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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2004, 12:54:00 PM »
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there must be the surrendering to Christ as Lord, as well; and as a result good works naturally follow.


We are not saved by good works.  We are saved by faith in Christ. We are saved by what he did not what we do.  We are saved FOR good works.  Now if someone is not displaying good works...then maybe they never have been saved.
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2004, 01:16:00 PM »
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 We are saved by faith in Christ.


Says who?  Not everyone...most of the world, actually...does not believe this.  

I follow this thread because I'm interested in the good vibes from Paige's story.  Sorry that I have to wade through all this crap telling me what *I* need to do, etc.  I'm very glad I'm not incarcerated in a TBS with no recourse (such as a delete key) to block out that which I do not believe.  

Craig, I wish you'd re-title your rants so I could skip them.  You are really offensive, and in the wrong place to prosetelize.  This thread has to do with Amanda and her progress at home.
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2004, 01:26:00 PM »
Hey, back to the original story--how was Amanda extradited and who got her out? Obviously her MOm wanted to keep her there.
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2004, 05:39:00 PM »
` Not everyone...most of the world, actually...does not believe this.`

This is why the road to damnation is so wide.
Very little, if any of this debate is Craig. In fact it got started by a poster rebuking Craig; tho it may be a mistake to assume any post on this thread is his.  If you want to avoid any and all religious thought you should probably avoid any thread that invloves ALA.

'Hey, back to the original story--how was Amanda extradited and who got her out? Obviously her MOm wanted to keep her there. '

Why do you think so? Did you miss this post?

 `Thank you for your thoughts. Yes, it is of the upmost importance for all involved to heal and I feel that a mutual agreement is on the horizon.

Amanda will have many options as far as her schooling goes but at least now she is guaranteed and education.

Counseling will start soon to help all who wish to participate to bring the entire family back together again and with God's help all will heal and have wonderful lives.
May God bless you for your thoughts and prayers.`
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2004, 05:45:00 PM »
Amanda is doing well. Can't go into any details yet as to the why's and hows. We did meet with a legal team and got confirmation that we were completely within the law and that Amanda is safe and cannot be taken back. No one has heard anything from her parents at this time. I believe they are still on a family vacation. Though her parents do know where she is in accordance with the law. I am hoping that this will all be resolved without going to court and making a media mess out of this but you never know what is going to happen. I suppose at some point in time someone will hear from the parents.

She is doing well in school. We are arranging for some tests to see exactly where she is as far as her education goes and then we will decide on the best course of action for her to take. But for now she is content and happy to be in school and able to see her brother daily.

It is wonderful to see them together. They laugh and giggle like little kids and truly enjoy being around each other.

It is a shame that this situation came about the way it did. I feel very strongly that if they had let Amanda and her brother see each other regularly this may never have happened but it did so we are making the best of the situation and enjoying having her home.

She is a very bright, beautiful and talented young woman. Her artistic abilities have never been developed but will be now. She is extremely talented with drawing skills and design skills.

I am going to teach her how to work with stained glass and how to work with low fire clay. Now that she is home I can start my art business back up and she can work with me. The Galleries that have carried my art in the past must think I dropped off of the face of the earth.

In the past her brother has worked with me on designing and creating pieces, now we can do this all together.

Again thank you to everyone who has been following and supporting us in this difficult time.


Let me assure you Amanda is doing well and has a bright future in front of her. The details of the past few weeks will have to remain unwritten for now but at some time will be released.


However you may want to check some of the statutes of the state of Utah. They are very interesting when it comes to this subject.

I will dig them out and post the statute numbers so you can find them if you are interested.
We are looking forward to having a fun filled weekend. I will post again soon.
Best wishes to all.
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2004, 08:24:00 PM »
God love you BOTH! (And I know He does!)

I believe that this shows the 'real' interest that the parents have in Amanda:

"No one has heard anything from her parents at this time. I believe they are still on a family vacation."

Yet, Craig and those at ALA would try to lead the world to believe that she had the most wonderful and loving parents.

Honestly: If it wasn't for places like ALA who are so very willing to take a child from their family home - for a PRICE, of course - I do believe that many family problems could be resolved and TRUST could remain intact. Unfortunately, there are facilities who only care about the $$$ and because of thei "Hell and be damned" attitudes they REALLY don't care if a family EVER comes back together.

I'm sure that Hell is going to be full of those who DESTROYED FAMILIES for a PRICE!

I believe the operators of these types of facilities are on the same level as Judas Iscariot: I believe they would betray their own mothers if the price was right.

