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« Reply #120 on: March 17, 2005, 01:56:00 PM »
Man, you seal up one hole and they start worming through somewhere else. Tx already has laws on the books that would prevent any school personel from diagnosing/demanding psych services and to prevent CPS from removing children if their parents do not acquire psych services.
Now this:

Texas House Bill 470 - which would implement the Presidents New Freedom Commission on Mental Health is literally being looked at in committee right now, today.

A quick update: this bill would allow the school systems to screen every child for mental illness in the school system like getting an eye exam,
without parental permission. This opens the door to dangerous mind-altering drugs being perscribed for any little life upset that we all go through.
Since drugs are much less expensive than talk therapy the drugs will be a first line treatment for these things. About every psychiatric drug has very dangerous side effects and the drugs effect every organ system in the body.
Many of these drugs have severe withdrawals, if the child can actually withdraw, that can include suicide and aggression for the antidepressants.
Lactating breasts for small boys and girls, diabetes, massive weight gain, and psychosis are some of the symptoms of many of the drugs used to treat mental disorders,. These are not safe treatments. This bill is extremely dangerous to our precious children, especially the gifted and unique children that will potentially be our leaders and artists in the future.

I ask that everyone in Texas make a point of calling the committe member's offices and voice your concerns for this bill, especially the mental
screening of children and implementing mental health services in the schools, this is strickly a duty of the parent, the one who knows thier
child best and not an function of the state. We have heard stories from all over Texas and the country where schools insist on drugging children against the parents wishs and call Child Protective Services when the parents will not comply. This opens the door to more of this.

Here is the bill :
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/79r/ ... 00470I.HTM
Here is the wording:

The Department of State Health Services shall ensure that local behavioral health service delivery systems further the following goals: (3)  making early behavioral health screening,
assessment, and referral to services a common practice by:
                  (A)  promoting the behavioral health of young children;
                  (B)  improving public school system behavioral health programs; and
                  (C)  screening for co-occurring mental and substance abuse disorders and treating persons with integrated treatment strategies. (b)  In providing assistance under Subsection (a) of this section, the Department of State Health Services shall examine and promote the solutions to challenges in the mental health care system that are identified by the President's New Freedom
Commission on Mental Health in its July 2003 final report.
Here are the committee members and phone numbers:

Rep Suzanna Hupp  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0684
Rep. Rob Eissler  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0797
Rep. John Davis  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0734 ***************Author of this bill
Rep. Alma Allen  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0744
Rep. Yvonne Gonzalez Toureilles  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0645
Rep. Toby Goodman  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0562
Rep. Elliott Naishtat  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0668
Rep. Ken Paxton  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0356
Rep. Elvira Reyna  Capitol Phone: (512) 463-0464
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« Reply #121 on: March 24, 2005, 12:34:00 PM »
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« Reply #122 on: April 04, 2005, 01:21:00 PM »
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/240305breeding.mp3

Alex Jones interviews Dr. John Breeding on the Latest Developments on the New Freedom Initiative: Government's Plan to turn our schools into psychotropic based
psychiatric "recruitment centers" and "brainwashing mental health clinics". This is called "The New Freedom Initiative"  This includes home-schoolers too.

This needs your action- contact your representatives to stop this insanity.

Re HB 470
Call John Divis 512-463-0734
Re SB 194
Call Jane Nelson 512-463-0112
Re SB 1703 Elliot Shepley
512-463-0219

SB 1703 states that teacher will be trained in 'early detection'- to be psych recruiters.
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« Reply #123 on: April 18, 2005, 11:59:00 PM »
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« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2005, 09:59:00 PM »
One of the best articles I've read against Teen Screen. Parents had best educate themselves!!

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Re ... ingle.html

Bush-backed drug marketing schemes
By Evelyn Pringle
Online Journal Contributing Writer

April 25, 2005-At an FDA hearing on the safety of psychotropic drugs on Feb 2, dozens of despondent parents testified that their children had committed suicide or other violent acts after being prescribed the same drugs that are being marketed in the Bush-backed pharmaceutical industry schemes aimed at recruiting the nations 52 million school children as customers.

In July 2003, the Bush appointed New Freedoms Commission on Mental Health (NFC) recommended screening all children for mental illness and designated TeenScreen as a model program to ensure that every student receives a mental health check-up before finishing high school.

The NFC also has a preferred drug program in place, modeled after the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), that lists what drugs are to be used on children found to be mentally ill.

The list contains every drug that people complained about at the FDA hearing, including Paxil, Zoloft, Celexa, Wellbutron, Zyban, Remeron, Serzone, Effexor, Buspar, Risperdal, Zyprexa, Seroqual, Geodone, Depakote,
Adderall, and Prozac.

There is little, if any, evidence that these drugs work on children but, nevertheless, an estimated 10 million children in the US are now taking these mind-altering drugs even though they have documented side-effects, including suicidal ideation, mania, psychosis, and future drug dependence.

According to a May 2003 report in The New York Times, national sales of anti-psychotics reached $6.4 billion in 2002, making them the fourth highest-selling class of drugs, which proves the drug companies are already making a killing by drugging our kids.

Experts Against Screening

Dr. Jane Orient is an internist and executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. She offered a few words to the wise in United Press International's "Outside View" on December 16, 2004.

In regard to TeenScreen, Orient says parents ought to be asking some very serious questions before the government experts interview the first child, such as:

What are the credentials of the screeners? What are the criteria for possible abnormality? What is the scientific validation? Will you be allowed to get a second opinion? Can you see the record and enter corrections if
indicated? Will the record at any point be destroyed, or will the stigma of a diagnosis such as "personality disorder" follow the child throughout life?

What will happen if your child fails the screen? What sort of treatment will be given? Who will supervise it? What if you don't approve of it?

Do drug companies expect to have a large number of new consumers of their psychoactive drugs? Who might profit from the program (perhaps discoverable by asking who lobbied for it)?

