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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2010, 01:52:11 PM »
Some context about Whooter's "fabricated son."

Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
Quote from: "whooter"
Its a forgone conclusion that you have lied many times here on fornits, Anne, based on your own logic.

Well, there's a bit of a problem with Whooter's "logic" here.  Whooter is trying to use Anne's logic to draw conclusions that Anne has "lied" about her experiences.  He's free to theorize whatever he likes, even though we all see right away he could not provide any example of Anne's alleged "lying."

However, we don't need to make logical deductions that Whooter lied here on Fornits.  All we need is his own words to prove without doubt he is a liar.  No analogies, no twisted "logic" are required.  We simply quote Whooter's own posts where he admits being a liar.

Quote from: "Whooter"
I fabricated a son

That's a pretty hefty admission there.  "I fabricated a son."  Wow.  If Whooter would fabricate his imaginary family, what else wouldn't he fabricate?  This is why Whooter has no credibility.  He already admitted he's a liar.  This is just one instance of many that have been proven.

Quote from: "Whooter"
I fabricated a son
Quote from: "Whooter"
I admit that, Anne.

And as far as "pedophile posts" go, well, Whooter is up to his neck in accusing people of being pedophiles around here as well.
Quote from: "Whooter"
Now go spend some time with your kid.  Turn off the porn and  let him have a normal childhood for a change.  If  you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.

and

Quote from: "Whooter"
why are you obsessed with this JD guy?  It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night.  We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.

You are sick Ajax13.  Stop molesting and abusing your son.  Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family.  Its only a forum.  Leave your kid in peace.

and

Quote from: "Whooter"
If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy.  There are thousands of them.  I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC.  The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually.  At least mine has some credibility.

And speaking of "credibility" here is a list compiled by "Troll Control" of Whooter's aliases he has used to post on Fornits.

Quote from: "Troll Control"
Whooter’s aliases:

RobertBruce.

RobertBruce .

RobertBruces

BEN WAjowski

Fred Bicep

Peg Sympson

John C.

Mike D.

Ursas

Slander Programs

John B.

Jim Bunson

Dot MacKinnon

Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)

Mark Rosen

Roger Glasdco

John Randall

Pete DeGroot

Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)

Warner Stubbin

Steve Backlan

James Driding

Rob Jamison

Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)

Bess H.

Iao;nori

Jim Baylor

Sid Michaels

Fred Thompson

John McCain

Sarah Palin

Mitt Romney

Al Gore

Dick Cheney

Mike Wilson

Rudy Bentz

Heal Online

Margaret Wilson

Revenge Fantasy Girlz

Diddle

Robert Hess

Ajax13.

Tom K

Aghast.

Marion

To me, and probably all of the other readers here, it looks like Whooter has been by far the most dishonest poster.  It appears all he has left is to try to attack others because his behavior here is very, very shady to say the least.  Readers should know this context and these proven facts before rendering their judgment on Whooter's excuses for all of his dishonesty.

More on Whooter's dishonesty and aliases here and here.

Here are all of the facts we have.   It's clear that people who promote programs will pretend to be anything, from a kid in a program to a program staff to a research scientist studying programs.  The question really is "What hasn't Whooter lied about on Fornits?"
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"The ricketty and scrofulous little wretch who first sees the light in a work-house, or in a brothel, and who feels the effects of alcohol before the effects of vital air, is not equal in any respect to the ruddy offspring of the honest yeoman; nay, I will go further, and say that a prince, provided he is no better born than royal blood will make him, is not equal to the healthy son of a peasant." [/i]

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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2010, 03:33:24 PM »
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Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
I'm going to have to agree with psy here.  This tactic of fabricating entire families, inventing children, making up success stories is very common in program parents and program pushers.  Whooter is a program pusher that pretends to have a family he does not have, nor has he ever had, in order to frame the debate in a way where he can hold out his fictitious story and nonexistent children as "program success stories."  It's dishonest, but it's how he chose to present himself here.  Unfortunately for Whooter, he got caught lying and was forced to admit it, so there's no going back now.  From here out nobody will believe what he says because of this (and many other) enormous lies in which he has been caught.  Let's be honest, if these programs actually worked or produced results, their proponents wouldn't be reduced to inventing their entire family history and fabricating children in order to show the programs work.  They don't work so these people like Whooter have to lie to promote them and make sales.


