another thing is that if you're hurt, you want to lash back. SAME FOR US!

And WE did not hurt you, PV did. We're trying to help!



Ok Doc Phil time to take a pill and chill.

Look people.. This thread is about PV. Not sexual harrassment or anything else.

Perhaps we all ought to stop making assumptions about what PV did or didn't do to Free We Are Not, or attempting to ascertain her motivations. I know I've tried to in the past, and have given up simply because by nature people are unpredictable.

Free We Are Not:

There is an entire forum here for you to post on. I'd like you to feel comfortable discussing whatever you want on any of those forums. This specific thread is in regards to PV as you well know. So would you be willing to answer some of my questions about your time in the Village?

Nothing brutal, no Doc Phil Wannabe baloney.. just basic questions about PV and the quality of life that you have experienced.


Thanks.. TSW
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