Bingo, right question, doctor. Who stands to profit?

In 2003, Medico Health Solutions reports that the use of behavioral drugs for children topped all other types of drugs at 17 percent of total spending. In the year 2003, market research firm IMS Health calculated worldwide sales of antidepressants at $19.5 billion, up 10 percent from the
year 2002.

Phyllis Schlafly, author of No Child Left Unmedicated, raises several valid questions. What are the rights of youth and parents to refuse or opt out of such screening? Will they face threats of removal from school, if they
refuse privacy-invading interrogations or medications? How will a child remove a stigmatizing label from his records?

Psychiatrist Peter Breggin, a court-qualified medical expert, and author of books, Talking Back to Prozac and The Anti-Depressant Fact Book, warns about the life-long damage a label of mental illness can cause.

"There is nothing worse that you can do to a human being in America today than give them a mental illness kind of label and tell them they need drugs, and these children are 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 years-old being treated in this manner," Breggin reports. "I then see them coming to me as adults saying I'd like to be a doctor but how can I when I have crossed wires in my head."

In a report, Allen Jones, former investigator Penn Office of Inspector General Bureau of Special Investigations, points out that there has been a 500 percent increase in children being prescribed drugs during the past six
years.

Jones says the NFC call for mandatory screening of all students, with follow-up treatment as required, translates into putting more kids on mind-altering and potentially lethal drugs.

"TeenScreen is purely and simply a marketing scam to sell psychotropic drugs," according anti-child drugging advocate Ken Kramer, "When they use 'even if we save one life' as an argument to arouse emotions in parents that truly care, they are lying," he warns.

Bush Promotes Dangerous Drugs

The truth is, with full support from Bush, the pharmaceutical industry is using TeenScreen as a vehicle to push dangerous drugs on children who in the eyes of many experts are already being overmedicated.

Despite the fact that SSRI antidepressants are banned for use in children in the UK and despite the FDA "black box" warning label now required on all SSRIs that the drugs increase suicidal thinking and behavior in kids, the
NFC not only recommends that the same drugs be prescribed to children, it promotes the very schemes that will increase the number of kids on these drugs in schools and other public institutions.

According to a report by the Florida Statewide Advocacy Council, posted on Ken Kramer's website [email protected], an investigation in Florida
found that of 1,180 kids in foster care, 652 were on one or more psychotropic drugs.

In Texas, Dr. John Breeding, an Austin psychologist, has seen cases where some foster children were placed on as many as 17 drugs and says drugs are being used as chemical restraints in Texas. He wants all SSRIs and neuroleptic drugs banned from use on children "The SSRIs are extremely
harmful and addictive; and can cause or exacerbate suicidal or homicidal tendencies; withdrawal is painful and dangerous," Breeding warns.

Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, the director of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, holds a doctorate in biological psychology, and is a specialist in the adverse reactions to SSRI medications. Tracy claims the whole
hypothesis of SSRIs is "backwards." She says the drugs increase serotonin while decreasing the metabolism of serotonin, especially in the 7 to 10 percent of the population that studies have shown don't have the proper
enzyme to metabolize SSRIs in the first place, according to the Aug 22, 2004 Desert Morning News.

Dr. Tracy can recite hundreds of horror stories involving violence by people taking the same drugs that TeenScreen is marketing to more children.

She told the Morning News about, "the professor on Prozac who bit her mother to death; the Stanford graduate on Paxil who stabbed herself in the kitchen while her parents slept; the mother who bludgeoned her son and then drank a can of Drano; and the 12-year-old girl who strangled herself with a bungee cord she attached to a plant hanger on the wall."

"Most of these drugs are not approved for children, but it doesn't stop doctors from prescribing them," Tracy points out.

Turning People Into Psychotic Murderers

Besides causing suicide, enough evidence now exists to prove that psychotropic drugs have played a major role in the senseless acts of violence by school-age children in this country in recent years.

Dr. Breggin, is against the use of psychotropic drugs in children, and has testified in civil and criminal cases numerous times about the link between SSRIs and suicide and other acts of violence.

On April 15, 2001, 16-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school in Washington State and held 23  classmates and a teacher hostage. Cory sat in jail for 14 months before finally being released, based on expert testimony by psychiatrists that his behavior was an adverse reaction to the drugs he was prescribed.

Cory has no memory of his actions at the school that day. Twenty-one days before the event, he had been taken off Paxil and prescribed a high dose of the drug Effexor.

Cory's father, Jay, told Insight News, "They always talk about how the kids who do these things are the ones who get picked on by the jocks and stuff, but Cory was a jock. He was on the varsity basketball team, played football and golf, and was very popular in school.

Jay wants the media to warn people about the dangers of putting kids on these drugs, "If Cory had been on PCP the media would say 'Oh, he needs drug rehabilitation,' but because these were prescribed medications they say 'Oh,
it can't be that,' but now we know it can be," he said.

"The morning that Cory went to school and did what he did, my wife and I just knew that it had to be something with the drugs," Jay reports. One of Cory's friends described the incident to Jay, "Cory was yelling and then he just stopped, looked down and saw the gun in his hand and woke up," he said.

Cory recently made an unlikely new friend in Colorado, when he met Columbine High School shooting victim, Mark Taylor, who is suing the manufacturer of the antidepressant that Eric Harris was on when he opened fire at Columbine.

Kelly Patricia O'Meara interviewed Mark Taylor, and recounted his description of the shooting incident in a report for Insight on Sept 2, 2002.

Taylor told Kelly, "I was sitting on a hill outside the school eating lunch with my best friend when Eric Harris came over and started shooting me." Taylor recalled, "I was shot between seven and 13 times. No one really knows the exact number because there were so many bullet tracks. Most of the bullets just went right through me. After I was shot I just lay there, playing dead, and could see others being shot."