Yeah, that really is it.  They know programs can't hold up to the scrutiny, so they send in someone to do damage control on the sites that expose their methods.  Or, the person decided (like Sue Scheff and, I believe, Whooter/Reuben) to make some money off of it so they come here to protect their own monetary interest because they know that Fornits has an impact, no matter how much they put it down.  If Fornits wasn't having an impact, they wouldn't feel the need to be here day after day after day after day, making up pretend families and defending and spinning this bullshit.
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"The ricketty and scrofulous little wretch who first sees the light in a work-house, or in a brothel, and who feels the effects of alcohol before the effects of vital air, is not equal in any respect to the ruddy offspring of the honest yeoman; nay, I will go further, and say that a prince, provided he is no better born than royal blood will make him, is not equal to the healthy son of a peasant." [/i]

-John Randolph

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Troubled Parent Invents TWO Troubled Teens to Show "Success"
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2010, 10:39:18 AM »
We have found Whooter's "second son."  Now we only need to know if this second one is "real" or "fabricated" as he claims the previous son was.  I believe he had two sons all along, Mike (ASR, deceased) and Max (HLA), and actually fabricated his daughter.  This seems more likely now that we have found the "second son."

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Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Peg Sympson"
First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly.  But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart.  He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument.  He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument.  I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills.  He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
  He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.

Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated.  He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates.  He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name.  So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.

A friend of my son was this way.  He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life.  To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him.  Violence is just ingrained in some people.  Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it.  It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.

Whoops!  Whooter has another son!  This one must be the real one.  Unless he fabricated two of them.
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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2010, 12:34:56 PM »
We're still waiting for Whooter's explanation of the second son he now claims to have.
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"The ricketty and scrofulous little wretch who first sees the light in a work-house, or in a brothel, and who feels the effects of alcohol before the effects of vital air, is not equal in any respect to the ruddy offspring of the honest yeoman; nay, I will go further, and say that a prince, provided he is no better born than royal blood will make him, is not equal to the healthy son of a peasant." [/i]

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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2010, 02:18:03 PM »
Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
We're still waiting for Whooter's explanation of the second son he now claims to have.

Any updates?  People are curious about this new "second son" and why a program parent claiming to have a daughter only has now posted about two sons.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"The ricketty and scrofulous little wretch who first sees the light in a work-house, or in a brothel, and who feels the effects of alcohol before the effects of vital air, is not equal in any respect to the ruddy offspring of the honest yeoman; nay, I will go further, and say that a prince, provided he is no better born than royal blood will make him, is not equal to the healthy son of a peasant." [/i]

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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2010, 03:27:15 PM »
Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
We're still waiting for Whooter's explanation of the second son he now claims to have.

I think the readers would get a better picture if you provided a link so that they could read a few posts after that one where you were upset that one of your many Aliases "Peg Sympson"  was hijacked by "yours truly" to put an end to your trolling and you pretending to be a parent of a survivor.  It becomes much clearer to the readers why I had to do the things I did.

I tracked you down on this one and shut your game down, Watchful Yeoman.  lol

Link

Quote from: "Control Troll"
And, by the way, my name is spelled "Pegg" with two "g's" so please stop trying to hijack my identity and put your words in my mouth, Whooter. For the record, it was Whooter posing as me in the past few posts and I did not say those things. It's just another example of how cowardly he is when he can't use his won name but tries to steal other people's identities. I support the idea that Whooter and DJ settle things in the ring, like men, to raise money for the kids, but I think Whooter is really genuinely afraid of it.

When you leave the links out we know there is usually something you dont want the readers to see.



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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2010, 03:40:13 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"

Quote from: "Control Troll"
I support the idea that Whooter and DJ settle things in the ring, like men, to raise money for the kids, but I think Whooter is really genuinely afraid of it.

