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The World’s Oldest Hatred
« on: September 21, 2010, 12:56:25 PM »
Tuesday, June 29, 2010
The World’s Oldest Hatred

Anti-Semitism is the world’s oldest hatred. Yet, it was a prejudice that I thought the world was moving passed. But clearly with the endless vitriol shown to Israel it is alive and well.

What’s that? Hatred of Israel is not motivated by Anti-Semitism? Yeah, I thought so too. I was even naïve enough to write column after column admonishing my fellow Jews not to jump to such simplistic conclusions. Surely hatred of Israel was due to the Jewish state being terrible at PR. Surely Israel, a lone democracy in a sea of tyranny, assumed that the justice of its cause was so self-evident as to require no explanation. A renewed PR effort was necessary. Or maybe the endless and unjust criticism of Israel was simply a manifestation of the world’s natural proclivity to champion the underdog. The Arabs, numbering in the hundreds of millions, have somehow successfully positioned themselves as being oppressed by six million Israeli Jews. All of this could account for why Israel, a thriving democracy where one million Israeli Arabs vote and have robust representation in the Israeli Knesset, is hated while its tyrannical, terrorist neighbors escape censure.

I now know that none of this is true and that hatred of Israel is just another manifestation of the world’s oldest hatred.

Believe me. It pains me to write this. It represents a fundamental defeat for my Jewish universalist worldview. I believe with every fiber of my being that we are all G-d’s children, part of an indivisible human family. That Arabs and Jews are equal before G-d and that we are all brothers. And the knowledge that I will never be fully included in that family due to a deep-seated hostility to my people is devastating beyond words.

But what else are we to conclude? Why would British academics ban their Israeli counterparts and not, say, the Chinese whose human rights abuses and slaughter of innocent civilians at Tiananmen Square took place before the whole world? The Turks bomb Kurdish independence fighters on a regular basis and continue to deny their genocide of more than a million helpless Armenians. Yet their condemnation of Israel over the Gaza flotilla gains international currency. Hugo Chavez brutally dismantles Venezuelan democracy, imprisons his political opponents, locks up judges, and persecutes a free press that criticizes him. But his condemnation of a genocidal Israel is lauded by countries throughout the world. And the UN censures Israel on a monthly basis while countries like Libya sit on its Human Rights Council. If that isn’t rank anti-Semitism than the word has no meaning.

Israel’s obviously not perfect. Like any moral democracy fighting for its very life it’s going to make mistakes. But compared to Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so many other of its neighbors it is positively angelic. Disagree? Well, rather than engage in useless and endless debate let’s employ John F. Kennedy’s famous argument delivered in the summer of 1963 in his memorable ‘Ich Bin Ein Berliner’ speech. Kennedy addressed the two world systems that were in mortal conflict, Capitalism and Communism. Each said their side was right. Each brought endless facts to make their case. “There are many people in the world,” Kennedy said, “who really don’t understand, or say they don’t, what is the great issue between the free world and the Communist world… There are some who say that Communism is the wave of the future… And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the Communists….” OK. A major dilemma. Two world systems each claiming to be righteous and asserting the other to be evil. How to adjudicate between them? Kennedy did so with memorable eloquence. “Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in, to prevent them from leaving us.”

I say the same thing to you. If Israel really is so terrible, if it’s government is so evil, then let’s put it to the Kennedy test. If all of Israel’s most rabid critics were forced to choose to live either in Israel or under Hamas in Gaza, or under Assad in Syria, or under Ahmedenijad in Iran, or under Abdullah in Saudi Arabia, or even in communist China, which would they choose? In Israel they would have the freedom to mercilessly assail their government on the radio, in print, and in public squares. In any of these other countries they would be locked up or killed mid-way through their inaugural speech. In Israel if they were female or gay they would enjoy absolutely full rights and equal protection under the law. In Iran or Saudi Arabia, if female they would be severely punished for not adhering to a certain dress code, and if openly gay they would be lucky to escape with their lives.

Yet it is Israel which the world hates.

Go figure.