It has never been revealed if Dylan Klebold was on any legal drugs at the time of the shootings, but an autopsy revealed that Harris was on the psychotropic drug Luvox, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI).

Taylor's attitude toward the teen who nearly killed him is surprising. He told O'Meara, "I'm suing Solvay because I believe that Eric Harris did what he did because of this drug."

Taylor's suit claims the drug made Harris manic and psychotic and, as a consultant in the suit, Dr. Tracy agrees. "All you have to do is read the Luvox package insert to see that Eric's actions were due to an adverse
reaction to this drug," she told Insight News, "Show me a drug anywhere that has listed mania and psychosis as frequent adverse reactions. That is what the insert says for Luvox. There is no doubt in my mind that Luvox caused
Eric Harris to commit these acts," she explained.

Gary Null & Associates of New York is filming a documentary called "The Drugging of Our Children," that will feature interviews with both Cory Baadsgaard and Mark Taylor, and will chronicle the long history of tragic events that have resulted from the use of these drugs on children.

A little known fact is that a few days before the Columbine tragedy, Eric Harris had been rejected by the Marine Corps, specifically because he was taking the drug Luvox.

In 2001, 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, shot five students and teachers at a California high school, while on the drugs Celexa and Effexor, and he too was rejected by the Navy one day before he went on his rampage, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.

In a letter to his mother, Hoffman said, "I want people to know that what happened was not the real me, I was just angry, maybe my medication. It was a fluke of the moment. The person was not the true Jason Hoffman," he wrote.

On Oct 29, 2001, Jason Hoffman killed himself by hanging from a vent screen in his jail cell, the Tribune reported.

Kip Kinkel was 15 on May 21, 1998, when he murdered his parents, and then went to Thurston High School in Springfield, Oregon, where he shot and killed two students and injured 22 more. Kinkel was on Ritalin and Prozac at
the time of the killings, even though Prozac was not approved for pediatric use.

Seven years after the senseless killings by Kinkel, on December 18, 2003, Eli Lilly sent letters to British healthcare providers, warning that Prozac was not recommended for any use in children.

Fourteen-year-old Elizabeth Bush was on antidepressants when she took a gun to school and wounded another student in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, in 2001.

Twelve-year-old Christopher Pittman was on Zoloft when he shot his grandparents and set their house on fire, and says his violence was caused by the drug. Before Zoloft, he had been on Paxil.

According to court records, the doctor who prescribed the drug to Christopher mentioned no problems in his medical notes. A few days before the murders, the doctor wrote: "Lots of energy. No plans to harm self. Not flying off the handle."

Christopher now sits in prison.

His father, Joe Pittman, testified about the effects of the drugs on his son at the FDA Hearing and read a letter Christopher wrote that described how he felt when he committed the murders, "Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show," he wrote. "You know what is going to happen but you can't do anything to stop it."

Dr. Tracy explains how this happens. SSRIs suppress "the REM state or dream state [of sleep] . . . These drugs allow a person to be awake but at any time they can slip into the REM state. This is why people often discuss how they couldn't tell the difference between the dream and reality. These drugs are horribly damaging to the entire system," she warns.

Even the people closest to Jeff Weise are at a loss to say what led to the deadly killing spree by Weise in Minnesota, where the 16-year-old shot his grandfather, his companion, and then went to the high school and shot five students, a teacher and a security guard before killing himself. According to school employee, Gayle Downwind, Weise was on Prozac at the time of the shootings.

Dr. Tracy has consulted on many cases where children engaged in violent behavior including a 15-year-old boy on Zoloft who shot and killed a woman and is serving life in prison; a 17-year-old boy on Paxil for three months who jumped off an overpass into the path of a trailer truck; a 14-year-old girl prescribed Paxil to deal with the suicide of her father (who was on Paxil before killing himself) drank Drano in a suicide attempt; and a 16-year-old boy on Paxil who stabbed a woman over 60 times, drove his car into a cement abutment in a failed suicide attempt, and is now serving life in prison.

"In each of these cases," Tracy told Insight News, "individuals close to them were shocked at the violent and destructive behavior because it was so out of character for them."

Courts Starting to Get It

Drug companies are finally starting to be held responsible for violent behavior associated with these drugs. A jury in Cheyenne, Wyoming, recently determined that Paxil "can cause some individuals to commit suicide and/or homicide." The jury decided Paxil caused Donald Schell to shoot his wife, daughter and granddaughter before killing himself after being on the drug only two days.

The jury allocated 80 percent of the fault to Paxil  drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline and awarded the surviving family members $8 million in damages.

On June 18, 2003, GlaxSmithKline issued a warning to British physicians against the use of Paxil in children, acknowledging failure of clinical trials "to demonstrate efficacy in major depressive disorders and doubling the rate of reported adverse events-including suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts-compared to placebo."

In Bismarck, North Dakota, 10 days after Ryan Ehlis began taking Adderall, he shot and killed his 5-week-old baby and then turned the gun on himself. He survived and was tried for the murder but was acquitted after the judge agreed with psychiatrists who testified that the murder resulted solely from a psychotic state caused by the drug.

In February 2005, Canadian regulators ordered Adderall off the market after the drug was linked to 20 sudden deaths and a dozen strokes. Of the 20 deaths, 14 were children.

There has been a lot written about the increase in teen violence and school shootings, but no one has identified a common denominator in the lives of these kids with one exception, the drugs. If we allow the Bush-backed marketing schemes to succeed in recruiting more kids as customers for these dangerous drugs, according to Tracy, we had better prepare for more of the same.

"We've got a nightmare on our hands with these drugs, an absolute nightmare," she warns, "We've got kids on these drugs that are ticking time bombs in every school in America."

"When all of this is over and we count up the dead, we're going to be in shock," she adds.