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Put me down for a pair of tickets.

 :poison:  ::poke::  :poison:
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Re: Troubled Parent Invents TWO Troubled Teens to Show "Succ
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2010, 03:48:22 PM »
Whooter posted all three of these posts.  He posed as "Peg Sympson" and quoted himself twice leading up to his admission that he has a second son.  Let's not cloudy up the simple facts.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Peg Sympson"
First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly.  But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart.  He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument.  He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument.  I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills.  He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
  He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.

Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated.  He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates.  He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name.  So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.

A friend of my son was this way.  He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life.  To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him.  Violence is just ingrained in some people.  Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it.  It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.

Since I never posted on that thread, you don't have any quotes of me saying anything.  That's obvious.

People here just want to know which of the three kids in programs you claimed to have were "fabricated."

Quote from: "Whooter"
I fabricated a son

Yes, you claimed that already, too, but we don't believe you because of all the other lies.  People here believe you had two sons and fabricated the daughter, not the son.  Either way, you fabricated your family in order to advance your agenda here.
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"The ricketty and scrofulous little wretch who first sees the light in a work-house, or in a brothel, and who feels the effects of alcohol before the effects of vital air, is not equal in any respect to the ruddy offspring of the honest yeoman; nay, I will go further, and say that a prince, provided he is no better born than royal blood will make him, is not equal to the healthy son of a peasant." [/i]

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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2010, 03:55:38 PM »
Sorry, DJ/Watchful Yeoman, I already posted the link a couple of posts ago.  The cats out of the bag. I see why you never post any of those links.  You were caught lying again!!

Who is Peg Sympson again?  lol  Is that with 1 g or two g's  I forget.

Here lets take another look:

Link



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Re: Troubled Parent Invents TWO Troubled Teens to Show "Succ
« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2010, 04:09:16 PM »
Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
Whooter posted all three of these posts.  He posed as "Peg Sympson" and quoted himself twice leading up to his admission that he has a second son.  Let's not cloudy up the simple facts.  You can see for several pages before this post Whooter was posting as "Peg Sympson" and having a running dialog with himself when he admits having another son.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Peg Sympson"
First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly.  But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart.  He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument.  He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument.  I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills.  He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
  He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.

Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated.  He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates.  He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name.  So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.

A friend of my son was this way.  He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life.  To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him.  Violence is just ingrained in some people.  Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it.  It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.

Since I never posted on that thread, you don't have any quotes of me saying anything.  That's obvious.

People here just want to know which of the three kids in programs you claimed to have were "fabricated."

Quote from: "Whooter"
I fabricated a son

Yes, you claimed that already, too, but we don't believe you because of all the other lies.  People here believe you had two sons and fabricated the daughter, not the son.  Either way, you fabricated your family in order to advance your agenda here.

So while you were posing as "Peg Sympson," before "Troll Contol" caught you trolling and put a stop to it you claimed you had a second son (besides the fabricated one I guess).
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"The ricketty and scrofulous little wretch who first sees the light in a work-house, or in a brothel, and who feels the effects of alcohol before the effects of vital air, is not equal in any respect to the ruddy offspring of the honest yeoman; nay, I will go further, and say that a prince, provided he is no better born than royal blood will make him, is not equal to the healthy son of a peasant." [/i]

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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #85 on: October 19, 2010, 12:41:16 PM »
:bump:

Anyone found any more of Whooter's fabricated family members yet?
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"The ricketty and scrofulous little wretch who first sees the light in a work-house, or in a brothel, and who feels the effects of alcohol before the effects of vital air, is not equal in any respect to the ruddy offspring of the honest yeoman; nay, I will go further, and say that a prince, provided he is no better born than royal blood will make him, is not equal to the healthy son of a peasant." [/i]

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Whooter's fabricated troll
« Reply #86 on: October 19, 2010, 01:33:16 PM »
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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2010, 10:27:52 AM »
Lots of Whooter fabrications below designed to promote programs or attack the credibility of abuse victims.


