Peninsula Village

[Anonymous]

Well almost, just wanted to see the page change

[ZenAgent]

::both:: 25,000 TIMES?  Hi, PV!  Bet ya hate us.  

Hey, PV B+D nutter - I think they added this for you: ::whip::

[Anonymous]

its not crazy, you just don't know
i can hear you that it sounds unreal but it is true and easy to prove
go to the adderall website
type in Adderall under google
then go to the prescribing info on the website
it's in small print, as is most prescribing info, magnify it and there you have proved it. they are prescribing amphetamines for kids with ADD
I don't know how this is legal
i also used to have faith in the FDA
when some one first told me that all the cracked out looking college kids were really just abusing the ADD medication which was an amphetamine
I thought "What! sure  "
but then I went and looked it up and it's right there
Adderall isn't that new either, it's been around for a while now
the website is interesting, please go check it out before you say anything
there are a lot of bugs under the rock I've found in the pharmaceutical and psychiatric business.
not to mention foster care or juvenile justice.
historically speaking, its probably one of the industries with the worst record of really horrific abuse.
I guess that's why stuff like this exists up until now and is allowed
it's a left over from not too distant history
We all have heard the whole "Mothers little helper" thing right?, from the 50's and 60's?
and in the 19th century they gave out morphine for everything
the eugenics era is also a really good research topic
before the IDEA Disabilities Act in  1975's the treatment of the retarded or anyone with a handicap was often appalling in state programs
Foster kids or children of adults who were drug addicts, criminals or prostitutes or even immigrants, because of the language barrier, often got lumped in with the retarded because they hadn't had proper schooling and did poorly on standardized tests
this is a very bad world I think and it needs to get more awareness
it's an interesting way to spend an afternoon,
I need to organize some of the research I've done better as well and maybe get back to this site with it.
because i just have so much time to write you all a research paper
if you type in eugenics era a lot of good stuff pops up
researching older asylums, abuse in foster care and the juvenile justice system, NPR has a great article called My Lobotomy Howard Dully's Journey. Just type in NPR Howard Dully

[Anonymous]

it's not just "older" institutions either
for example the eugenics based homes for the retarded, which were appalling, were horrific up till the 70's
I have a picture by Jack Dykinga from one of the "State Schools for the Mentally Retarded"
I googled "Jack Dykinga state school for the mentally retarded"
and the first line is the picture
go see for yourself!
the picture was taken in 1970!

[Froderik]

Interesting, disturbing stuff there, free...

[Covergaard]

Peninsula Village on Fornits build on the info from secreprisonsforteens

I am working to solve the problem with references. Something is different than Wikipedia.

Should we add the Q/A tread on the discussion page?

[Anonymous]

sorry I yelled at you Covergaard,
i didn't know Abigail really was a stripper now.
with out knowing that,
i thought you were just calling her one which is pretty offensive.  
poor abigail though, i guess i got touchy about it because i was in pv so i know the desperation mentality it puts you in
i still think she's young and being exploited all over the place.
I hope she makes it long enough to get out
the late teens and very early twenties are pretty hard out of PV
they were hard for me,

you have the after effects of so much abuse at pv and then the after effects of whatever put you in pv, but you are still too young to process it all very well or to be independent of the people that put you in PV, either the parents or the kinds of peer groups.
it tends to just hurt and you react,

I would guess alcohol or drug problems are very common in those years in PV survivors
I'm so glad to be older now and better able to deal with the trauma effectively, and to be closer to a degree and basically to just having it together and feeling better.

the three years right out of PV were no fun
It's really important to learn too, that other people will try to exploit you, more or less extremely.
look at PV, they are certainly exploiting the kids there
once you figure out how to protect yourself and that you need to protect yourself from exploitative people
and you stop taking drugs that release all your endorphins at once,
so you act stupid then crash into the depths of chemical depression
I personally did not have any problems stopping any drug use, which is ironic considering PV acts like if you inhaled once you have to go to NA meetings forever.
It's been years now and I never even think about it.
they sound exhausting to me? Maybe because I'm so busy, I'm already exhausted, but even drinking, which I used to do a lot, as a way to alter how I felt and to feel excited or cool and so on, I have no interest in.
I'll have a glass of wine or a mixed drink or beer once in a while.
again it doesn't do much for me and it makes it hard to function the next day and I have too much to do.
But any way I think Abigail is in the desperation drug use phase of getting out of PV, and hopefully she'll pull out of it.

It really does get better once you get your self away from abusive people and mellow out.  It helps once you start succeeding in some aspect of society too, no matter how much crap you still get.
Like when you get practically desperate as opposed to self destructively so, and work really hard and start getting good grades.
Sure people still throw stones at you but you get used to it and it becomes a matter of pride really to get through it anyway and to not let the bastards knock you down or off your track.  
I don’t agree with the way the world works but I’m going to survive in it and I have a right too!

