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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2003, 06:45:00 PM »
Maybe what you say is true, I don't know.  As a recent graduate I know  Elan is not like that any more.  Marty is one of the most repected people on campus now.  It is an honor to have him run a group for you or take you on a walk.  I have heard stories that things were different back then.  But I feel it is an injustice not to state how it is today.
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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2003, 06:48:00 PM »
I AM STRONG THOUGH I WILL BE SO TOGETHER .DAVID ELDERD MAKES ME TO THIS DAY FUCKED UP!HE DID A NUMBER ON ME.
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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2003, 06:55:00 PM »
It's funny though at 14 years old I wa sitting on the floor eating and,he walked up to me and said,you seem content?I said I am,I'm use to it!Really? pack your trunk your out of here.That was hell on earth it's 7 at night and I started this shit this morning.I never went to deep and fuck you who say I am sniviling fuck you big time!
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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2003, 06:57:00 PM »
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At 10:15 A.M. on Thursday, August 23rd, 1973 the "Sveriges Kreditbank" of Stockholm, Sweden was rocked by sub-machine gun fire.(1) "The party has just begun", announced a 32 year old prison escapee named Jan-Erik Olsson. "The party", indeed, continued for some 131 hours, or five and a half days, as Olsson held four of the bank's employees hostage in an 11 by 47 foot vault until late in the evening of August 28th.

While the "Sveriges Kreditbank" robbery itself may not have been of world shattering importance, later interviews with the four hostages yielded surprising results -- results that have been confirmed in numerous other "hostage situations" in the years that followed. Even though the captives themselves were not able to explain it, they displayed a strange association with their captors, identifying with them while fearing those who sought to end their captivity. In some cases they later testified on behalf of or raised money for the legal defense of their captors. The Swedish location of the "Sveriges Kreditbank" gave its name to this mental aberration as "The Stockholm Syndrome".

Long-term psychological study of this and similar hostage situations has defined a fairly clear and characteristic set of symptoms for the Stockholm Syndrome:

The captives begin to identify with their captors. At least at first this is a defensive mechanism, based on the (often unconscious) idea that the captor will not hurt the captive if he is cooperative and even positively supportive. The captive seeks to win the favor of the captor in an almost childlike way.

The captive often realizes that action taken by his would-be rescuers is very likely to hurt him instead of obtaining his release. Attempts at rescue may turn a presently tolerable situation into a lethal one. If the bullets of the authorities don't get him, quite possibly those of the provoked captor will.

Long term captivity builds even stronger attachment to the captor as he becomes known as a human being with his own problems and aspirations. Particularly in political or ideological situations, longer captivity also allows the captive to become familiar with the captor's point of view and the history of his grievances against authority. He may come to believe that the captor's position is just.

The captive seeks to distance himself emotionally from the situation by denial that it is actually taking place. He fancies that "it is all a dream", or looses himself in excessive periods of sleep, or in delusions of being magically rescued. He may try to forget the situation by engaging in useless but time consuming "busy work". Depending on his degree of identification with the captor he may deny that the captor is at fault, holding that the would-be rescuers and their insistence on punishing the captor are really to blame for his situation.

Full Text: http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/stockholm.html


Remember that Marty got on staff the only way you can in a synanon; by going through the program.

By continuing to defend and cover up eachother's past crimes, these folks also harbour the ability to do the same things again, just in more subtle ways.

There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.
--George Washington

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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2003, 06:59:00 PM »
GO FUCK YOUR SELF,YOU LIER!maybe he wanted to get you in the Teepee?Thats off the fffffff wall!
if it was so good for you why you here?don't fuck with me.and screw I am in no mood for you
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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2003, 07:04:00 PM »
Elan is not like that anymore?got your mouth full of cock?go away you stupid excuse for a human being. but,it was ok long ago.you little f screw off,why you here? just an other enoying magot for me to deal with,go to Aluni you thinks its so cool.WHY YOU HERE?
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« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2003, 07:14:00 PM »
HEY NAZI,Marty is respected LMAO this chic needs a GM she or he ,sounds like a bitch,why she here sticking up for that fagot?and Marty you are week and yo

OH JUST GOT IT! Its him or staff ,you can't reply to my post cause I got you  on the truth?
GOT GUILT COP TO IT MOTHER FUCKER!
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« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2003, 07:17:00 PM »
Hey you almost got me Elan supporters lmao I am smarter than the avarge bear though.Good try.