Link to where TheWho admits he is john Reuben

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "Guest"
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John must be too busy enSlavingTeens right now to answer.

Yes, he takes gubmint dollars (your tax dollars) and uses them to imprison youths privately at various quack-holes.

Why is that a crime? They use tax dollars for far worse things than imprisoning youths.  At least they are kept safe here.  Imagine if they were shipped overseas with private funding where people hate Americans.  You would see abuse on a whole new level. All my work stays within the confines of the US borders... no 2nd rate programs.

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Here Whooter confirms his son went to his wife’s funeral.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "Guest"
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John, why do you send kids to places like HLA where your own child was prevented from visiting his dying mom and not allowed to go to the funeral either?  Why should anyone trust you?  Please explain yourself.

I would really like to hear this answer.

It says it right here.  And many other places.

I did read that one.  But how do we know he wasnt allowed to attend the funeral?

Max went to the funeral, no need to worry.  They are just trying to make programs look bad.  Keep in mind you are on fornits.

How would Whooter know this?  Unless, of course, as he previously admitted, he is the kid’s dad.


Here Whooter, posting anonymously until his posts were linked, accuses Ajax13 of being a porn-watching child abuser.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "ajax13"
JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide.  Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital.  The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits.  ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past.  Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention.  I don't have any questions for Dean Vause.  He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction".  I am not interested in hearing what he has to say.  AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead.  Pick up that phone and call the live one.

Thank you for updating us.  Of course you have no facts as usual to back up what you say and that is why I am here to point these problems out.  
anyone can come on here and say "So and so has been pretending to be a doctor for 20 years!!" , "His wife is overweight".  The president of Honda motor corp could have weight issues but that doesnt relect on the quality of the automobiles... but you don see that.  He may not even have a drivers license.  You just dont know how to debate the issues with relevant facts.  As long as AARC is effectively treating people and they have an 85% success rate who cares how much people weigh or what their degree is in.


Now go spend some time with your kid.  Turn off the porn and  let him have a normal childhood for a change.  If  you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.

And JD, if you are listening, go call your son.


Here Whooter says Ajax13 is molesting his won son.  Whooter is obviously a sick freak doing a lot of projection.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "ajax13"
JD, since you killed your son, you can't have contact with him at all, moderated or not.  Your mania, stupidity, ignorance and laziness seem to be in an epic battle for dominance.  Who will win JD?  Will your next post be shameful because it's rooted in stupidity, ignorance, laziness or your inability to think rationally when your compulsions are driving you?

why are you obsessed with this JD guy?  It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night.  We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.

You are sick Ajax13.  Stop molesting and abusing your son.  Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family.  Its only a forum.  Leave your kid in peace.


here Whooter invalidates all who were abused at RTC’s.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""Guest""
How would you know what a parent thinks, Who? You threw your daughter away to ASR, so you don't have the right to call yourself that anymore, and your continued use of the word is a heavy insult to the real parents reading this forum.

Kinda like the rest of you calling yourself survivors.  Surviving what?  A cush stay at RTC?  Its an insult to people who actually survived something.


Family member Harvard Fellow and EdCon??

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Quote from: ""dishdutyfugitive""
You seem to have an explanation for everything.
Hey, not very nice
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What is ASR?

Academy at Swift River

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Suws is a short wildneress program right?
Yes
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Did your daughter graduate?

Yes
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Has she ever shared her negative experiences with you in detail?
Well, we have spoken about it quite a bit and she shares her experiences with me.  I ask a lot of questions especially after what I have read about here on fornits.  I ask her about counselors that she liked and ones she didn’t and why.  Has she ever seen anyone severely punished or had food withheld, put into restraints or placed in isolation, forced to disrobe in front of the other students etc. and she looks at me like I have two heads.  ASR wasn’t anything even close to what people on here talk about.  She enjoys talking about and wonders how some of her friends would have turned out if they had gone there also.

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Did you use an educational consultant?
No, I have a family member who specializes in child psychology and children’s issues, is a fellow at Harvard University and he recommended ASR.