Or perhaps there is no need. This kind of hatred has a long and cruel precedent. It comes in many guises. Today it targets Israel but at its root it’s just good old-fashioned, unbridled, unapologetic Jew-hatred. Ecclesiastes had it right. There is nothing new under the sun.

http://www.shmuley.com/articles/details ... st_hatred/
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 01:29:24 PM »
Israel is a miracle, plain and simple. There really is no other explanation for it. But there are dark forces that wish to destroy what Israel has created. Unfortunately it's the politically correct, and "cool" position in world politics to root for the little guy. Well the loser in this battle is the Arabs, and thank God for that. So people in the US at a protest might pick up an Arab flag that says Free Gaza, and have no understanding of what evil it truly represents. Eventually this time will pass and Israel will rule their land in peace and the days of savagery and suicide bombings will be but a distant memory. Until then Israel needs to focus on doing what is right for themselves, not what they think will please the rest of the world. If you are better than the rest of the world, what is the purpose of worrying about what they think. It's like being the most beautiful girl in school, people will focus their hatred on you and attempt to tear you down. It doesn't mean you are bad, it only reflects how other people choose to react to your beauty.
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 12:35:01 AM »
Quote from: "Maximilian"
Israel is a miracle, plain and simple. There really is no other explanation for it. But there are dark forces that wish to destroy what Israel has created. Unfortunately it's the politically correct, and "cool" position in world politics to root for the little guy. Well the loser in this battle is the Arabs, and thank God for that. So people in the US at a protest might pick up an Arab flag that says Free Gaza, and have no understanding of what evil it truly represents. Eventually this time will pass and Israel will rule their land in peace and the days of savagery and suicide bombings will be but a distant memory. Until then Israel needs to focus on doing what is right for themselves, not what they think will please the rest of the world. If you are better than the rest of the world, what is the purpose of worrying about what they think. It's like being the most beautiful girl in school, people will focus their hatred on you and attempt to tear you down. It doesn't mean you are bad, it only reflects how other people choose to react to your beauty.
There is also a religious element that others have to look at:
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"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)
And it's undeniably authentic (Sahih means authentic).  This is what muhammad said (hardly the only example), and if you're a good Muslim, you'll do it.  Its' as simple as that -- and this is not to say that all Muslims are violent (there are "bad" muslims as there are non-practicing members of most religions) -- but those who know what Muhammad taught and choose that ideology -- watch out!

Israel is up against the remains of a 7'th century pedophile warlord's cult who wish them all dead.  Not just Israel.  The Jews.  And people believe this.  Not just "extremists", but those who would claim to be moderate.  Want an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 07:44:45 PM »
Israel will be destroyed.

Their enemy is pure evil...
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 08:29:13 PM »
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"Surely Israel, a lone democracy in a sea of tyranny"


What kind of democracy is it when you must be jewish to vote. Separation between church and state does not exist in Israel. In America you just have to be a citizen to vote. Isreal will be a democracy when palastinians are allowed to vote.
I am not an anti-semite. All I am saying is that Isreal is  not a democracy, at least not the way we practice it here in America. All jews are not isrealies, But all isrealies are jewish in order to be citizens
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 08:48:06 PM »
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Buzzkill wrote
"Surely Israel, a lone democracy in a sea of tyranny"


What kind of democracy is it when you must be jewish to vote.

Wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

 As of 2008, Arab citizens of Israel comprise just over 20% of the country's total population. The majority of these identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.

There are three mainstream Arab parties in Israel: Hadash (a joint Arab-Jewish party with a large Arab presence), Balad, and the United Arab List, which is a coalition of several different political organizations including the Islamic Movement.

Palestinian Arabs sat in the state's first parliamentary assembly; currently, 12 of the 120 members of the Israeli Parliament are Arab citizens, most representing Arab political parties, and one of Israel's Supreme Court judges is a Palestinian Arab.


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Isreal will be a democracy when palastinians are allowed to vote.

Palestinians (arabs without Israeli citizenship, read about Israeli independence if you want more info how this happened) want their own country, that's why they suicide bomb buses and holiday parties and send rockets down onto civilians.

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All jews are not isrealies, But all isrealies are jewish in order to be citizens[/b]

Wrong again. As of 2008, Arab citizens of Israel comprise just over 20% of the country's total population. The majority of these identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 08:56:12 PM »
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Buzzkill wrote
"Surely Israel, a lone democracy in a sea of tyranny"


What kind of democracy is it when you must be jewish to vote. Separation between church and state does not exist in Israel. In America you just have to be a citizen to vote. Isreal will be a democracy when palastinians are allowed to vote.
I am not an anti-semite. All I am saying is that Isreal is  not a democracy, at least not the way we practice it here in America. All jews are not isrealies, But all isrealies are jewish in order to be citizens



That is not actually true. There are quite a few Arab Muslim Israelis. They do vote.

Of course outside of Israel proper, none of the so-called "occupied" Arabs can vote, and they are not citizens, they are conquered enemy.