Evelyn Pringle is an investigative journalist focused on exposing government corruption.
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« Reply #125 on: May 01, 2005, 02:19:00 PM »
Maybe more sensitive babies are harmed by iron formula. My baby started on iron formula(similac with iron) while in ICU after being born, and stayed on it for 8 months until he started drinking regular whole milk. He never had constipation or diahrrea problems and never had any allergies. He had 3 ear infections by the time he was 4 yrs old. That was it. He hardly ever got sick. Was I just lucky?
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« Reply #126 on: June 05, 2005, 11:04:00 PM »
Hold on to your hat folks!  Word is getting out on TeenScreen!

http://www.illinoisfamily.org/news/cont ... sp?c=26057
Illinois Family Institute
Mental Health: teen screening and parental consent
6/3/2005 6:25:00 AM
By Rhonda Robinson
Excerpts:

As we have become more comfortable with the new "norm" our methods and ideology in dealing with it has also changed just as dramatically.

The way children's behavior is viewed has changed over the last several years. Rather than viewing behavior as something that should be controlled, shaped and modeled by parents, the trend is now to view behavior and ideas as symptoms of an unseen disorder--a disorder in need of professional intervention.

This view is becoming entrenched in Illinois as evidenced with the passage of the "Children's Mental Health Act of 2003" which Gov. Rod Blagojevich signed into law.

The law mandates that the state of Illinois develop a Children's Mental Health Plan "containing short-term and long-term recommendations to provide comprehensive, coordinated mental health prevention, early intervention, and treatment services for children from birth through age 18."

Lawmakers didn't read bill
As the preliminary plan was unveiled last year, it drew attention around the nation. Illinois lawmakers on both sides of the aisle got a good look at the monstrous bureaucracy they had just created; many admitted that they had not even read the bill, believing it was no more than a warm-fuzzy, feel-good bill with no real impact or funding.

State Rep. Patti Bellock (R-Wheaton), a co-sponsor of the original legislation and member of the Illinois Children's Mental Health Partnership (ICMHP), admitted that her responsibilities in Springfield had prevented her from attending Partnership meetings, and so she was caught by surprise at the scope and reach of the ICMHP's Preliminary Plan as set forth last summer.

Bellock said she had "serious reservations" about the way the Partnership had translated the intent of the legislation.

New mental health bureaucracy
As did many parents, and industry watchers around the nation. However, the Illinois Children's Mental Health Partnership has been given unprecedented authority as it holds the "responsibility of developing and monitoring the implementation of the Children's Mental Health Plan as approved by the Governor."

"Approved by the Governor" also translates as "answers only to the Governor." Shock and dismay aside, the ICMHP plan is going forth without opposition.

Citing healthy social and emotional development as an essential underpinning to school readiness, academic success, and health, the ICMHP's "Strategic Plan for Building a Comprehensive Children's Mental Health System in Illinois" with a "phased in approach" has a vision for children's mental health that, "Starts early, beginning prenatally and at birth, and continues throughout adolescence including efforts to support adolescents in making the transition to young adulthood."

The Governor's Strategic Plan goes far beyond what any other state has attempted, and targets the mentally ill.

No. Wait. All Illinois children, that's right.

Illinois: Brave New State?
Prevention, early intervention and treatment for all children, reaching into the womb with prenatal screening, birth to age 18 and youth age 19-21 through pre-natal check ups, well-baby check-ups, and school physicals.

"Prevention, early intervention and treatment." Herein is the essence of an entire movement that is emerging, with Illinois racing ahead, striving to "lead the nation" in mental health, sweeping aside parental authority, and placing our children's emotional growth to be scrutinized by state sanctioned and newly trained "workforce."

The national model for prevention and early intervention in adolescence is the Columbia University TeenScreen Program. This is being pomoted as a mental health and suicide prevention tool with the goal of offering mental health checkups to every teenager in America.

Beginning with "Demographics," TeenScreen asks if a student is male or female, about race, "who spent the most time taking care of you" and questions whether or not you have seen a dentist for a toothache.

TeenScreen's leading questions
Under the heading of "Social Phobia TeenScreen", TeenScreen asks a series of questions that begin with "In the last three months...Have you:

a.. "often felt very nervous or uncomfortable when you have been with a group of children or young people- say, like in the lunchroom at school or at a party?"

a.. "often felt very nervous when you've had to do things in front of people?"

a.. "often worried a lot before you were going to play a sport or a game or do some other activity?"

Suicide queries and more
TeenScreen asks the same type of lead-in questions about depression and even suicide:

"In the last three months ... has there:

a.. "been a time when nothing was fun for you and you just weren't interested in anything?"

a.. "been a time you had less energy than you usually do?"

a.. "been a time when you felt you couldn't do anything well or that your weren't as good-looking or as smart as other people?"

a.. "been a time when you thought seriously about killing yourself?"

Can you see the danger in this line of questioning: asking teens about suicide can plant that idea in the impressionable minds of the less stable students who might then be more likely to view it as an option.

Moreover, consider the context: the TeenScreen survey, having just stirred up students' thoughts and emotions about their inadequacies and insecurities, then proceeds to discuss, of all things, suicide.

TeenScreen also asks questions about how often students were not able to do things or go places with their family or people their own age because of the way they felt or acted.

These questions along with the entire TeenScreen carry a disclaimer as not being a diagnostic tool, but a screening tool, for prevention and early intervention. Nevertheless, answering 'yes' to the suicide question can set the wheels of the mental health bureaucracy in motion, as parents have learned in Texas.

"Early screening" nightmare: Aliah Gleason
The poster child for early intervention should be 13-year-old Aliah Gleason, who is described in an article by Rob Waters in (the liberal magazine) Mother Jones as a "lively girl with a round face, a quick wit, and a sharp tongue."

