Author Topic: Fornits is a breeding ground for harassment. (Read 5647 times)

ScorpionAngel · « **on:** October 10, 2009, 02:42:33 AM »

Delete Account.

ScorpionAngel · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2009, 04:12:41 PM »

Delete Account.

psy · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2009, 05:09:34 PM »

It's not the most mature behavior out of a program staffer, I'll grant you that. lol. Of course you post it on the net and suddenly he becomes uber professional. Amazing what sunlight can do.

Anonymous · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2009, 05:42:48 PM »

Quote from: "psy"

It's not the most mature behavior out of a program staffer, I'll grant you that. lol. Of course you post it on the net and suddenly he becomes uber professional. Amazing what sunlight can do.

I'm having trouble understanding this. How do the Nazis figure into this conversation? Did he just bring them up apropos of nothing, out of nowhere, after calling Angela a moron also equally apropos of nothing?

Angela, please don't remove the names of former staff from the staff page. They ALL need to be included!

Thank you.
.

ScorpionAngel · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2009, 06:55:53 PM »

Delete Account.

Whooter · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2009, 08:19:06 PM »

It is clear from reading the correspondence that Bisson is the only one that is open to dialog and searching for solutions. Extending an open hand typically scares people who have only been able to attack from the shadows.

Angel why post the emails on the internet to begin with if you are interested in an honest correspondence and building a relationship based on trust? You seem to be attacking Bisson when you are the one who is clearly closing the door to communication. Posting peoples emails on open forums is not professional and says quite a bit about how you handle conflict and the organizations you represent.
Keep it in the office and work towards the goals that are set before you. This doesnt do anyone any good.

I can see why people dont readily trust fornits.com, ISAC, HEAL, Teen Advocates USA nor the information they provide.

ScorpionAngel · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2009, 09:18:29 PM »

Delete Account.

Anonymous · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2009, 09:23:48 PM »

Quote from: "ScorpionAngel"

Mark Rosen's response is typical of industry sympathizers. He ignores the initial e-mail message in which Bisson calls Ms. Smith/HEAL a "moron" and only identifies with the invitation to dialogue. I would suggest that this avoidance of the actual cause of concern in this exchange exemplifies why Mr. Rosen should really do a bit more research or develop a more honest disposition.

Also, Bisson was "selling" a book the program is using and inviting to online "seminars" which is not an invitation to dialogue. HEAL believes in transparency and that our responses to Bisson were professional and that it is up to organizations and forums like HEAL, ISAC, fornits.com, etc. to expose what kind of manipulators are hiding behind the locked gates of the program industry.

If an industry is exposed by the Government Accountability Office and Congress as using deception as a marketing tool, should watchdog organizations trust that industry or their supporters? An intelligent person would likely answer "no".

Thank you for responding to a HEAL post.

So well put. Please post at fornits.com more often. Thank You

ScorpionAngel · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2009, 09:25:21 PM »

Delete Account.

Whooter · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2009, 10:45:14 PM »

Quote

Mark Rosen's response is typical of industry sympathizers. He ignores the initial e-mail message in which Bisson calls Ms. Smith/HEAL a "moron" and only identifies with the invitation to dialogue.

The typical reader would not think Bissons email was an initial contact and either do I.

Quote

I would suggest that this avoidance of the actual cause of concern in this exchange exemplifies why Mr. Rosen should really do a bit more research or develop a more honest disposition.

See above.

Quote

Also, Bisson was "selling" a book the program is using and inviting to online "seminars" which is not an invitation to dialogue.

Many people write books but still continue to research. The book itself doesn’t represent an end to thinking.

Quote

HEAL believes in transparency and that our responses to Bisson were professional and that it is up to organizations and forums like HEAL, ISAC, fornits.com, etc. to expose what kind of manipulators are hiding behind the locked gates of the program industry.

I disagree, I think placing copies of emails and correspondences on an open forum is unprofessional. This was a step that you chose

Quote

If an industry is exposed by the Government Accountability Office and Congress as using deception as a marketing tool, should watchdog organizations trust that industry or their supporters? An intelligent person would likely answer "no".

So you have closed your mind and have no intention of corresponding with anyone? Pull down the shades like posters do here on fornits and pretend it is 1978?
You sound young and at the very least you act immature. You will not be able to make any changes without addressing the issues and including opposing points of view. You are fooling yourself to think todays actions and posting are going to do anything to further your cause.
You have taken a step backwards and do not even know it.

ScorpionAngel · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2009, 11:11:52 PM »

Delete Account.

Anonymous · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2009, 11:36:04 PM »

EXTRA SPECIAL PROTIP: If you send things that make you look stupid, with your name on them, to people who hate you, what do you think they are likely to do?

I would greatly like to go to their online seminar. How do I do that?

ScorpionAngel · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2009, 12:01:20 AM »

Delete Account.

try another castle · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2009, 06:28:29 AM »

That whole email exchange confuses the fuck out of me.

Firstly, whether reading bottom up or top down, I can't for the fuck of me tell what's going on. The responses don't match up to anything on either side.

Second, whats up with the nazi comparison? Is he pretty much admitting that the kids there are going to experience survivor fallout similar to what happened in concentration camps? "Dont worry, we'll teach them how to survive our fuckedupness?"

Whooter · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2009, 07:28:28 AM »

Quote from: "Guest"

EXTRA SPECIAL PROTIP: If you send things that make you look stupid, with your name on them, to people who hate you, what do you think they are likely to do?

If they are Mature/professional , they are likely to:

1.   Ignore them
2.   Take the high road and try to figure out what the issue is.
3.   Work on finding common ground.

If they are immature and lack an education, they are likely to:

1.   Post that persons private emails on an open forum.
2.   Use foul language and make fun of them.
3.   Protect you decision at all costs and sever all chances of future dialog.

Fornits
Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
An open discussion about the troubled parent industry