I'm not giving a DARE speech either, I'm just stating what happened to me with drugs and drinking.
I just grew out of them really, I think the same thing happened to a lot of baby boomers, they went from hippie to IBM' ers.
A girl in one of my classes used to be a stripper and she was marrying the physics professor and liked to quilt.
Yes quilt?!
people are not stereo types like TV says, they are just people
I still think strip clubs and the sex industry are really horrible things,
I'm simply saying that Abigail is still just a person
Right now I think she's in a bad place though, like she could die and it is certainly adding to the PTS, poor girl
I think that she is in a dangerous world and I hope she gets out ok!

[Froderik]

You ever see that Pamela Anderson Roast on Comedy Central??

It's fucking hilarious!!!

[Anonymous]

oh come on :roll:
your average half dead desperate abused women or girl in a strip club has nothing to do with that  millionaire barbie doll who's breasts change size every few months.
 I 'm not saying either that some strippers are not obnoxious or scary  
I don't know, the entire sex industry scares the hell out of me, and it would scare you too if you were a women.
Any group of people, especially taking into consideration the bad neighborhood factor, like I don't know why a bad neighborhood is more dangerous exactly, i think there is a class on it at college, it just is.
So a higher precentage of strippers are dangerous then say soccer moms?

But it's a little like saying a group of people are drunks, like Russians or Irish, or Brits, those soccer hooligans, and so on.
Basically it's a stereo type that applies in general,
all groups of people drink too much, many in the group do not?
every family has at least one alcoholic.
If you live in a bad neighborhood are you more likely to become dangerous?
 women in the sex industry might be its own category because they are being very very abused and the horror they face in their lives creates a whole different structure?  
the way men view the sex industry and the women in it, not to mention the media and it's promotion of it, I think is one of the most graphic examples of prejudice in our society today.
it's a little like saying prejudice in Nazi Germany didn't lead to violence against Jews.
monkey see and monkey do.

[Anonymous]

the media blurs the lines between sex industry workers, who the media says are there to be abusively sexualized and who are stupid and barely human, so much that it has become one of the main ways the media portrays women.
Which really is dangerous, like I said, when people believe some prejudice they often act on it.
And if  media “stripper cultureâ€

[Covergaard]

sorry I yelled at you Covergaard,
i didn't know Abigail really was a stripper now.
with out knowing that,
i thought you were just calling her one which is pretty offensive.  

....

I'm simply saying that Abigail is still just a person
Right now I think she's in a bad place though, like she could die and it is certainly adding to the PTS, poor girl
I think that she is in a dangerous world and I hope she gets out ok!

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I think that she is focusing on her art again.

I have recently written about art with her on Myspace and the lasted pictures from her Europe trip do show a person who have matured. I regard her as a person who was caught up in a bad situation, which very little support from her home (divorce, sister with illness, living alone with her brother in their own house etc.).

So she went to PV, but they did not fix her. What would have fixed her without paying PV the money, would have been for her parents to forget their divorce problems in a hurry and set some boundaries. Parents, who have divorced need to set aside some of their own pains and stop using their children as tools in war against new partners (step-moms, step-dads).

Her mother used her as a tool and caused her father to leave his children in a house of their own just popping in from time to time. That is not parenting. In fact it is a case for the authorities and in Denmark close to a crime (neglect).

She would have made it in the same pace or even faster without PV, but with local counselling.

[Froderik]

oh come on :roll:
your average half dead desperate abused women or girl in a strip club has nothing to do with that  millionaire barbie doll who's breasts change size every few months.

Hey...shit...the point was that it was FUNNY... as in humor? Ok?

[Che Gookin]

The Southeast Asian sex industry, imo, is one of the most perverted and disturbing in the world. No shit there I was just the other day running through the rice fields of Ang Jung Ri about 3 or 4 kilometers from Camp Humphreys here in Korea when I turned a corner and found myself in a 5 square block red light district. This is a district of nothing but wall to wall prostitutes who stand in sliding glass doors trying to get customers.

Pretty bizarre shit and ironically that one area doesn't even really cater to American soldiers. The American GIs tend to go elsewhere as they will more than likely get caught by their own military police if they are found in that area. So what fuels the industry?

Koreans and other South East Asian immigrant workers.

If you go a few stops up from Camp Humphrey's on the number 1 train line to Songtan you will find the entertainment district right out front of Osan Airforce base. Same deal as Camp Humphreys a thriving sex industry has flourished. I hate going there as a posse of hookers nearly rapes you getting off the subway. About once a month I used to go to Songtan to practice learning Russian from a bartender at a bar called the Lion's Den. The girl that worked there told me some stories about the sex trade that are pretty rough.