**Read the rest of Aliah's story at the link above and here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#96104

Indiana: parents take action
Aliah is not an isolated case; similar stories are coming from our neighbors to the east in Indiana, where concerned parents resorted to taking out a newspaper ad asking parents to show up at the next school meeting to stop the "TeenScreen" survey with its suicide questions: click HERE.

Why should we not file Aliah's story in the "Oh, how sad, glad it's not me" file and forget it?

Because here in Illinois, we have a new vision for "prevention, early intervention, and treatment services for children."

While parents in Texas have just won a major battle for their rights and protection by thwarting screening and treatment measures similar to our plans, we on the other hand will have a final strategic plan on the Governor's desk June 30th.

"Passive consent"?
As it stands now, if a parent does not sign an "opt-out" letter to the school, consent for screening is implied, whereby "passive consent" is given.

"Passive consent" will take all the bliss out of ignorance, and turn those wadded up school papers at the bottom of your child's book bag into one of the last shreds of your parental authority.

We must repeal the Children's Mental Health Act of 2003. Stay tuned.
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« Reply #127 on: June 05, 2005, 11:57:00 PM »
Definitely not the wrong board! It is part of the bigger problem, programs are just one tangent of a larger societal problem.
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Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness
« Reply #128 on: June 07, 2005, 01:41:00 PM »
Another thread on this issue was started here:
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Vaccines good or bad?
« Reply #129 on: October 29, 2006, 04:51:46 PM »
A book to read: Immunization - The Reality Behind the Myth
by Walene James (1995 revised and updated edition - or newer version is availabe).
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NAMI Responds to Attacks on Mental Health Screening
« Reply #130 on: November 13, 2006, 04:07:53 PM »
NAMI Responds to Attacks on Mental Health Screening
and President Bush?s New Freedom Commission Report

NAMI is extremely pleased that Goal 4 of President Bush?s New Freedom Commission report (NFC) on mental health calls for mental health screening.  Here is the goal and recommendations:

Goal 4   Early Mental Health Screening, Assessment, and
Referral to Services Are Common Practice.

Recommendations   
4.1   Promote the mental health of young children.
4.2   Improve and expand school mental health programs.
4.3   Screening for co-occurring mental and substance use disorders and link with integrated treatment strategies.
4.4   Screen for mental disorders in primary health care, across the life span, and connect to treatment and supports.

 
The NFC report identified the Columbia University TeenScreen Program as a model program.  The TeenScreen program is designed to identify youth that may be at risk for suicide or suffering from an untreated mental illness and links those youth with a mental health professional for an appropriate evaluation.  

The release of the NFC report resulted in some groups attacking Goal 4 of the report and the TeenScreen program.  The groups that have organized these attacks have attacked psychiatry for years.  They are using gross distortions about the TeenScreen program and the NFC report to build support in opposition to screening.

Why is mental health screening so important?
To date, our nation has failed to identify the overwhelming majority of children and adolescents living with mental illnesses.  
?   4,000,000 children and adolescents in this country suffer from a serious mental illness that significantly impairs their functioning at home, school, and with peers.  
?   21% of our nation?s children have a diagnosable mental or addictive disorder that causes at least minimal impairment in their lives.
?   Alarmingly, in any given year, only 20% of children and adolescents with mental illnesses are identified and receive services, leaving the other 80% behind.
?   Research shows that early identification and intervention minimizes the long-term disability of mental illnesses.

What are the most serious consequences of untreated mental illnesses in children and adolescents?
?   Suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death in youth aged 15 to 24.  More teens and young adults die from suicide than from cancer, heart disease, AIDS, birth defects, stroke, pneumonia, influenza, and chronic lung disease combined.
?   Research shows that over 90% of youth who commit suicide have a mental illness.
?   School failure ? approximately 50% of students with a mental illness age 14 and older drop out of high school, the highest drop out rate of any disability group.
?   Locking youth up ? an alarming 65% of boys and 75% of girls in juvenile detention have at least one psychiatric disorder.

What are the anti-screening and anti-psychiatry groups saying about TeenScreen and the NFC report?
These groups claim that the federal government is calling for mandatory, universal mental health screening without parental consent of all of our nation?s children.   These groups claim that screening leads to labeling children and forcing them onto medications.  They also claim a conspiracy between the Bush administration, organized psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry to get as many children as possible onto psychotropic medications.  They claim that the TeenScreen program does not require parental consent, leads to children being inappropriately diagnosed and results in children improperly being placed on psychotropic medications.  These campaigns of misinformation are designed to stir up fear, confusion and outrage.  They certainly drive up stigma.  

What is the truth about the TeenScreen program and Goal 4 of the NFC report?
No one is calling for mandatory mental health screening without parental consent.  Not the TeenScreen program, not President Bush, not the NFC report, not mental health advocates ? no one.  And, a simple reading of the NFC report makes that fact clear.  In fact, the report calls for parental involvement and collaboration in screening and early identification.  Here are several quotes from Goal 4 of the report:

?Clearly, school mental health programs must provide any screening or treatment services with full attention to the confidentiality and privacy of children and families.?  (pg. 62)

?The Commission recommends that Federal, State, and local child-serving agencies fully recognize and address the mental health needs of youth in the education system.  They can work collaboratively with families to develop, evaluate, and disseminate effective approaches for providing mental health services and supports to youth in schools along a critical continuum of care.  This continuum includes education and training, prevention, early identification, early intervention, and treatment. ?  (pg. 62)

Fulfilling the promise of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 in helping all children to achieve their full potential by ? ?working with parents, local providers, and local agencies to support screening, assessment, and early intervention ?? (pg. 62)

Contrary to the claims of those attacking the TeenScreen program, the TeenScreen program requires parental consent and teen assent to participate before any screening can be done.  It does not provide a diagnosis nor does the screening result in a child receiving psychotropic medication.  Instead, it identifies teens that may be at risk and works with the family to link them with a mental health professional for an evaluation.