Arabs living in so called Palestine, vote. They have voted for their representatives. In their government.

"Hamas" ring a bell?

If so, then you know they vote.
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 09:18:57 PM »
Arab Israelis, both Muslim and Christian can and do vote. They serve in the Israeli government. They have full citizenship.
Israel is in no way a "church state". Most Israelis are as un-interested in matters of faith as are most Americans. It is just as much a  secular society; although one that does attempt to show respect for the faiths that call their home land Holy.

Name me one - just one - Islamic nation that has anything remotely as open, respectful and tolerant in either their society, government or faith?

"Heckled by a lawmaker from Israel's Arab minority, Netanyahu offered a lesson in comparative religion from the lectern.

"Because you asked: Jerusalem is mentioned 142 times in the New Testament, and none of the 16 various Arabic names for Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran. But in an expanded interpretation of the Koran from the 12th century, one passage is said to refer to Jerusalem," he said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64B2EY20100512

Name me an Islamic nation where a Jew could heckle the ruling Monarch in a cabinet meeting? One where a Jew would be permitted in a cabinet meeting? Just one where the Jew (or a Christian) would even be allowed to live free and unmolested??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ILdI9N ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DKGJxf ... re=related
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 11:59:21 PM »
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Name me one - just one - Islamic nation that has anything remotely as open, respectful and tolerant in either their society, government or faith?
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I most certainly can't .Islam in my eyes is an abomination. Anything but holy. But the jews treatment of the palistinians does nothingto help the world view of isrealies. It would have to be like living here in Florida and being at war with Georiga,Alabama and Mimsissippi at the same time. And to think they all worship the the same god. That's insanity!
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2010, 11:02:36 AM »
The world view of the Israelis and the "Palestinians" is twisted into a flagrant falsehood by the blind, irrational hate this thread is about.  The Palestinians are not victims of Israel or the Jewish people. They are victims of their own behavior and their own people.  Any study of the actual history makes this abundantly clear.  

On a related note -

http://http://unitedisrael.org/blog/

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Israel is the laboratory – the test market. Every death, every explosion, every grisly encounter is not a random, bloody orgy. It is a calculated, strategic probe into the heart, guts and soul of the West.

In the Six Day War, Israel was the proxy of Western values and strategy while the Arab alliance was the proxy of Eastern, Soviet values and strategy. Today too, it is a confrontation of proxies, but the stakes are greater than East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Israel in her struggle represents the civilized world, while Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, Iran, Islamic Jihad, represent the world of psychopathic, loathsome evil.

As Israel, imperfect as she is, resists the onslaught, many in the Western World have lost their way displaying not admiration, not sympathy, not understanding, for Israel’s galling plight, but downright hostility and contempt. Without moral clarity, we are doomed because Israel’s galling plight ultimately will be ours. Hanna Arendt in her classic Origins of Totalitarianism accurately portrays the first target of tyranny as the Jew. We are the trial balloon. The canary in the coal mine. If the Jew/Israel is permitted to bleed with nary a protest from the “good guys” then tyranny snickers and pushes forward with its agenda.

Moral confusion is a deadly weakness and it has reached epic proportions in the West; from the Oval Office to the UN, from the BBC to Reuters to MSNBC, from the New York Times to Le Monde, from university campuses to British teachers unions, from the International Red Cross to Amnesty International, from Goldstone to Elvis Costello, from the Presbyterian Church to the Archbishop of Canterbury.

There is a message sent and consequences when our president visits Turkey and Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and not Israel

There is a message sent and consequences when free speech on campus is only for those championing Palestinian rights.

There is a message sent and consequences when the media deliberately doctors and edits film clips to demonize Israel.

There is a message sent and consequences when the UN blasts Israel relentlessly, effectively ignoring Iran, Sudan, Venezuela, North Korea, China and other noxious states.

There is a message sent and consequences when liberal churches are motivated by Liberation Theology, not historical accuracy.

There is a message sent and consequences when murderers and terrorists are defended by the obscenely transparent “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”


The entire message is well worth reading.
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2010, 12:14:07 PM »
More right wing rhetoric
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 01:48:40 PM »
More right wing rhetoric. . . exclaimed the left wing loon.
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2010, 01:43:32 AM »
Is it time for Church yet?  ::evil::
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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2010, 12:14:50 PM »
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Is it time for Church yet?  ::evil::

Absolutely ;)

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC8DmUDB_HM&feature

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBZSFhOsyDk

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Re: The World’s Oldest Hatred
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2010, 12:34:37 AM »
:eek:
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