One example was her own story. She only works at the Lion's Den because two air force boys bought out her contract. She used to work a few blocks down at another bar as a hooker/waitress. Turns out she was lured to Korea on the promise of a good paying modeling job. Once she got here she was beaten up and threatened with death if she didn't do what her pimp wanted her to do. The two Air Force dudes paid off her contract to the tune of like 4000 bucks and she went and got a job at the Lion's Den. Whatever arrangement she has with the Air Force guys she has never elaborated on and I'm hesitant to ask about it.

Her story is pretty common in Korea. Worst though are the girls from the Phillipines and other South East Asian countries. You see here in Korea if a Russian girl ends up dead in the gutter that might raise some questions. But a Fillipino or some other South East Asia girl would be considered racially inferior and as is such the Korean authorities wouldn't bother to much with investigating one of them showing up dead. For the Russian girls they normally manage to escape back to Russian. For the South East Asians they normally end up dead unless they can't find away to escape.

[Anonymous]

yeah it's scary
I wish people would wake up more just in general
it's amazing the police don't do more about it you know?
i don't know I really wonder if there are any sociology classes on it?
i've read articles about philipino women being told by companies that they are going overseas to work as maids.
this is also a common thing.  usually the women live with families and work for them, the women even pay the companies, only to find that once they are out of their countries that they have been sold to brothels.
there they are beaten into submission,
there was a special on TV about a Russian women in Turkey too.  
If I remember right she ran away and the cops turned her back over to her handlers.

it's hard in general when people won't face the facts.
I see so much good in this world, but there is a lot of horror too
nothing can get done when people don't recognize reality and where the danger is?
how can a society fix something when peoples attitudes are such that they wont even see it.
like strip clubs in the US
like it's all over TV, there are a few in every town
but people don’t recognize it for what it is.

I think this really applies to all areas of violence against women.
it's so unfair really, any area of women and sex is subject to sexual prejudice, even if, such as in the instance of rape, the women is completely not at fault.
we all have heard of women being stoned to death and such for being raped?
there are just these attitudes in people
that keep violence against women in place

I don't want to use my parents as an example but
they are a good one
they have very defined lines of sexual prejudice
things like, "What were you doing in the park alone"
at 2:30 in the afternoon, with my dog
I called them right away when I was attacked at my apartment, and they were really horrible, “we don't believe you? What did you do? How much money is this going to cost us. You have to get rid of your pets"  
This is to a women that was just attacked by a random terrifying stranger, this was the gist of the phone conversation right after.
you say give up the only creatures that you can depend on and really love?!  
their attitude was so bad i ended up not reporting the assault till later and they never caught the guy.
they made me feel like I had done something and yelled at me
they refuse to believe anything they don't want to
and will cut you off pretty abusively if you say something they don't like

For example, PV, I know what PV was like and have tried repeatedly to tell them, they refuse to believe me
they are so bad even as to make snide comments about Bi polar disorder and taking medication and so on.
like they haven't understood anything,
if i come back with print outs of peoples stories out of PV or other programs, or with the drug prescribing info, which tells you what is really in these drugs, or with the flier from my doctors office stating they can only accept FIVE visits from pharmaceutical representatives in one day.

I show them stuff about Bi polar disorder, like how it's a chemical imbalance problem and how the person has to show signs of real chemical depression and mania, neither of which i do.  And that the place, PV, that said I was Bi polar is completely corrupt, and that the drugs cause liver failure at 35 and tardive disease
and that according to the Adderall, which is an amphetamine, website 1 in 10 children have ADD!

it doesn't matter, it's a little like the sometimes racism that pops up when they hang around the country club too much
it has something to do with growing up in the 50's I think?

it's just horrible though, it's like trying to tell your family that the Nazis are really bad guys and having them cut you off and say I don't want to hear such negativity, and then having to listen to them swallow all the propaganda and sometimes turn it on you.
It makes one feel most insecure.

it's an apt comparison too, for anyone out of a program.
it's sometimes annoying when someone throws in Nazi references
but considering what these programs are like it applies
it also applies to the sex industry
there are bad people in the world and they are certainly in these two places

it's just horrible they won't believe me

[Froderik]

I've never really been into going to strip clubs...
I have good friends who like to partonize them though.
And sure, I've been to them, but it was always someone else's idea to go.
It's just not my thing...and never has been.
There's very little romance involved in a thing like that.

Notice I'm posting in the mokara line-for-line style.
(I figure I might as well post like this from now on when replying to one of your posts.)

I once went out with a girl who became a dominatrix / stripper while we were together.
We met on my front steps in the ghetto where I used to live, she was walking her dog.
He was a German shepherd she had named "Blue."
She was really hot, a black amazon, but kind of a bitch to deal with day-in day-out.
It got old after some months and we split up, and she moved somewhere else.
She was one hell of a woman though.. a great lay, with a good sense of humor.
I heard that she eventually got out of 'the industry.'
Good for her.