June 2006
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« Reply #131 on: November 13, 2006, 04:57:38 PM »
Statehood or Parenthood
Saturday, November 11, 2006
Indiana Mental Health
Monica Boyer, President of the Indiana Childcare Association, Licensed Home Daycare Provider and mother of four gave testimony to Indiana legislators regarding the Indiana Children's Mental Health Plan.

...My concern about government involvement in mental health screening of our children is taking the power of a parent's right to make choices and supervise their child's social and emotional well being and giving this power to state agencies with little regard to the family.

As a parent of 4 children, I take on the responsibility to protect and promote my child's health, both physical and mental wellness. Should I feel one of my children were in need because of a possible mental disorder, I would research my options, participate in ongoing clinical assessments, and demand second opinions should they be needed. SEA529 does not address each individual family needs!

Watch the video of her testimony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcd7-z3SriA

Monica tells what happened...

We have the battle of a lifetime ahead of us that I don't think any of us are prepared to fight. It can't be won by us, that I do know. The minute I walked into that room yesterday, I knew we were in for it.

Let me start by telling you what happened even before the meeting began. When I walked in the room, it was filled with people in black business suites, all strategically placing themselves in the "right" spots. You could hear whispers all around.

This old man walks in who couldn't hear well, and sat next to a couple. This couple was very nice to him, and introduced themselves and asked him why he was there. Since he could not hear, he talked very loudly, and explained to this couple he was there for his 6 year old grandson who was going to receive a mental health test from his school.

He said it was required, and he was angry that the government was allowed to do this. He pulls out all of his research. (This man was prepared.) He told them of the law, and what the state plans to do. Everything he said was correct. Well, the vultures took over.

They introduced themselves as being from NAMI (National Association for Mental Illness). They talked to him like he was a child and called him everything but a crazy old man! They told him he did not know what he was talking about the state was not going to test his child. It was aweful. But he stood his ground.

The things I heard in different conversations, made my blood boil. I overheard one conversation, with 2 mental professionals talking about people being admitted into a mental hospital being a good thing and how they would have a good quality of life even if they were in the hospital for the rest of their lives, and how their relatives needed to realize that. This was all before the meeting even started.

Once it began, it was an ambush. There was one representative that stood for our families. One. She stood alone. Everything else was a formality, but a setup. I found out it had all been pre-planned.

Phone calls had been made prior to the meeting, to set up Rep Noe. Representative Noe, informed the committee of her reservations to push this plan forward, because of the uprising in the north, (11,000 signatures) articles that have been written, voter guides that have been printed with 80 legislators saying they do not support Mandatory Mental Health Testing, she pled her case, and simply asked that the rule making be put off for a year so that the Legislators could take a second look at the plan before they acted.

When she said that... There was a buzzing around of all the people, Representative Brown was clearly out of order, and it got dirty. They told Cindy there was no reason to hold back the rule making process, and they demanded to place another motion on the table. The meeting went to recess, and the opposition started handing out pieces of paper.

I overheard a phone conversation from a Mental Health Representative that said. "NAMI has it on the table, it's done." The woman who wanted to make a motion, was being coached by Senator Vi Simpson, and others from NAMI, and at 5:00 p.m., it was over.

The final outcome of the meeting was that the commission agreed to the concept of the Indiana Children's mental health plan, that they don't support Universal screening, and that they will be there to make recommendations for the rule makers.

All protection from our Legislators (to give them a second chance to look at it) was removed -- and the plan moves forward. They've got our children. I had my 9-year-old son with me, and I looked at him, and my heart sunk. I felt like I had just handed him over to the state on a silver platter. I can't describe that feeling to you.

What people need to understand is while it says they do not support Universal Screening, there are 3 other plans they have in place to back up and enforce Universal Screening. So they just use that language as a band aide to make sure they don't have a parent uprising. It's a ploy.

What I saw yesterday was a wake up call for me. This plan to take our kids is bigger than we are. These people really believe they have the best interest for our children. These 17 people made a decision yesterday that could affect the rest of our lives, and no one even knows.

Related Articles and Information

Indiana Mental Health Plan moves forward, following in Illinois footsteps
A mental health screening plan stating all Indiana children from birth to 22 years ?shall? be screened survived the 11-1 vote yesterday.  The comprehensive plan was part of a law that was passed last year to reorganize all facets of services the state provides to children.  
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illin ... ntal_.html

Indiana Citizens Revolt Against Children's Mental Health Plan
The Indiana plan wants all Indiana children tested for mental health "as a part of routine examinations in schools and by health care providers." [Senate Enrolled Act 529]...
The state of Indiana, as in Illinois, has set itself up as the arbiter of what is "normal". This alarms many parents who have some sense that psychiatry has been hijacked by special interest groups who aren't relying on science at all, but rather, are pushing political agendas.
TeenScreen, for example, which will be part of this plan, has a false positive rate of 84%, an outrageous outcome that would disqualify any other program. Mental health pushers, however, are undeterred.
http://www.edwatch.org/updates06/092206-IN.htm

Indiana Consortium for Mental Health Services Research
http://www.indiana.edu/~icmhsr/
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« Reply #132 on: November 13, 2006, 10:40:12 PM »
I am mentally abnormal, does that make me a bad person?
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Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness
« Reply #133 on: August 19, 2008, 11:41:39 AM »
TMAP - Texas Medication Algorithm Project (algorithm - guideline) was
created by various pharmaceutical companies working in concert. These
companies recommended and helped implement a scam where Texas was to pay
for the most expensive new antipsychotics, Abilify, Geodon, Risperdal,
Seroqul and Zyprexa over the older cheaper antipsychotics. The TMAP
scam was exported to many other states.

A 2005 study by the federal government's National Institute of Mental
Health showed that these new antipsychotic drugs, which cost roughly 10
times more than the older drugs, performed no better and had just as
many side effects.

