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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2005, 11:29:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-29 19:30:00, GregFL wrote:

"Helen Peterman was anything but the benevolent mother figure at the seed, this I can tell you. I have also heard stories but have no firsthand knowledge of what occured at Straight.



I have a very hard time believing LIFE was much different.



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I can atest to the fact that for most of 1989 the only time ms pete said BOO! was when someone acted out and attacked another phaser or caused such a horrible disturbance that staff couldnt handle it. i think maybe twice i saw her after my intake unless it was open meeting. so from the horrors most of you speak of LIfe(when i attended) was much different. and STEP was even farther away from the stories i have heard about GT and the seed etc. heck at step there was no such thing as a misbehaver! :grin:  
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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2005, 02:39:00 AM »
Nothing sicker than four guys renching your arms behind a church pew (LIFE PROGRAM style chairs)while whispering in your ear "we love you".
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2005, 06:56:00 AM »
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On 2005-01-29 09:53:00, Antigen wrote:

"I don't know about all that. The only contact I had w/ LIFE was going to school with a couple of girls from there and a 2 hour intake interview, which I walked away from.



In school, we weren't allowed to talk to them but they were allowed to talk to us. They were also allowed to wear makeup.



The intake was pretty much the same as a Straight intake, except that I was 18 and HRS and the local DA were hot on abusive practices in these programs at the time. I didn't know all that. I knew I was 18, though, and that I wasn't having any more of this shit.



I did get the feeling that they were a lot less brutal. More love bombing, less physical pain. But that doesn't mean that it wasn't a total mindfuck for those who did sign in. I have a hard time believing that Helen Peterman and George Ross somehow learned to treat substance abuse, quit accepting non addicted kids and quit being the berzerkers they were so prone to be when they worked at The Seed and/or Straight. They certainly took it on faith that I was an addict.


I'm guessing the girls you saw at school were 6th phasers or 7th steppers.  I can't remember at which phase you were allowed to wear makeup, or even put lotion on for that matter.

LIFE Definitely took it on faith that everyone was a druggie.  I certainly wasn't on drugs, and as I've said before, I spent more times trying to cover up my mother's habits.

There's is another post about Helen Peterman not saying "boo" unless you were misbehaving.  Well, I  guess I was misbehaving by keeping my mouth shut, and hiding behind my hair - usually crying.  Petermann would actually interrupt raps in progress to stand me up.

She storms in one day.  SARA _______ - STAND UP!
I was bewildered... I didn't do a damned thing outside of the ordinary.  Hell, I didn't do shit to wind up there in the first place, so I was a little bit afraid that someone was actually going to produce of few kilos of drugs by this time.

I stood there while she said things like "you think you're so smart / you think we don't know what you're doing / we know just what you're doing, and if you think you're going to get away with it, you'll go straight to Palms (Psych hospital we were all threatened with)"

For the life of me - I have no idea what I did.  She ended the "mini rap" by addressing the group "It's people like Sara that you have to look out for -  they look like librarians, but they're up to something"

I never did find out what brought that on.  At the time I was shocked that she would even find out I was singing a folk tune - "I Shall Be Released" in my head.  That didn't even constitute "rocking out"!

I also watched her pull hair on other kids.  This was not a nice woman.[ This Message was edited by: ~-=Sara=-~ on 2005-01-30 03:59 ][ This Message was edited by: ~-=Sara=-~ on 2005-01-30 04:01 ]
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2005, 07:44:00 AM »
Lots of kids CAME from "Palms" because their parents insurance money ran out.The first time I ever haloucinated was from drugs forced in me in Palms.In the Palms they would hold Kangaroo Court downstairs in a little room to "temporary court order" kids involuntarily in to LIFE.My HRS counciler (truency) told my parents about LIFE and the judge went along with it.
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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2005, 12:25:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-29 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nothing sicker than four guys renching your arms behind a church pew (LIFE PROGRAM style chairs)while whispering in your ear "we love you"."
:rofl: The "I love you " part got me! :lol:
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« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2005, 12:29:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-29 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nothing sicker than four guys renching your arms behind a church pew (LIFE PROGRAM style chairs)while whispering in your ear "we love you"."
why were your arms wrenched while they professed there love to you?
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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2005, 12:31:00 PM »
Part of the mindfuck of 'we're doing this for your own good because we love you'.  :roll:  Pretty fucking sick!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2005, 12:34:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-30 09:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-01-29 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Nothing sicker than four guys renching your arms behind a church pew (LIFE PROGRAM style chairs)while whispering in your ear "we love you"."

why were your arms wrenched while they professed there love to you?"


Damn, I really wish I could remember some names!  There was a guy who was always hanging on this one newcomer - I mean in a really suspect way... kinda like the way a guy would cuddle his significant other.  This was right in group - and no one questioned it.  It was creepy.  Poor newcomer kid was creeped out too, he always had this "someone help me" look on his face.

Good ol' program love...whether you want it or not!  :roll:
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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2005, 12:38:00 PM »
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"Nothing sicker than four guys renching your arms behind a church pew (LIFE PROGRAM style chairs)while whispering in your ear "we love you"."


why were your arms wrenched while they professed there love to you?"




Damn, I really wish I could remember some names!  There was a guy who was always hanging on this one newcomer - I mean in a really suspect way... kinda like the way a guy would cuddle his significant other.  This was right in group - and no one questioned it.  It was creepy.  Poor newcomer kid was creeped out too, he always had this "someone help me" look on his face.



Good ol' program love...whether you want it or not!  :roll:
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ewww! that means the program made every guy gay...just dont tell my wife! :roll:
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« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2005, 12:41:00 PM »
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ewww! that means the program made every guy gay...just dont tell my wife! :roll: "


Jumping to conclusions again?  

I just said it was creepy that this guys arms were all around the poor kid, when the kid didn't want them there.  Where did I say "gay"?

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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2005, 12:42:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-30 09:31:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:

"Part of the mindfuck of 'we're doing this for your own good because we love you'.  :roll:  Pretty fucking sick!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.
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I sat next to a couple  of restaints and i never heard them wisper"I love you"...it was more like...when are you gonna stop punching people for no reason you freak!
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« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2005, 12:43:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-30 09:31:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:

"Part of the mindfuck of 'we're doing this for your own good because we love you'.  :roll:  Pretty fucking sick!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.
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I sat next to a couple  of restraints and i never heard them wisper"I love you"...it was more like...when are you gonna stop punching people for no reason you freak!
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« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2005, 12:44:00 PM »
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ewww! that means the program made every guy gay...just dont tell my wife! :grin:
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« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2005, 12:47:00 PM »
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you implied it with your creepy statement...your gaydar was on! :grin:  "


What's creepy is being hung on and touched when you don't want to be.  Believe me, I'm quite heterosexual, but if some guy (aside from my beloved) started hanging on me, I'd feel compelled to deck him.
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« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2005, 12:51:00 PM »
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I sat next to a couple  of restraints and i never heard them wisper"I love you"...it was more like...when are you gonna stop punching people for no reason you freak! "


I heard that said to kids being restrained more than a few times.  And even the ones to whom that wasn't directly said, they got the message.  After they finally conformed they were bombarded with all the I love you's.  Dissension and critical thinking was met with humiliation and punishment, conformity was met with "love".

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