Aspen Education Group lawyers..AEG not mental health program

[Troll Control]

Well, a "treatment team" would probably provide treatment, wouldn't it?  Why does Aspen call it a "treatment team" and then deny in open court that they provide any treatment and never intended to do so?

I guess they can call it whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do not offer any treatment, as they argued in court.

Did they lie to the judge or lie to the parents?  Both statements (that they DO offer treatment and that they DON'T offer treatment) can't be true.  Either way, Aspen is either committing fraud or perjury.

[Whooter]

Well, a "treatment team" would probably provide treatment, wouldn't it?  Why does Aspen call it a "treatment team" and then deny in open court that they provide any treatment and never intended to do so?

I guess they can call it whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do not offer any treatment, as they argued in court.

Did they lie to the judge or lie to the parents?  Both statements (that they DO offer treatment and that they DON'T offer treatment) can't be true.  Either way, Aspen is either committing fraud or perjury.

Looks like you are wrong.  Here is a link to the court records that Ursus posted.  Look at the bottom of the page #2:


2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.


Court Records

I dont know what Matthews lawyer was thinking.  They got killed on this one.  They all agreed he was being seen by a therapist who was licensed after the evidence was brought forward.

[Troll Control]

Well, a "treatment team" would probably provide treatment, wouldn't it?  Why does Aspen call it a "treatment team" and then deny in open court that they provide any treatment and never intended to do so?

I guess they can call it whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do not offer any treatment, as they argued in court.

Did they lie to the judge or lie to the parents?  Both statements (that they DO offer treatment and that they DON'T offer treatment) can't be true.  Either way, Aspen is either committing fraud or perjury.

I see your point here.  You can call a cat a dog if you want, but it's still a cat, right?  Aspen calls them "treatment teams" but also admits in court that they "provide no treatment."  

Interestingly, right on Northstar's website they also say all counselors are therapists, but in court they said the opposite - that none of the counselors are therapists.  So they lied in court or lied in their advertising.  One or the other.

[Whooter]

Well, a "treatment team" would probably provide treatment, wouldn't it?  Why does Aspen call it a "treatment team" and then deny in open court that they provide any treatment and never intended to do so?

I guess they can call it whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do not offer any treatment, as they argued in court.

Did they lie to the judge or lie to the parents?  Both statements (that they DO offer treatment and that they DON'T offer treatment) can't be true.  Either way, Aspen is either committing fraud or perjury.

I see your point here.  You can call a cat a dog if you want, but it's still a cat, right?  Aspen calls them "treatment teams" but also admits in court that they "provide no treatment."  

Interestingly, right on Northstar's website they also say all counselors are therapists, but in court they said the opposite - that none of the counselors are therapists.  So they lied in court or lied in their advertising.  One or the other.

Well I like to stick with the court records... hey and I'll even throw in a link for ya:

This was an interesting point:

The court agrees with defendants (Aspen Education Group) that Harless's alleged disclosure of Matthew Pence's confessions to police was not an extreme transgression of the bounds of socially tolerable conduct. Matthew Pence's IIED claim therefore fails as a matter of law.

Court Records
2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.

[Anonymous]

They do very good at claiming 99% success and getting you to believe such hype.  But being gullible is not a crime even if you are guilty of it.

As long as the check clears and the kid turns out okay.... everything else is gravy!!!

The kid is now in prison based on what his "treatment team" reported to the police. Maybe he's out by now.
What would be interesting to get is Aspen's expert testifying that it did not supply a mental health or drug abuse treatment program, that AEG is not covered by HIPPA because it does not provide any sort of treatment, and that it never promised to.

Ursus, are you interested in filing an FIA demand?

At the trial all parties agreed that Aspen Education group provided a licensed therapist for Matthew Pence during his stay at NorthStar.

The parties seem to agree that ...... one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.

No. All parties agree there was a licensed therapist at Northstar but that the "therapist" Pence SAW, "Trudy Godat," was unlicensed.

Plaintiffs complain that Matthew Pence was seen by an unlicensed therapist, Trudy Godat, when Matthew's depression significantly worsened, his personal psychiatrist was not contacted, an appointment with a different psychiatrist was scheduled at a future date, Matthew did not receive supervision and a safe environment, Matthew was instead allowed to roam the premises and gain access to the roof, offices and computers, Matthew's confessions were turned over to police, and Matthew was expelled, arrested and indicted.

Aspen's successful defense was that since it was not a treatment program for mental or drug abuse disorders, and never promised to conform to any medical standard for a treatment center, it was not liable.

Aspen was also successful in arguing that Hardess was not under the supervision of a licensed therapist, was not medical personnel, though "director" of Pences "treatment," and was thusly free to turn Pence’s confessions over to the police.

You’re purposely obtuse. Perhaps if you respected the seriousness of this issue, you wouldn't have killed your son.[/quote]

[Troll Control]

So then the couselor WAS under the guidance of the licensed therapist then.  Thanks for pointing that out, guest.  So the couselor who worked under the therapist was subject to HIPAA and this should be tried in court.

The lawyers must have lied in court when they said she wasn't.

Either way, whether licensed or not, Aspen declared in open court that theu do not provide treatment, but on the website it says it does and that all couselors are therapists.  Doesn't quite jive with the truth.