The below Texas article describes how CMAP - The Child version of TMAP
has been suspended over fears that government Medicaid programs have
been influenced by pharmaceutical companies.

Letters to the editor here:
<http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/lettertoed.cgi>
http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/lettertoed.cgi

The Dallas Morning News
MEDICATION PROTOCOL
August 18, 2008
By EMILY RAMSHAW

AUSTIN - A state mental health plan naming the preferred psychiatric
drugs for children has been quietly put on hold over fears drug
companies may have given researchers consulting contracts, speakers fees
or other perks to help get their products on the list.

The Children's Medication Algorithm Project, or CMAP, was supposed to
determine which psychiatric drugs were most effective for children and
in what order they should be tried at state-funded mental health
centers. In April, high-ranking state health officials gave researchers
the go-ahead to roll out the guidelines.

A month later, the officials delayed the protocol, after Texas Attorney
General Greg Abbott's office objected to it.

At most, the suspension indicates that state investigators fear fraud
has occurred. At the least, it reflects nationwide unease with potential
conflicts of interest between leading medical researchers and the
pharmaceutical firms that fund much of their work.

Publicly, officials say it's because the state is suing a pharmaceutical
company alleged to have used false advertising and improper influence to
get its drugs on Texas' now-mandatory adult protocol, the Texas
Medication Algorithm Project.

Privately, individuals with knowledge of the case - who spoke only on
condition of anonymity because of the pending litigation - say the
attorney general's investigation of possible fraud in the adult protocol
has spread to the children's version.

There's no way to know exactly what authorities are investigating. But
their probe into the adult protocol turned up allegations of drug
companies paying researchers who worked on the adult protocol speaking
fees, and footing the bill for trips to market the Texas program.

The researchers who designed the children's protocol, who are not
parties to the lawsuit over the adult drug program, insist they are
motivated only by children's health. No evidence has emerged to disprove
that; many have dedicated their careers to advancing child psychiatry.

And grants and consulting fees from drug companies are legal and
increasingly common, despite fears that they may influence doctors'
prescription habits. In the last quarter-century, drug makers have
replaced the federal government as the nation's main source of research
funding, even though some studies suggest this money affects the outcome
of clinical trials.

At least four of CMAP's key developers - all affiliated with the
University of Texas system, and all of them published child psychiatry
experts - have received research funding from drug companies, or have
been consultants and speakers for several different pharmaceutical
firms, according to their own published papers and financial disclosure
forms filed with the university. Drugs made by some of these
manufacturers appear in the children's drug protocol.

The doctors say there's no room for improper influence when their
reputations are at stake. If the drugs weren't effective, they wouldn't
endorse them - and the research they conducted to craft CMAP wouldn't
have been published in prestigious medical journals.

"When you really look at the investigators involved and the procedures
they followed, they were all within what has been defined as appropriate
in every medical field," said Dr. Steven Shon, who led the effort to
create the adult drug list, and was forced to resign in 2006 over
allegations he was improperly influenced by a drug company, according to
previously published reports. "To block access to this protocol is
really hurting the people who need it most."

Dr. Graham Emslie, a UT-Southwestern psychiatry expert, said he never
once witnessed improper influence from drug companies while he helped
conduct CMAP research. "There's much more influence relative to
day-to-day prescribing" of drugs than there is doing university research
or designing a protocol, he said.

At stake is the psychiatric care of tens of thousands of children
treated at state and community mental health centers across Texas - many
of whom are covered by Medicaid and don't have access to private health
care. Without the protocol, experts say, these children will continue to
be treated by individual doctors who have their own personal influences.

"This attack is causing us to go back to the system we had before, with
individual doctors who may have individual influence, instead of using a
standardized protocol," said Aaryce Hayes, a mental health policy
specialist with Advocacy, Inc.

The News' investigation into the doctors prescribing psychiatric drugs
to children in state foster care has found that many doctors received
money from pharmaceutical companies, for tasks such as running clinical
trials and consulting.

Most states don't require doctors to report such financial arrangements
with drug companies. The few that do have found some evidence their work
was affected, including doctors with drug company connections writing
more prescriptions for children.

About the protocols

Drug protocols are designed to ensure all patients with a particular
diagnosis receive the most effective, proven treatment available.
They're created by bringing together academics, researchers and public
health experts, who run trials, compare best practices and recommend a
road map, or algorithm, for which drugs should be used.

While the protocols are generally created with the best intentions, they
can be controversial, particularly when drug companies have a hand in
designing them.

Some lawmakers and activists say it's time the state took a close look
at the financial motivations of experts making drug decisions for
hundreds of thousands of Texans. The adult protocol determines treatment
decisions in state mental health facilities, despite the lawsuit and
studies that have played down the benefits of some of the drugs chosen
for it.

"In our country, there's been a switch from taking care of people to
focusing on big corporate money," said Rep. Juan Escobar, D-Kingsville,
who unsuccessfully offered legislation last year that would have banned
researchers or government employees funded by the pharmaceutical
industry from designing state psychiatric drug protocols. "There need to
be restrictions on how these things are done, because the victims are
our children."

State health officials and the attorney general's office refused to
comment on either the adult or child drug protocols or on the formal
letter the office sent ordering that CMAP not be rolled out. The News
found no evidence that any particular drug companies had been pulled
into the Medicaid fraud investigation into CMAP.

The CMAP research wasn't funded by drug companies, but most of the
country's renowned scientists have used industry money for their work.
Without the private dollars, which are more readily available than
government grants, many pharmaceutical advances would be drastically
delayed, researchers contend.

The flip side is that the scientists conducting the research become
familiar with and invested in the drugs, making them, in effect, some of
the pharmaceutical firms' best salespeople.

Some universities, like UT, require that their researchers fill out
extensive financial disclosure forms, and document every case where they
conduct research on drugs manufactured by a company they consult for.
Most of the CMAP researchers appear to have complied with these
guidelines.