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Have you made a list of good schools?
No I haven’t
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What do you think differentiates the good from the bad?
Wow, I am really not qualified to speak technically about the differences.  But I would say the model the school employs.  If the school is taking a clinical approach, is listening to the feedback from the graduates and parents and are willing to adjust their rules and make changes based on parental feedback and to continuously evolve then this would be a school I would want to send my child to and would recommend to others.
I would not recommend a school who had guards who beat the kids, placed kids in restraints, forced them to walk around naked, with held food etc.  I would not consider these at all for anyone.  These schools are a good candidate for regulation.


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In this installment Whooter is back to accusing Ajax13 of sexually abusing his own child.  Keep it classy, Whooter.

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If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy.  There are thousands of them.  I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC.  The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually.  At least mine has some credibility.

As Whooter continues to lose the argument, he continues to post over and over that Ajax13 sexually abuses his own child, even “QFTing” himself saying it, all anonymously, of course.


Here Whooter is posing as an Aspen Ranch “graduate” and telling people not to tell him he’s lying.  Well, I guess that makes it believable then?  Fail, Whooter.  Fail.

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I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.

Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.

And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.

Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!


And a bit later in the thread Whooter poses as a parent with a kid at Aspen Ranch while singing its praises.

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the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.

A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.

I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.


And after he’s called out by another poster he bashes them for calling his phony story “fictitious” which it was, 100% ficticious.

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Quote from: "John David Reuben"
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.

A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.

I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.

John Reuben keep your fictitious "accounts" coming.

So fornits has finally reached the point where parents and survivors stories which are not negative are just tossed aside as fictitious.   "Lets tighten things up and only allow the battered few thru the door!!!"  Ha,Ha,Ha  Finally got you to admit it...... its a good first step.


And he goes on further to suggest 99% of survivor stories are fictitious, right after he’s caught phonying up a “success story.” You can’t make it up, folks.

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Quote from: "Latches"

It is a good first step that you're finally able to acknowledge those who were battered. The next would be for you to comprehend that that number is far more than a few.
Helpful to that end would be you’re considering the various kinds of injuries caused to children in programs.

Not all are as physical violence. Assaults like rape and battery do happen in programs, as well as imposed stress positions, prolonged physically exhausting exertions (death marches for some) and inadequate or even no proper medical care.
In addition to these injurious violations of children the damages accrued from dehumanizing humiliations and infliction of emotional abuse and destructive thought reform tactics are very real, very pervasive in the TTI, and completely unnecessary to extending guidance to children.

99% of those accounts are fictitious.  We all know that the kids are helped at these places.... kids here post to blow off steam, its healthy for them but dont rely on the accuracy of the posts.

Here Whooter admits he sent a son, not a daughter, to a wilderness program.

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Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.

Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here.  The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.

Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.


Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.”

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Quote from: "John D. Reuben"
"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

This marketing spin makes me nauseous.  We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John.  I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line.  You disgust me, sir.

Of course you are nauseous.  That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture.  You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people.  People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe.  Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives.  But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path.  The parents should have been more involved all along.  So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem.  This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:

1.   It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2.    You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.


You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking.  This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people.  Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good.  I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation.  It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.

As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash.  By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge".  Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.
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Re: Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"
« Reply #88 on: July 06, 2011, 03:37:57 PM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

I don't care how much you question my "story".  I know it's true and, deep down, so do you.  You might not believe it about other programs, but I do think you believe it about Straight.  You just try and throw doubt in there for the benefit of others reading, hoping it'll catch on with them.

I really dont care what others think either.  We all know ourselves and what our individual stories are.  You try to keep supporting that I fabricated a son for other reasons than the ones I described to you.  You do this to try to throw doubt for the benefit of the readers.  Why do you do this?  and why wouldnt the readers believe you are capable of allowing other untruths slip by about your time in straight?



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Look, Anne, I already told you the reasons that I fabricated my family.  I'm not going to keep answering questions about my fabricated children when I have already answered them.  Some people would consider this to be "lying" but really all it is is adding balance to the discussion.  Sheesh.  Get a life.



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