[Ursus]

I would strongly suggest that people follow the link and read for themselves. This was a request for summary judgment brought by both parties, and the court was unable to rule on the last three of five claims. These were:

III. Third Claim - Negligent Provision of Mental Health Tx
IV. Fourth Claim - Breach of Confidential Relationship
V. Fifth Claim - Punitive Damages

As soon as I posted this last night, Whooter began with a veritable barrage of obfuscating and misleading posts, quoting parts that were discussion material as if they were conclusion material, and ignoring the ruling on its face.

Presumably, this case continued to trial. However, I have been unable to find any mention of it. Does anyone know whether Aspen settled this out of court to prevent further exposure of the issues raised?

[Whooter]

No. All parties agree there was a licensed therapist at Northstar but that the "therapist" Pence SAW, "Trudy Godat," was unlicensed.

When in doubt its always good to go back to the court documents:

Court Records

2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat (Director of North Star) was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.

The court agrees with defendants (Aspen Education Group) that Harless's alleged disclosure of Matthew Pence's confessions to police was not an extreme transgression of the bounds of socially tolerable conduct. Matthew Pence's IIED claim therefore fails as a matter of law.

[Anonymous]

No. All parties agree there was a licensed therapist at Northstar but that the "therapist" Pence SAW, "Trudy Godat," was unlicensed.

When in doubt its always good to go back to the court documents:

Court Records

2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat (Director of North Star) was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.

The court agrees with defendants (Aspen Education Group) that Harless's alleged disclosure of Matthew Pence's confessions to police was not an extreme transgression of the bounds of socially tolerable conduct. Matthew Pence's IIED claim therefore fails as a matter of law.

Yes, a member of his "treatment team" (whatever that means) was a therapist..

 but Aspen is being sued over the FACT that Mathew received “therapy” from an unlicensed therapist.

People interested can read the link themselves and see the truth for themselves whatever your sad attempts at spin

[Ursus]

No. All parties agree there was a licensed therapist at Northstar but that the "therapist" Pence SAW, "Trudy Godat," was unlicensed.

When in doubt its always good to go back to the court documents:

Court Records

2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat (Director of North Star) was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.

The court agrees with defendants (Aspen Education Group) that Harless's alleged disclosure of Matthew Pence's confessions to police was not an extreme transgression of the bounds of socially tolerable conduct. Matthew Pence's IIED claim therefore fails as a matter of law.

Again, Whooter, you are quoting from text discussing one of the claims, and completely ignoring the fact that the court was unable to rule on three out of the five claims brought to the court's attention.

The revelation that one single member of Matthew Pence's treatment team happened to be a licensed therapist came from one of the footnotes.

[Whooter]

Yes, a member of his "treatment team" (whatever that means) was a therapist.

Well at least we have established that North Star provides licensed therapists and that they provide Treatment via a treatment team.  Now the next step is to see if Matthew Pence was being seen by one.

[Troll Control]

Yes, a member of his "treatment team" (whatever that means) was a therapist.

Well at least we have established that North Star provides licensed therapists and that they provide Treatment via a treatment team.  Now the next step is to see if Matthew Pence was being seen by one.

No, their defense was that they DON'T provide treatment.  And it was established that Matthew was seeing an unlicensed therapist at Aspen Educatoin Group's program.  Aspen lawyers used her lack of a license as a defense in their argument.  You might have missed that part.  aspen already used the defense that they never agreed to and never did provide treatment or therapy.  So this last poster (Whooter) is just a liar, plain and simple.

Whooter is obviously struggling with reading or his emotions or both, as he's very sloppy this week since Aspen killed any shred of credibility he might have had before.  We know it hurts to be shot down by someone you love, Whooter, but they have no use for you anymore.  They don't want your help.  the jig is up and they already admitted in court that everything you post here is lies.  Sorry you're hurt by this, but please take it out on Aspen and not Fornits.

[Anonymous]

Yes, a member of his "treatment team" (whatever that means) was a therapist.

Well at least we have established that North Star provides licensed therapists and that they provide Treatment via a treatment team.  Now the next step is to see if Matthew Pence was being seen by one.

Then Northstar would be a covered entity.  It sounds like a con was put before the court.  You're screwed any which way you flim-flam.

[Whooter]

Yes, a member of his "treatment team" (whatever that means) was a therapist.

Well at least we have established that North Star provides licensed therapists and that they provide Treatment via a treatment team.  Now the next step is to see if Matthew Pence was being seen by one.

Then Northstar would be a covered entity.  It sounds like a con was put before the court.  You're screwed any which way you flim-flam.

Well for now, what we know ,is that the Pence's are screwed and matthew is in jail.

[Troll Control]

Yes, a member of his "treatment team" (whatever that means) was a therapist.

Well at least we have established that North Star provides licensed therapists and that they provide Treatment via a treatment team.  Now the next step is to see if Matthew Pence was being seen by one.

Then Northstar would be a covered entity.  It sounds like a con was put before the court.  You're screwed any which way you flim-flam.

That's what I've been saying.  they either lied to the court or lie in their advertising.  If Metthew was treated by a licensed therapist, HIPAA applies and Aspen is fucked.  Plus they still have to deal with the rest of the claims.  If there is no licensed therapist, then they are practicing therapy without a license, which is a crime, and a serious one at that. Either way, they can't have it both ways.  They lied.