But many of the nation's researchers must do little more than disclose
their relationships in fine print at the bottom of their published
papers. There's no way to verify these disclosures are accurate; in all
but a handful of states, drug companies aren't required to reveal their
payments.

Last month, Sen. Charles Grassley revealed that three Harvard psychiatry
experts whose research contributed to the explosion of antipsychotic use
in children had failed to report a combined $3.2 million in drug company
consulting fees to the university, a violation of Harvard's rules.

Mr. Grassley, R-Iowa, has proposed legislation to force drug companies
to disclose their payments to physicians. But he faces an uphill battle.
In 2007, drug companies spent an industry record - $168 million -
lobbying lawmakers on Capitol Hill, according to a Center for Public
Integrity study. That's up more than 30 percent from 2006.

Patricia Ohlendorf, UT-Austin's vice president for legal affairs, said
several university system researchers, including the head of UT's
pharmacy college, M. Lynn Crismon, have been asked to give depositions
for the lawsuit over the adult protocol. They are not named in the civil
suit.

Dr. Crismon, who led the effort to create the children's protocol and
has received research or consulting dollars from at least 10 different
drug manufacturers, according to his published papers, said he was "not
at liberty" to comment on the drug protocol or the lawsuit.

Last month, an e-mail sent to some employees at the Department of State
Health Services indicated that "all CMAP activities" were to be "removed
from the UT College of Pharmacy" - where Dr. Crismon and a key piece of
the roll-out program were centered.

An official close to CMAP said that within the last month, investigators
from the attorney general's office seized hard drives from state health
offices and questioned employees. That has not happened at UT, Ms.
Ohlendorf said.

The adult protocol

Texas' adult-drug protocol, spearheaded in the mid-1990s, aimed to
provide better and more consistent treatment to adult patients in state
mental health facilities. The plan was designed and tested by a team of
university researchers, state government experts and mental health
advocates, and a presidential mental health commission lauded it in 2004
as a model for the nation.

But there were criticisms from the start by clinicians who feared the
protocol would override their judgment and Scientologists opposed to all
use of drugs for psychiatric care. And its research funding from 11
pharmaceutical companies prompted allegations of improper influence
after several cutting-edge, high-dollar drugs were chosen over
traditional generics.

Most researchers involved in the protocol, many of whom also conducted
research for the children's version, declined to comment for this
report. But privately, they say their financial relationships with drug
companies didn't cloud their judgment. While the newer drugs were
costly, the researchers believe they are better and that they should be
available for people in state care, not just for those with private
insurance.

State lawmakers moved forward with the adult protocol, using it in state
psychiatric hospitals and community mental health facilities. Texas
researchers were shuttled across the nation to give drug company-hosted
lectures about the protocol's merits, according to previous newspaper
reports and allegations in the state lawsuit. Within years, 16 other
states were using similar protocols, and Texas was designing its own for
children.

But as new research about the drugs chosen for the protocol emerged,
questions resurfaced. A 2005 study by the federal government's National
Institute of Mental Health showed the new antipsychotic drugs, which
cost roughly 10 times more than the traditional drugs, performed no
better and had nearly as many side effects.

"Taken as a whole," the report notes, "the newer medications have no
substantial advantage over the older medication."

A year later, a British national study mirrored those findings.

Meanwhile, a Pennsylvania official became an unlikely whistle-blower
when he discovered the state's chief pharmacist - who was designing a
drug plan based on Texas' protocol - was reportedly on the payroll for a
drug company, according to previously published news reports.

Allen Jones' bosses in the Pennsylvania inspector general's office told
him to lay off, Mr. Jones alleges, and when he didn't, he was fired. Mr.
Jones traced the pharmaceutical influence all the way back to the TMAP
protocol, filing a whistle-blower lawsuit in Texas that quickly caught
the eye of state authorities.

Mr. Jones could not be reached for comment. His Dallas-based attorney
did not return phone calls.

Not long after, Dr. Shon, then the medical director for the Department
of State Health Services, was ousted over allegations the pharmaceutical
company Janssen improperly influenced him to include its schizophrenia
drug in the protocol, according to previous news reports and the TMAP
lawsuit.

Dr. Shon was accused of accepting consulting money from the company -
income he says was unrelated to his work for the state - and of taking
dozens of trips underwritten by drug companies to promote the protocol.

In 2006, the Texas attorney general's office joined Mr. Jones' lawsuit,
accusing Janssen of concealing the risks and exaggerating the benefits
of the drug, Risperdal, and of trying to persuade researchers with
"trips, perks, travel expenses, honoraria and other payments." As a
result, the state says, the protocol includes high-priced drugs instead
of cheaper generics, which costs Texas' Medicaid program more money.

Executives with Janssen did not return repeated phone calls. In court
papers filed in Travis County, the drug company denied any wrongdoing,
calling Mr. Jones an "opportunistic 'late-comer' " who had "at best,
only secondhand knowledge of the alleged fraud."

Dr. Shon, who retired to Las Vegas, says for every speaking engagement
where he represented the state of Texas, he gave the payment he received
to the state. Over the course of 15 years, he said, he probably earned
less than $15,000 from private consulting gigs with drug companies -
jobs that weren't related to his state position.

"They were done on my own time, and they followed all the guidelines,"
he said. "In terms of what I've been involved with, I haven't seen
anybody paid by the industry to promote a product."

Link here:
<http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories
/DN-cmap_18tex.ART.State.Edition2.4d6163c.html>
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... t/stories/
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Re: Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness
« Reply #134 on: August 19, 2008, 03:12:58 PM »
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Ha, then a lotta yous should be worried!  :D

Seriously though, it's ironic that Bush wants to screen the nation for something so intrinsic to himself; kind of like Hitler (rumored to be part Jewish) persecuting millions of Jews...eh?
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