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« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2003, 07:25:00 PM »
so that makes it ok hey nazi,he takes them for walks.WAIT A MINUTE HERE! Marty your having people post that sounded like I'm sorry I'm better today,way cool in around about way you replyed to my post,you no your guilty and thats why that was posted.COOLLLLLLL
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« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2003, 07:28:00 PM »
HEY HERE IS ONE

       FUCK AROUND FUCK AROUND AND SOON YOU WON"T BE AROUD! so fffff sick lmao
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« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2003, 07:45:00 PM »
Maybe what you say is true,you sound younger than my son,please don't enoy me with your bullshit,If you were so sure than why did you say maybe and then say he's cool today you don't know about years ago.FUCK OFF OFF STAFF
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« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2003, 07:48:00 PM »
Why are you so angry at me, Dee? I am just stating how elan is today.  I wasn't around in the 70s and im sure it was different.  I know Elan saved my life.  I would not be the successful, strong, independant woman I am today if it wasn't for Marty, Clare, and the other staff and directors who gave me the opportunity to be successful.  I have nothing to do with the staff and directors.  Personally I disagreed with some things they said and did, but thats life.  I feel sorry for you that your experience in Elan was so negative, and hope that one day you can move past it.
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« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2003, 10:16:00 PM »
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On 2003-10-22 14:35:00, Dee Verry wrote:

"Thanks paul I am fine just going through something I guess. Thanks for the supprot dude.

                 Peace out1"



Dee, I am glad that you are doing good, but I
didn t right that.  I odn t knwo who did, or why.  If I post to you, I will use my name, so that you know it is me.

My best,
Paul St. John
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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2003, 10:26:00 PM »
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On 2003-10-22 16:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why are you so angry at me, Dee? I am just stating how elan is today.  I wasn't around in the 70s and im sure it was different.  I know Elan saved my life.  I would not be the successful, strong, independant woman I am today if it wasn't for Marty, Clare, and the other staff and directors who gave me the opportunity to be successful.  I have nothing to do with the staff and directors.  Personally I disagreed with some things they said and did, but thats life.  I feel sorry for you that your experience in Elan was so negative, and hope that one day you can move past it."



Who the fuck are you, ass hole?


Now, to take you point for point a bit..

You feel that it is an injustice not to mention how it is today, well then say it all you want.. It s an open board.


2 I don't really think that Elan saves anybody's life.



Quote: Personally I disagreed with some things they said and did, but thats life.  

Now that's not life.. Life is not being subjected to the will of others when you disagree with them.. That my friend is the opposite of life!!!


Quote: I feel sorry for you that your experience in Elan was so negative, and hope that one day you can move past it.


and yet you defend them, and tell the victim that hope that SHE can move past it.


Fuck you!  


Paul St. John
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« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2003, 10:47:00 PM »
Im sorry if you misunderstood me.  When I said I disagreed with some of the things at Elan, I meant petty things.  Like demotions that I disagreed with or something to that nature.  As a whole I agree with the program.  I didn't have it easy there at all.  I was in the ring, I recieved countless general meetings, and more gi time than I wish to remember.  But all of those learning experiences were because of my own actions.  
Paul, you never went to Elan.  Elan does not save lives, you are right.  Elan offers people the tools to save their own lives.  I know I'd be either dead or in a psych ward right now had I not been sent to Elan.  Instead I am a successful college student who knows how to handle her feelings and move on from things.  I feel I owe my life to the staff and directors of Elan.
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