God be with you, Amanda and Paige. (And I know He is and will be.)
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2004, 11:49:00 PM »
Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. Psalm 68:4 KJV

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5:43 KJV

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.  Acts 4:12 KJV


We have a set of encyclopedias that we purchased over 20 years ago. When told that there was no letter "J" prior to the 16th century, we started wondering if was true and we went to that set of encyclopedias and this is what we discovered:

"J the 10th letter of the English alphabet. It originated in the ancient Semitic consonant "yod". Yod became the Greek vowel "iota" or "I". When the Romans adopted the alphabet, their letter I kept the Greek vowel sounds and in addition represented the consonant Y in early latin.  Later, in England, the letter I was given the additional sound of J.  Coming most often at the beginning of a word, where the letter most commonly extended below the line, the J sound became identified with the lengthened form of I. It was not until about the 16th century, however, that J was established as a separate letter.
  In English words J has only one sound, as in "jelly." In words adopted from other languages it may be pronounced as ZH, as in "jabot."

Could our Savior's name REALLY be "Jesus"? Could the name "Jehovah" REALLY be correct? Is the name found in Psalms, "Jah" really the TRUE name?

Of course not. And yet, Scripture warns "there is NONE OTHER name under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST be saved."

Scripture gives us this INVALUABLE clue as to our Savior's REAL name, for our Savior said, "I am come in my Father's name."

Psalm 68:4 tells us Our Heavenly Father's name - except for the fact that the letter "J" didn't exist when th is scripture was written: "Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him."

It is really quite easy to know God's REAL name. Most everybody has said praise in His real name and they don't even know it.

Anybody here ever said, "HalleluYAH?" (I understand that you don't see it spelled that way, but I'm wanting you to HEAR what you are saying so that you will KNOW - without ANY doubt that HIS NAME IS "YAH". HalleluYAH!!! Just as YAH says in Scripture many times to his chosen people, "HEAR, O Israel", we MUST do the SAME if we are to be saved.)

What is the name of our Savior - since we now KNOW that it is NOT "Jesus" - that it CAN'T be "Jesus"?

Since our Savior came in His Father's name, we know that it will contain His Father's name - YAH -within His own name.

Actually, our Savior's name is found in the book of Genesis, for the first time in Genesis 49:18. It IS the name of Salvation.

If you will look in a Strong's concordance under the Hebrew section, #03444, you will find our Savior's REAL name. It is "Yahshua." (pronounced YAH-shoo-ah).  

As you can see, our Savior did come in His Father's name, just as He said He did.

You now know the TRUTH. What are you going to do about it? Scripture warns us:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST be saved."

I KNOW His name. I PROCLAIM His name. I am SAVED in His name. I have received SALVATION in His name. For ALL OF THAT TRUTH, I MUST SAY, "HalleluYAH"!!!

When Scripture speaks of "The Word" now you REALLY know what it is. (By the way, "Yah" means EVERLASTING. "Yahshua" means EVERLASTING SALVATION. "HalleluYAH" (by HEARING) is a person proclaiming, "I have the Everlasting Bread of The Everlasting." What is that WONDROUS BREAD FROM HEAVEN - THAT MOST PERFECT MANNA? We all know that it is our SAVIOR - it is YAHSHUA. It is EVERLASTING SALVATION. That is why we are told to EAT of THAT BREAD. Isn't that BEAUTIFUL? HALLELUYAH!!!
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2004, 08:38:00 AM »
Church is gay.
Porn is better.

Back on topic.

Amanda is 17 right? Depending on the state in which you live she would be considered old enough to decide where she wants to live (even on her own). Although I do not know about Utah, that place is just one big fucking church.
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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2004, 12:11:00 PM »
Well Paige - I am floored.
I thought you guys must've talked her family into letting her stay with you - but you say you have not yet herd from her parents?? Sounds like you got a visit arranged and yanked her. And you are confident this is legal?
It sounds like you've set the stage for a huge bru ha ha in the courts; but I hope not. It would be a terrible thing to put her or any kid threw.
And with her already 17 - what's the point? Please do try and not let this cause a massive family split.
I do wish you ALL well - Really.
The art sounds great. If she has a gift for art you might suggest she consider a career in graphic art - a good graphic artist can do very well. I wish my two kids were self disciplined enough to pursue the field. Both are very gifted but unmotivated. My daughter is tattooing on the side. . . Amazing stuff. Never saw anyone achieve the kind of depth and detail she does in a tattoo.
As I said, I am floored. . . Concerned, but wishing you well.
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2004, 01:12:00 PM »
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On 2004-08-16 16:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sometimes Paige, God will give you what you want, just to show you that your will is not what is best.  However, just because you got what you think you wanted, don't deceive yourself into thinking that this was the Lord's will.  



In spite of the manipulation and continued lies, the Lord will work this situation out to His glory, in spite of the defiance displayed by you and other family members towards the girl's parents.  This is apparent from your writings.



God has allowed this for a reason.  nfortunately, the girl will probably have a lot of hard lessons to learn.  You have greatly contributed to the grief and pain she will no doubt experience in the years to come.  



You have taught her through this that it is ok to defy the authority over you, even though that is in direct contradiction to what the Bible teaches us.  



If you and the other family members involved truly loved the girl, as you claim you all do, you all would have done the right thing and supported the parents, not started smear campaign that has involved the unsaved.  



