Speaking of "seeming sane," please don't put up a forum solely dedicated to AA. Reading your (you and Antigen's) thoughts on AA, it's clear you have some "far out" opinions on the matter..and if you put up a forum, that would move your thoughts on AA from your opinion realm to official fornits position-(one that the majority of cult victim/program survivors /fornits goers don;t appear to share.)
I was considering a "drug treatment philosophies" forum instead of one naming AA specifically. It could be a forum for AA, RR, SOS, SMART and discussion of the relative benefits and downsides. It would also be opt-in.
And how do you think that will make the claims on this forum appear regarding brainwashing and cults? Its also insulting to victims to equate wwasp or CEDU with AA, which is what you'd be doing, kinda, if you set up its own forum.
Right, but even defenders of AA such as Danny argue that AA and the 12 step philosophy has influenced this industry. It's going to be discussed no matter what and it would be great to have a dedicated place for it.
Yup, it does have a huge influence in the TTI. In fact, a lot of them recommend AA as part of their "aftercare"...and I don't think anyone's
equating WWASP/CEDU etc. with AA. I've never said that AA has beaten anyone or held them against their will (well, maybe the court order b.s.). We've just noticed some similarities to the thought reform techniques that are used.
And the questioning of AA and it's practices isn't so "out there" anymore. More and more people, including professionals, are seeing what we're seeing. Just because it's popular or "mainstream" doesn't mean it's right. The Scientology likeness stands. Millions of people believe that it's saved their lives. That doesn't mean it's so.
I don't care how it's done, but I don't want to see the discussion of AA banned. It
IS an important issue to me as I've watched it harm some people I love very much.