The Lord is not mocked.  He will reward you appropriately for your actions in this matter.  The Lord tells us to "Honor your parents".  By your actions and your writings, you have told the world via the internet, that God's commands do not matter to you and the other family members.  What a horrible legacy to leave behind.  



As far as her not attending public school, how awesome that her parents loved her enough to be willing to make the necessary sacrafices to allow the mom to home school the girl.  



How awesome that the mom loves the girl enough to be willing to spend so much time with her.  In this day and age where parents count down the days until school starts in the fall, the girl's mom chose to spend the time with her.  



The twisting and perverting of the truth in this matter is beyond comprehension.  Is this what you are teaching the girl's brother?  To bad mouth those who do not agree with you?  To be rebellious to authority?  The Lord is not pleased with a rebellious heart.  



This whole drama you have created is like the Emporers New Clothes.  All were fooled, except for one person who stood up and told the truth.  "



How true, how true, how true.
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« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2004, 04:55:00 PM »
It was posted:

"The Lord is not pleased with a rebellious heart."

NOT TRUE AS STATED - The TRUTH HAS BEEN TWISTED - AGAIN!!!

SCRIPTURE SAYS - AND THE LORD CHANGES NOT - WHAT WAS GOOD  IN HIS EYES YESTERDAY IS GOOD TODAY -

THUS SAYETH THE LORD:

Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not. Numbers 14:9

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. Hebrews 13:17

Paige PLAINLY said that she has acted within the law. Since that is the case, she has obeyed those who have rule over us in this country. She has NOT rebelled against The Lord - as already PROVEN THROUGH SCRIPTURE in past posts.

No wonder Scripture warns us:

"Take heed that no MAN deceive you."

Whomever is making these false SCRIPTURAL claims -and the ignorant fool who is agreeing with them -

WOE BE TO YOU BOTH! You are headed straight for HELL for misrepresenting God's Word in what clearly appears to be an unHoly attempt to DECEIVE people!

From where I'm sitting: If the person making those FALSE accusations against Paige have anything to do with Abundant Life Academy, then Amanda was removed NONE TO SOON! (Good thing Paige acted when she did!)
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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2004, 08:05:00 PM »
I just love all you anonymous assholes hiding behind your printed pages in a book instead of bothering to check out what might really be happening to those kids in those places.

Just because they're in a christian place does not mean they're safe. Just because they say they are chrsitian doesn't mean they ARE, and even if they are they can still be completely evil and corrupted.

If your god gives a damn I'm all ears, but I haven't heard shit. The only ones talking are all of you, and I wish you'd shut up.

You could find out the truth, yet chose not to even allow the possibility that the bad things being said could be true, so you would rather these places be kept isolated, secretive, and listen to them when they say what you want to hear, just like other program parents.

You make me sick.[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2004-08-20 17:06 ]
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

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« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2004, 08:58:00 PM »
I do understand your feelings for such places but maybe to keep those who support them away from this thread we should focus on the positive and be very happy that Amanda is home. She is truly one of the lucky ones. I do not know that any of these places will ever go away but I feel that the more attention they get and publicity they get showing the true conditions and what they are really like - the harder it will be for them to operate. There will always be parents who should be nuetered and not allowed to have kids but that is a totally different subject.

I am going to relish in the fact that Amanda is home safe - I can get some rest this weekend finally. All who have helped are relieved and happy and she can go on to have a good life.


At least she can take a shower now and have hot water. At dinner last night she said that she had eaten more in the last week since she has been home than she had eaten the whole time she was in Mexico.


She is getting emotionally stronger by the day and is sorry that she cannot help the girls who are still there. Maybe someday she can.
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2004, 09:06:00 PM »
Chris, isn't it? You write:
You could find out the truth, yet chose not to even allow the possibility that the bad things being said could be true, so you would rather these places be kept isolated, secretive, and listen to them when they say what you want to hear, just like other program parents~


As regards the place involved with this situation; what bad things are you referring too?
I am not aware of anything being alleged. There has been lots of guessing and conjecture, but as far as I know, nothing other than being a teen help program, which is Christian, has been alleged. The crime? Simply being a program; and in some eyes being Christian; or not, according to others.

There is nothing Isolated about ALA. Its in the middle of a town; not out in the jungle or 50 miles back some lonely stretch of road. It is not the kind of program that isolates the kids from everything and everybody. The kids use the phone and the computer and talk to family. You really don't need to be so upset about this.

Paige has said Amanda is fine - happy - and Yes, I know she means b/c she is now with her; but she Hasn't said, the kid looks awful; lost 25 pounds; gained 25 pounds; has broken bones or teeth. No doubt, there will be complaints; but they won't be like that.
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2004, 09:11:00 PM »
Paige slipped past me -
So - whats with this:
At least she can take a shower now and have hot water. At dinner last night she said that she had eaten more in the last week since she has been home than she had eaten the whole time she was in Mexico

This needs clairifing. Why was she not eating in MX? Did she not like the food, or was their not much of it, or what?
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